DIS: Re: BUS: Crime CFJ

2019-08-10 Thread Nich Evans

On 8/10/19 2:47 PM, Nich Evans wrote:

On 8/9/19 9:58 PM, Jason Cobb wrote:

[Please don't kill me for this one. I think this is a valid question.]

I CFJ: "The base value of the Crime of Endorsing Forgery is 2."

Evidence:

{

Excerpt from Rule 2202:

   Such ratification or announcement of intent to ratify is the Class-8
   Crime of Endorsing Forgery.

Excerpt from Rule 2557:

   - If the violation is described by the rules as a Class N crime,
   then N is the base value; otherwise the base value is 2.

}


Arguments:

{

Although Rule 2202 clearly intends to make the Crime of Endorsing 
Forgery have a base value of 8, I don't believe its language actually 
does so. The Rules do not describe the Crime of Endorsing Forgery as 
a "Class N crime" (where N is some number), they instead describe it 
as a "Class-8 Crime" (with the hyphen). I argue that this does not 
fit the pattern specified by Rule 2557, so the base value takes on 
its default of 2.


}

I don't think there's a lot of basis for this one. Punctuation marks 
are generally considered not important in the rules when they 
contradict common sense readings.


I'd also suggest not getting over-reliant on CFJs. They should be for 
*disagreements* about meaning, not clarity. Ask what people think first, 
and CFJ if people interpret it differently than you.


--
Nich Evans



DIS: Re: BUS: Crime CFJ

2019-08-10 Thread Nich Evans

On 8/9/19 9:58 PM, Jason Cobb wrote:

[Please don't kill me for this one. I think this is a valid question.]

I CFJ: "The base value of the Crime of Endorsing Forgery is 2."

Evidence:

{

Excerpt from Rule 2202:

   Such ratification or announcement of intent to ratify is the Class-8
   Crime of Endorsing Forgery.

Excerpt from Rule 2557:

   - If the violation is described by the rules as a Class N crime,
   then N is the base value; otherwise the base value is 2.

}


Arguments:

{

Although Rule 2202 clearly intends to make the Crime of Endorsing 
Forgery have a base value of 8, I don't believe its language actually 
does so. The Rules do not describe the Crime of Endorsing Forgery as a 
"Class N crime" (where N is some number), they instead describe it as 
a "Class-8 Crime" (with the hyphen). I argue that this does not fit 
the pattern specified by Rule 2557, so the base value takes on its 
default of 2.


}

I don't think there's a lot of basis for this one. Punctuation marks are 
generally considered not important in the rules when they contradict 
common sense readings.


--
Nich Evans