Re: DIS: CFJs 3502 , 3503 judged
NtTpF On Mon, 22 May 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: On May 20, 2017, at 3:47 PM, Alex Smith wrote: On Sat, 2017-05-20 at 07:04 +, Quazie wrote: I CFJ on the following Two Linked Statements: It is possible to create an agency such that its acronym contains at least one integer symbol (e.g. 0-9). It is possible to create an agency such that its acronym contains at least one non-english alphabetic character (芋, Ñ, Æ). These are CFJ 3502 and CFJ 3503 respectively. I assign them to o. Arguments: Agencies might be a limited resource of (26^3) possible existing agencies. From my reading of rule 2461, it seems like a number is likely not possible within an agency's Acronym, as numbers aren't words, but I wouldn't be surprised if non-english words would allow us to get to more than (26^3) agencies [More language bits!]. Parts of 2461: .. a) A title, which must be exactly three words, not counting conjunctions, articles or prepositions. .. An Agency, once created, SHOULD be referred to by the acronym formed from its title with conjunctions, articles, and prepositions removed. The acronym of an agency must be unique and any attempt to create or amend an Agency such that two Agencies would have the same acronym is INEFFECTIVE. .. I find the statement It is possible to create an agency such that its acronym contains at least one integer symbol (e.g. 0-9) TRUE. Rule 2467 sets out the vital attributes of an Agency. Most relevantly, its acronym: An Agency, once created, SHOULD be referred to by the acronym formed from its title with conjunctions, articles, and prepositions removed. and its title: a) A title, which must be exactly three words, not counting conjunctions, articles or prepositions. The term “word” is not restricted by the rules, and therefore has its common definition. Moreover, Agoran convention permits the use of numerals as words. See, for example, the identifier of this call for judgement. Therefore, an Agency may have a numeral in its title, which, being neither a conjunction, an article, or a preposition, would necessarily be used to form its acronym. It isn’t clear how a numeral should be compressed to form part of an acronym. It is conceivable that the first digit of a numeral should be used in place of the whole numeral, and this appears to be consistent with the rules regarding Agency names and acronyms. Therefore, it is possible for an Agency’s acronym to contain a digit - an integer symbol, as defined. I find the statement It is possible to create an agency such that its acronym contains at least one non-english alphabetic character (芋, Ñ, Æ). TRUE. Rule 2467 requires that the title of an Agency consist of exactly three words: a) A title, which must be exactly three words, not counting conjunctions, articles or prepositions. It does not require that those words be representable using any dialect of English. Russian words, for example, appear perfectly acceptable, and would be represented most accurately in the Cyrillic alphabet. Such a word would most obviously be abbreviated for the Agency’s acronym by taking its first character, which would be a non-english alphabetic character. It is therefore possible for the acronym of an Agency to contain at least one non-english alphabetic character. -o
Re: DIS: CFJs to still be assigned
On Fri, 28 Apr 2017, Quazie wrote: > Like i said - maybe a CFJ, just wanna make sure we have a thread on CFJs to > potentially > assign - there's just been a lot of activity lately and don't want anything > getting lost :) I think 3478 is the last one. Let me know if I missed any. There's still a batch from January outstanding. I may offer bounties on those.
Re: DIS: CFJs to still be assigned
Like i said - maybe a CFJ, just wanna make sure we have a thread on CFJs to potentially assign - there's just been a lot of activity lately and don't want anything getting lost :) On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 4:24 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On Fri, 28 Apr 2017, Quazie wrote: > > Just as a reminder: > > There is maybe a CFJ on me being a player, as called by me the person if > I'm not a player. > > You attempted to call the CFJ as follows: > > Assuming I am not a player: > > I CFJ on the statement "Quazie is a player." > > I took this as a conditional "If I am not a player, I CFJ on the > statement". > > Tradition is that we allow conditionals (in which case we have to wait for > the outcome of the other CFJ to know if you called one), or if the > conditional is indeterminate, to treat the statement as having failed. > > You could CFJ on whether you called a CFJ :). > > > >
Re: DIS: CFJs to still be assigned
On Fri, 28 Apr 2017, Quazie wrote: > Just as a reminder: > There is maybe a CFJ on me being a player, as called by me the person if I'm > not a player. You attempted to call the CFJ as follows: > Assuming I am not a player: > I CFJ on the statement "Quazie is a player." I took this as a conditional "If I am not a player, I CFJ on the statement". Tradition is that we allow conditionals (in which case we have to wait for the outcome of the other CFJ to know if you called one), or if the conditional is indeterminate, to treat the statement as having failed. You could CFJ on whether you called a CFJ :).
Re: DIS: CFJs to still be assigned
There's the CFJ that I'm barred from judging. 天火狐 On 28 April 2017 at 19:18, Quazie wrote: > Just as a reminder: > > There is maybe a CFJ on me being a player, as called by me the person if > I'm not a player. > > There is certainly a CFJ from Aris on the state of my budget switches, > assuming I'm a player. > > I think that's it? >
Re: DIS: CFJs
G. wrote: Murphy had an postgres SQL (I think postgres?) database that he maintained for many years. I have a snapshot, but for various technical reasons I can't host it. It has the majority of our history and was *very* nice. Postgres, yes. I can re-host it if someone sends it back to me, and add history if someone sends a batch of text file versions.
Re: DIS: CFJs
On Mon, 19 Sep 2016, Jonathan Rouillard wrote: > I also have a version of it from when I hosted the site, I can find it if > need be. =) > > ~ Roujo Actually come to think of it, I may have gotten the version I've got from you. :) I'll dig it out and make it available somewhere in case it inspires someone to get it going again.
Re: DIS: CFJs
I also have a version of it from when I hosted the site, I can find it if need be. =) ~ Roujo On Mon, Sep 19, 2016, 14:13 Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > Murphy had an postgres SQL (I think postgres?) database that he maintained > for > many years. I have a snapshot, but for various technical reasons I can't > host > it. It has the majority of our history and was *very* nice. > > On Sun, 18 Sep 2016, Nicholas Evans wrote: > > That seems like a logical short-term solution, though a database would > > be nicer. The main problem is that no one wants to take on more > > responsibility right now. > > > > On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 6:57 PM, Aris Merchant > > wrote: > > > Okay that's a big problem. We need one. In theory it could just be a > report, > > > but have we considered putting it on the wiki? > > > > > > -Aris > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, September 18, 2016, Nicholas Evans > wrote: > > >> > > >> There is, unfortunately, no current CFJ archive. The best places to > > >> look right now are the older archive, the Full Logical Ruleset, and > > >> the general mailing archives. > > >> > > >> On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 1:13 AM, Aris Merchant > > >> wrote: > > >> > Okay, I'm a bit confused about this. I think omd's CFJ archive > hasn't > > >> > been > > >> > updated recently? Is there one that has? Sorry if I'm just wrong > about > > >> > this. > > >> > > > >> > -Aris > > > >
Re: DIS: CFJs
Murphy had an postgres SQL (I think postgres?) database that he maintained for many years. I have a snapshot, but for various technical reasons I can't host it. It has the majority of our history and was *very* nice. On Sun, 18 Sep 2016, Nicholas Evans wrote: > That seems like a logical short-term solution, though a database would > be nicer. The main problem is that no one wants to take on more > responsibility right now. > > On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 6:57 PM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > > Okay that's a big problem. We need one. In theory it could just be a report, > > but have we considered putting it on the wiki? > > > > -Aris > > > > > > On Sunday, September 18, 2016, Nicholas Evans wrote: > >> > >> There is, unfortunately, no current CFJ archive. The best places to > >> look right now are the older archive, the Full Logical Ruleset, and > >> the general mailing archives. > >> > >> On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 1:13 AM, Aris Merchant > >> wrote: > >> > Okay, I'm a bit confused about this. I think omd's CFJ archive hasn't > >> > been > >> > updated recently? Is there one that has? Sorry if I'm just wrong about > >> > this. > >> > > >> > -Aris >
Re: DIS: CFJs
omd's site has the deep past (as deep as we can go) up until July 2014 (CFJ 3425) and incomplete records of a few from July 2015. Mine picks up with those incomplete records + the very small number that I assigned last week (due to inactivity, there were almost no cases in late 2015-2016, and those are on my site. So we're missing a small slice relative to our history (July 2014-July 2015, a total of 24 CFJs). Of course, searching the archives is not particularly easy unless you know exactly what you're looking for... On Sun, 18 Sep 2016, Nicholas Evans wrote: > There is, unfortunately, no current CFJ archive. The best places to > look right now are the older archive, the Full Logical Ruleset, and > the general mailing archives. > > On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 1:13 AM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > > Okay, I'm a bit confused about this. I think omd's CFJ archive hasn't been > > updated recently? Is there one that has? Sorry if I'm just wrong about this. > > > > -Aris >
Re: DIS: CFJs
The CFJs are as important as the ruleset. The game has three parts. The rules, their interpretation, and how they're actually used. These are the interpretations. My point is that we really need some sort of record for this. The email archive hardly counts. -Aris On Sunday, September 18, 2016, Nicholas Evans wrote: > That seems like a logical short-term solution, though a database would > be nicer. The main problem is that no one wants to take on more > responsibility right now. > > On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 6:57 PM, Aris Merchant > > wrote: > > Okay that's a big problem. We need one. In theory it could just be a > report, > > but have we considered putting it on the wiki? > > > > -Aris > > > > > > On Sunday, September 18, 2016, Nicholas Evans > wrote: > >> > >> There is, unfortunately, no current CFJ archive. The best places to > >> look right now are the older archive, the Full Logical Ruleset, and > >> the general mailing archives. > >> > >> On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 1:13 AM, Aris Merchant > >> > wrote: > >> > Okay, I'm a bit confused about this. I think omd's CFJ archive hasn't > >> > been > >> > updated recently? Is there one that has? Sorry if I'm just wrong about > >> > this. > >> > > >> > -Aris >
Re: DIS: CFJs
That seems like a logical short-term solution, though a database would be nicer. The main problem is that no one wants to take on more responsibility right now. On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 6:57 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > Okay that's a big problem. We need one. In theory it could just be a report, > but have we considered putting it on the wiki? > > -Aris > > > On Sunday, September 18, 2016, Nicholas Evans wrote: >> >> There is, unfortunately, no current CFJ archive. The best places to >> look right now are the older archive, the Full Logical Ruleset, and >> the general mailing archives. >> >> On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 1:13 AM, Aris Merchant >> wrote: >> > Okay, I'm a bit confused about this. I think omd's CFJ archive hasn't >> > been >> > updated recently? Is there one that has? Sorry if I'm just wrong about >> > this. >> > >> > -Aris
Re: DIS: CFJs
Okay that's a big problem. We need one. In theory it could just be a report, but have we considered putting it on the wiki? -Aris On Sunday, September 18, 2016, Nicholas Evans wrote: > There is, unfortunately, no current CFJ archive. The best places to > look right now are the older archive, the Full Logical Ruleset, and > the general mailing archives. > > On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 1:13 AM, Aris Merchant > > wrote: > > Okay, I'm a bit confused about this. I think omd's CFJ archive hasn't > been > > updated recently? Is there one that has? Sorry if I'm just wrong about > this. > > > > -Aris >
Re: DIS: CFJs
There is, unfortunately, no current CFJ archive. The best places to look right now are the older archive, the Full Logical Ruleset, and the general mailing archives. On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 1:13 AM, Aris Merchant wrote: > Okay, I'm a bit confused about this. I think omd's CFJ archive hasn't been > updated recently? Is there one that has? Sorry if I'm just wrong about this. > > -Aris
Re: DIS: CFJs
Peekee wrote: >Where is the archive of CFJs? http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/ This is linked from Agora's official web page, as well as all official publications of CFJ data. However, it's been intermittently offline in recent months. -zefram
