Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (Mis)Applying My Linguistics Skills

2014-02-16 Thread Fool
On 2014-02-14 6:43 PM, Nicholas Evans wrote: So unless Lilly is hooked up to a machine that can then rephrase and recursively refer to Lilly's thoughts, these new restrictions should be sufficient. Otherwise, I see no reason that a dog-machine combination shouldn't be allowed to play, though I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (Mis)Applying My Linguistics Skills

2014-02-14 Thread Nicholas Evans
On 2/12/2014 12:46 PM, omd wrote: On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 9:42 AM, Nich Del Evans nich...@gmail.com wrote: I also agree that they can imitate recursion to an even more limited extent. Well, if a computer program can manage to parse a deeply nested sentence, I expect it could proceed to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (Mis)Applying My Linguistics Skills

2014-02-14 Thread omd
On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 6:43 PM, Nicholas Evans nich...@gmail.com wrote: Otherwise, I see no reason that a dog-machine combination shouldn't be allowed to play, though I doubt they would do much. We really need a quote book... :)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (Mis)Applying My Linguistics Skills

2014-02-12 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014, omd wrote: I'm somewhat skeptical of the word organism. If it has to be biological, then just say human, there's no guarantee hypothetical space aliens or AIs would be considered organisms anyway. :) [snip] /me wonders whether speculating about Tines is too silly for the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (Mis)Applying My Linguistics Skills

2014-02-12 Thread Nich Del Evans
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 12:37 AM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 1:00 AM, Nicholas Evans nich...@gmail.com wrote: [An attempt at very simply tightening the restraints against attempting to register things that cannot utilize language to communicate their own ideas.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (Mis)Applying My Linguistics Skills

2014-02-12 Thread Nicholas Evans
On 2/12/2014 8:24 AM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: On Wed, 12 Feb 2014, omd wrote: I'm somewhat skeptical of the word organism. If it has to be biological, then just say human, there's no guarantee hypothetical space aliens or AIs would be considered organisms anyway. :) [snip] /me wonders

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (Mis)Applying My Linguistics Skills

2014-02-12 Thread omd
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 9:42 AM, Nich Del Evans nich...@gmail.com wrote: I also agree that they can imitate recursion to an even more limited extent. Well, if a computer program can manage to parse a deeply nested sentence, I expect it could proceed to manipulate it with far more ease than a