[Pkg-games-ubuntu] [Bug 1714787] Re: Launching chocolate-doom or prboom-plus crashes Wayland session

2017-11-27 Thread Jon Dowland
Can you try either prboom or chocolate-doom with the '-nofullscreen'
command-line option? My hunch is the problem is related to trying to
change the display resolution whilst entering fullscreen mode.

It's likely actually an SDL1 bug. In Chocolate Doom's case, we are
moving to SDL2 with the next release (v3) which we consider to be the
proper way to address bugs like these, although I don't think prboom has
any plans to change.

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Title:
  Launching chocolate-doom or prboom-plus crashes Wayland session

Status in chocolate-doom package in Ubuntu:
  New
Status in mutter package in Ubuntu:
  New
Status in prboom-plus package in Ubuntu:
  New

Bug description:
  When trying to launch Doom (both chocolate-doom and prboom-plus), the
  Wayland session will crash.

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 17.10
  Package: mutter 3.25.91+20170902~ce515c5-1ubuntu1
  Uname: Linux 4.13.0-041300rc7-generic x86_64
  ApportVersion: 2.20.7-0ubuntu1
  Architecture: amd64
  CurrentDesktop: ubuntu:GNOME
  Date: Sun Sep  3 10:37:38 2017
  InstallationDate: Installed on 2017-09-02 (0 days ago)
  InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 17.10 "Artful Aardvark" - Alpha amd64 (20170829)
  ProcEnviron:
   TERM=xterm-256color
   PATH=(custom, no user)
   XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=
   LANG=en_US.UTF-8
   SHELL=/bin/bash
  SourcePackage: mutter
  UpgradeStatus: No upgrade log present (probably fresh install)
  --- 
  ApportVersion: 2.20.7-0ubuntu1
  Architecture: amd64
  CurrentDesktop: ubuntu:GNOME
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 17.10
  InstallationDate: Installed on 2017-09-03 (0 days ago)
  InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 17.10 "Artful Aardvark" - Alpha amd64 (20170829)
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia_uvm nvidia_drm nvidia_modeset nvidia
  Package: mutter 3.25.91+20170902~ce515c5-1ubuntu1
  PackageArchitecture: amd64
  ProcEnviron:
   TERM=xterm-256color
   PATH=(custom, no user)
   XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=
   LANG=en_US.UTF-8
   SHELL=/bin/bash
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 4.12.0-12.13-generic 4.12.8
  Tags:  artful wayland-session
  Uname: Linux 4.12.0-12-generic x86_64
  UpgradeStatus: No upgrade log present (probably fresh install)
  UserGroups: adm cdrom dip lpadmin plugdev sambashare sudo
  _MarkForUpload: True

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[Bug 1714787] Re: Launching chocolate-doom or prboom-plus crashes Wayland session

2017-11-27 Thread Jon Dowland
Can you try either prboom or chocolate-doom with the '-nofullscreen'
command-line option? My hunch is the problem is related to trying to
change the display resolution whilst entering fullscreen mode.

It's likely actually an SDL1 bug. In Chocolate Doom's case, we are
moving to SDL2 with the next release (v3) which we consider to be the
proper way to address bugs like these, although I don't think prboom has
any plans to change.

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[Bug 1714787] Re: Launching chocolate-doom or prboom-plus crashes Wayland session

2017-11-27 Thread Jon Dowland
Can you try either prboom or chocolate-doom with the '-nofullscreen'
command-line option? My hunch is the problem is related to trying to
change the display resolution whilst entering fullscreen mode.

It's likely actually an SDL1 bug. In Chocolate Doom's case, we are
moving to SDL2 with the next release (v3) which we consider to be the
proper way to address bugs like these, although I don't think prboom has
any plans to change.

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[Bug 1731680] Re: quake3 demo shows 8-10 fps only

2017-11-13 Thread Jon Dowland
Hi, thanks for the report. This is likely a local configuration with
your quake3 engine of choice (ioquake3) and not an issue with your data
package nor with game-data-packager. It would be helpful for further
diagnosis if you could report whether you get a different framerate with
different data, or what framerate you are expecting: I'm guessing you
are suggesting that 8-10fps is too slow for your machine, but you
haven't made that clear.

** Changed in: game-data-packager (Ubuntu)
   Status: New => Invalid

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[Pkg-games-ubuntu] [Bug 1731680] Re: quake3 demo shows 8-10 fps only

2017-11-13 Thread Jon Dowland
Hi, thanks for the report. This is likely a local configuration with
your quake3 engine of choice (ioquake3) and not an issue with your data
package nor with game-data-packager. It would be helpful for further
diagnosis if you could report whether you get a different framerate with
different data, or what framerate you are expecting: I'm guessing you
are suggesting that 8-10fps is too slow for your machine, but you
haven't made that clear.

** Changed in: game-data-packager (Ubuntu)
   Status: New => Invalid

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Title:
  quake3 demo shows 8-10 fps only

Status in game-data-packager package in Ubuntu:
  Invalid
Status in ioquake3 package in Ubuntu:
  New
Status in quake3 package in Ubuntu:
  New

Bug description:
  I made the data package by "game-data-packager --install quake3 --demo".
  Then I installed it by "dpkg -i".
  That's all what I know.
  Strace and outputs are attached.

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 17.10
  Package: quake3 53
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 4.13.0-16.19-generic 4.13.4
  Uname: Linux 4.13.0-16-generic x86_64
  ApportVersion: 2.20.7-0ubuntu3.1
  Architecture: amd64
  CurrentDesktop: LXDE
  Date: Sat Nov 11 23:01:17 2017
  InstallationDate: Installed on 2017-10-06 (36 days ago)
  InstallationMedia: Lubuntu 17.10 "Artful Aardvark" - Alpha amd64 (20170926)
  PackageArchitecture: all
  SourcePackage: game-data-packager
  UpgradeStatus: No upgrade log present (probably fresh install)

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Bug#760553: debian-installer: changing from guided to manual with LVM results in corrupt LVM metadata

2014-09-05 Thread Jon Dowland
Package: debian-installer
Version: debian-7.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso
Severity: important

hi,

I've set Version: to the ISO I used for install as I'm not sure what version of
d-i that correlates to, nor whether this is a bug fixed since.

I recently performed an install and opted for guided - use LVM initially. When
presented with the results, I was not satisfied (I didn't want the entire
device filled up with a root LV - see also #651280) so I went back to manual and
started over: I deleted each LV and the partition housing the PV, then created a
new (smaller) partition for the LV and re-created the LVs.

The GPT partition table I ended up with is as follows

 Model: ATA ST1000LM024 HN-M (scsi)
 Disk /dev/sdb: 1000GB
 Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/4096B
 Partition Table: gpt
 Disk Flags: 
 
 Number  Start   End SizeFile system  Name  Flags
  1  1049kB  512MB   511MB   fat32EFI System Partition  boot, esp
  2  512MB   768MB   256MB   ext2   msftdata
  3  768MB   10.8GB  10.0GB lvm
  4  10.8GB  10.9GB  132MB   fat16FREEDOS   msftdata

Note that I created partition #4 via parted post-installation (an
experiment which failed: UEFI-boot for BIOS flashing is a no-go).

However, I have just noticed that the LVM volume has corrupt metadata:

 # vgs
   VG  #PV #LV #SN Attr   VSize   VFree  
   qusp_vg   1   2   0 wz--n- 930.80g 921.49g
 # pvs
   PVVG  Fmt  Attr PSize   PFree  
   /dev/sdb3 qusp_vg lvm2 a--  930.80g 921.49g

Note that the above shows that it thinks the PV is approx 1T in size,
but as parted shows, it's only ~10G.

I was just about to create a new LV but if I had done so, I believe it would
have started to overwrite partition #4 above and resulted in corruption.

'pvscan' didn't cure the issue, but 'pvresize' seems to have got things
to where they should be

 # pvresize /dev/sdb3
  Physical volume /dev/sdb3 changed
  1 physical volume(s) resized / 0 physical volume(s) not resized

I think the problem appears to be within d-i/partman and handling of deleting 
PVs
or deleting partitions upon which PVs are stored.


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Bug#760553: debian-installer: changing from guided to manual with LVM results in corrupt LVM metadata

2014-09-05 Thread Jon Dowland
Package: debian-installer
Version: debian-7.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso
Severity: important

hi,

I've set Version: to the ISO I used for install as I'm not sure what version of
d-i that correlates to, nor whether this is a bug fixed since.

I recently performed an install and opted for guided - use LVM initially. When
presented with the results, I was not satisfied (I didn't want the entire
device filled up with a root LV - see also #651280) so I went back to manual and
started over: I deleted each LV and the partition housing the PV, then created a
new (smaller) partition for the LV and re-created the LVs.

The GPT partition table I ended up with is as follows

 Model: ATA ST1000LM024 HN-M (scsi)
 Disk /dev/sdb: 1000GB
 Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/4096B
 Partition Table: gpt
 Disk Flags: 
 
 Number  Start   End SizeFile system  Name  Flags
  1  1049kB  512MB   511MB   fat32EFI System Partition  boot, esp
  2  512MB   768MB   256MB   ext2   msftdata
  3  768MB   10.8GB  10.0GB lvm
  4  10.8GB  10.9GB  132MB   fat16FREEDOS   msftdata

Note that I created partition #4 via parted post-installation (an
experiment which failed: UEFI-boot for BIOS flashing is a no-go).

However, I have just noticed that the LVM volume has corrupt metadata:

 # vgs
   VG  #PV #LV #SN Attr   VSize   VFree  
   qusp_vg   1   2   0 wz--n- 930.80g 921.49g
 # pvs
   PVVG  Fmt  Attr PSize   PFree  
   /dev/sdb3 qusp_vg lvm2 a--  930.80g 921.49g

Note that the above shows that it thinks the PV is approx 1T in size,
but as parted shows, it's only ~10G.

I was just about to create a new LV but if I had done so, I believe it would
have started to overwrite partition #4 above and resulted in corruption.

'pvscan' didn't cure the issue, but 'pvresize' seems to have got things
to where they should be

 # pvresize /dev/sdb3
  Physical volume /dev/sdb3 changed
  1 physical volume(s) resized / 0 physical volume(s) not resized

I think the problem appears to be within d-i/partman and handling of deleting 
PVs
or deleting partitions upon which PVs are stored.


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Bug#760452: libnss-myhostname: broken homepage field in control file

2014-09-04 Thread Jon Dowland
Source: libnss-myhostname
Version: 0.3-9
Severity: minor

The control file lists

Homepage: http://0pointer.de/lennart/projects/nss-myhostname/

but that URL no longer exists (404).

I guess that's because it has moved to be a sub-component of systemd,
http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/nss-myhostname.html


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Bug#754852: nfs-utils: contains amd64 binaries (.o, .a, etc.)

2014-07-14 Thread Jon Dowland
Source: nfs-utils
Version: 1:1.2.8-6
Severity: normal

Hi folks,

 $ pwd
 /home/jon/tmp/nfs-utils-1.2.8
 $ find . -name '*.o' -o -name '*.a' | wc -l
 113

This is inherited from upstream's tarball and doesn't appear to be
replicated in your git repository (that is: you've imported upstream's
source from their repository and that doesn't have the object files
committed: but you've uploaded their prepared orig tarball which does).

-- System Information:
Debian Release: 7.5
  APT prefers stable
  APT policy: (700, 'stable'), (600, 'unstable')
Architecture: i386 (i686)

Kernel: Linux 3.9.2-x86-linode51 (SMP w/8 CPU cores)
Locale: LANG=en_US.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash

Versions of packages nfs-common depends on:
ii  adduser 3.113+nmu3
ii  initscripts 2.88dsf-41+deb7u1
ii  libc6   2.13-38+deb7u1
ii  libcap2 1:2.22-1.2
ii  libcomerr2  1.42.5-1.1
ii  libdevmapper1.02.1  2:1.02.74-8
ii  libevent-2.0-5  2.0.19-stable-3
ii  libgssglue1 0.4-2
ii  libk5crypto31.10.1+dfsg-5+deb7u1
ii  libkeyutils11.5.5-3
ii  libkrb5-3   1.10.1+dfsg-5+deb7u1
ii  libmount1   2.20.1-5.3
ii  libnfsidmap20.25-4
ii  libtirpc1   0.2.2-5
ii  libwrap07.6.q-24
ii  lsb-base4.1+Debian8+deb7u1
ii  rpcbind 0.2.0-8
ii  ucf 3.0025+nmu3

Versions of packages nfs-common recommends:
ii  python  2.7.3-4+deb7u1

Versions of packages nfs-common suggests:
pn  open-iscsi  none
pn  watchdognone


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[Bug 1341766] [NEW] nfs-utils source package in Trusty contains compiled objects

2014-07-14 Thread Jon Dowland
Public bug reported:

$ tar tf nfs-utils_1.2.8.orig.tar.bz2|grep '\.o$'|wc -l
 109

also .a, .deps and .libs dirs, etc.

** Affects: nfs-utils (Ubuntu)
 Importance: Undecided
 Status: New

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Bug#754852: nfs-utils: contains amd64 binaries (.o, .a, etc.)

2014-07-14 Thread Jon Dowland
Source: nfs-utils
Version: 1:1.2.8-6
Severity: normal

Hi folks,

 $ pwd
 /home/jon/tmp/nfs-utils-1.2.8
 $ find . -name '*.o' -o -name '*.a' | wc -l
 113

This is inherited from upstream's tarball and doesn't appear to be
replicated in your git repository (that is: you've imported upstream's
source from their repository and that doesn't have the object files
committed: but you've uploaded their prepared orig tarball which does).

-- System Information:
Debian Release: 7.5
  APT prefers stable
  APT policy: (700, 'stable'), (600, 'unstable')
Architecture: i386 (i686)

Kernel: Linux 3.9.2-x86-linode51 (SMP w/8 CPU cores)
Locale: LANG=en_US.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash

Versions of packages nfs-common depends on:
ii  adduser 3.113+nmu3
ii  initscripts 2.88dsf-41+deb7u1
ii  libc6   2.13-38+deb7u1
ii  libcap2 1:2.22-1.2
ii  libcomerr2  1.42.5-1.1
ii  libdevmapper1.02.1  2:1.02.74-8
ii  libevent-2.0-5  2.0.19-stable-3
ii  libgssglue1 0.4-2
ii  libk5crypto31.10.1+dfsg-5+deb7u1
ii  libkeyutils11.5.5-3
ii  libkrb5-3   1.10.1+dfsg-5+deb7u1
ii  libmount1   2.20.1-5.3
ii  libnfsidmap20.25-4
ii  libtirpc1   0.2.2-5
ii  libwrap07.6.q-24
ii  lsb-base4.1+Debian8+deb7u1
ii  rpcbind 0.2.0-8
ii  ucf 3.0025+nmu3

Versions of packages nfs-common recommends:
ii  python  2.7.3-4+deb7u1

Versions of packages nfs-common suggests:
pn  open-iscsi  none
pn  watchdognone


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Bug#736327: progress so far

2014-02-01 Thread Jon Dowland
Here's my work-in-progress patch FYI.

Since I think the cleanest method is for some changes in python's
mailbox library, I'm discussing that too:

http://bugs.python.org/issue20328 
   

--- /usr/bin/archivemail	2011-07-10 14:57:42.0 +0100
+++ bin/archivemail	2014-01-29 21:00:32.0 +
@@ -180,6 +180,7 @@
 archive_name = None
 days_old_max = 180
 date_old_max = None
+delete_empty = False
 delete_old_mail  = False
 dry_run  = False
 filter_append= None
@@ -216,13 +217,13 @@
 
 try:
 opts, args = getopt.getopt(args, '?D:S:Vd:hno:F:P:qs:p:a:uv',
- [date=, days=, delete, dry-run, help,
- include-flagged, no-compress, output-dir=,
- filter-append=, pwfile=, dont-mangle,
- preserve-unread, quiet, size=, suffix=,
- prefix=, archive-name=, verbose,
- debug-imap=, version, warn-duplicate,
- copy, all])
+			 [date=, days=, delete, delete-empty,
+			 dry-run, help, include-flagged,
+			 no-compress, output-dir=, filter-append=,
+			 pwfile=, dont-mangle, preserve-unread,
+			 quiet, size=, suffix=, prefix=,
+			 archive-name=, verbose, debug-imap=,
+			 version, warn-duplicate, copy, all])
 except getopt.error, msg:
 user_error(msg)
 
@@ -233,6 +234,8 @@
 if self.copy_old_mail: 
 user_error(found conflicting options --copy and --delete)
 self.delete_old_mail = True
+if o == '--delete-empty':
+self.delete_empty = True
 if o == '--include-flagged':
 self.include_flagged = True
 if o == '--no-compress':
@@ -1219,6 +1222,13 @@
 retain.close()
 vprint(no changes to mbox '%s' %  original.mbox_file_name)
 retain.remove()
+
+# XXX: jmtd: remove old/empty Maildirs
+if options.delete_empty and len(original) == 0:
+original.remove()
+else:
+  pass # can't delete; not empty. complain! XXX
+
 original.unlock()
 original.close()
 original.reset_timestamps() # Minor race here; mutt has this too.
@@ -1226,6 +1236,37 @@
 stats.display()
 
 
+# XXX: eventually class method / monkey patch
+def monkeypatch_method(cls):
+ def decorator(func):
+   setattr(cls, func.__name__, func)
+   return func
+ return decorator
+
+@monkeypatch_method(mailbox.Maildir)
+def remove(self): # XXX: handle known cache/index files
+  for d in ['tmp','new','cur']:
+os.rmdir(os.path.join(self._path,d))
+  if os.path.isfile(os.path.join(self._path,'dovecot.index.cache')):
+os.remove(dovecot.index.cache)
+  os.rmdir(self._path)
+
+@monkeypatch_method(mailbox.MHMailbox)
+def remove(self):
+  pass
+
+# this should _not_ be necessary
+@monkeypatch_method(mailbox.MHMailbox)
+def lock(self):
+  pass
+@monkeypatch_method(mailbox.MHMailbox)
+def unlock(self):
+  pass
+
+@monkeypatch_method(mailbox.mbox)
+def remove(self):
+  os.remove(self._path)
+
 def _archive_dir(mailbox_name, type):
 Archive a 'maildir' or 'MH' style mailbox - used by archive_mailbox()
 assert mailbox_name
@@ -1277,6 +1318,14 @@
 try: os.remove(file_name)
 except OSError, e:
 if e.errno != errno.ENOENT: raise
+# XXX: jmtd: remove old/empty Maildirs
+if options.delete_empty and maildir == type:
+  original.lock()
+  if len(original) + len(original.list_folders()) == 0:
+original.remove()
+  else:
+pass # can't delete; not empty. complain! XXX
+  original.unlock()
 if not options.quiet:
 stats.display()
 
@@ -1409,6 +1458,7 @@
 '+FLAGS.SILENT', '\\Deleted')
 if result != 'OK': unexpected_error(Error while deleting 
 messages; server says '%s' % response[0])
+# XXX: jmtd: delete empty mailboxes/folders
 vprint(Closing mailbox.)
 imap_srv.close()
 if not options.quiet:


Bug#736327: archivemail: feature request: delete empty mailbox after archiving

2014-01-22 Thread Jon Dowland
Package: archivemail
Version: 0.9.0-1
Severity: wishlist

A nice feature would be to delete mailboxes from which you are archiving if,
after archiving, there's no mail left in the source mailbox.

I had a browse around the archivemail source and I guess the nicest way to
achieve this would be if the 'mailbox' python library had support for this,
say a method 'remove()' for a mailbox object.

I tried a preliminary monkey-patch that added such methods to the Maildir and
mbox sub-classes, but I haven't done all the other myriad esoteric mailbox
types, and if there's any hope of the python standard library accepting such a
patch it would have to be for the whole lot.  (as an aside, the semantics of
deleting Maildir mailboxes are pretty bad too. However they've already crossed
that bridge since mailbox.Maildir has remove_folder for sub-Maildirs)


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Debian Release: 7.3
  APT prefers stable
  APT policy: (700, 'stable'), (600, 'unstable')
Architecture: i386 (i686)

Kernel: Linux 3.9.2-x86-linode51 (SMP w/8 CPU cores)
Locale: LANG=en_US.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash

Versions of packages archivemail depends on:
ii  python 2.7.3-4+deb7u1
ii  python2.6  2.6.8-1.1
ii  python2.7  2.7.3-6

archivemail recommends no packages.

archivemail suggests no packages.

-- no debconf information

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[Bug 1174635] [NEW] gnome-shell Power Off menu item confusing, incongruous with GDMs

2013-04-30 Thread Jon Dowland
Public bug reported:

Hi,

gdm 3.6.1-0ubuntu4
gnome-shell 3.6.3.1-0ubuntu6

When logged into GNOME 3, the right-hand menu has an item Power Off at
the bottom. Clicking it brings up a context menu which gives you the
option of logging out or suspending as well. This is confusing as the
menu item does not end with an ellipsis, which is the traditional way of
indicating that a menu item leads to further options (e.g. Power Off…)

When you are not logged in and are instead facing the GDM login screen,
you have the same menu (albeit with a power off icon instead of the
logged in user's name). However this time Power Off does just that
with no prompts.

I think the logged-in version should be qualified with an ellipsis to
indicate that it offers further choices. This would draw a distinction
between the different behaviours the item has when logged in or not.

** Affects: gnome-shell (Ubuntu)
 Importance: Undecided
 Status: New

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Bug#705165: geary: can't configure geary

2013-04-24 Thread Jon Dowland
Hi Martin,

On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 08:52:54PM +0200, Martin Dosch wrote:
 Opening it in a terminal gave me no helpful informations:
 
  $ geary

Try 

   $ geary -d --log-network

And see if that sheds any more light. My best guess is it will be
an SSL certificate issue.


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Bug#700620: [Openstack-devel] Bug#700620: Bug#700620: Bug#700620: Rewriting the .ini parsing bit of openstack-pkg-tools

2013-04-18 Thread Jon Dowland
Hi,

I saw this bug and I got a bit concerned. I'm a likely user of the
openstack packages in Debian — well I/we could be, if they fit our
needs — but I'm really worried that they are going to be vastly
over-engineered. In a way it reminds me of the exim4 packages: the
situation is not entirely analogous, since exim4 is installed for
all Debian users, and the debconf harness does a good job of
simplifying the complex job of configuring exim4 for the complete
novice. But as soon as you want to actually deploy a real mailserver,
the debconf stuff gets in the way, so much so that everyone I know
who runs exim4 as a mailserver on Debian quickly overrides the
debconf stuff altogether.

I don't want to see the same situation in Debian. Let's not fall
into the trap of thinking that the openstack packages need to be
simplified for the complete novice. The complete novice will not
be deploying a cloud infrastructure. There's no point in writing
large, complex postinst scripts, debconf configuration etc. to try
and avoid the sysadmin from editing a text file, if they are
inevitably going to have to edit the text file anyway. History has
shown that you just introduce an order of magnitude of complexity,
a load of expertise needed to properly drive openstack in Debian
which will not be transferrable or useful to any other context, and
things which will get in the way for people who are used to
openstack elsewhere and are caught out by Debian-specific hand
holding. And so either people will have to work around your harness,
or use 3rd party openstack packages, or (worse) avoid Debian as a
serious platform for this stuff altogether.

I really think Julien is right re the debconf sequencing stuff you
seem to be worried about. As a user, if I'm installing openstack by
hand, then I have no problem if the debconf questions come in two
lumps. It's quite likely some of your dependencies will force this
situation anyway, outside of your control. If I've mastered deployment
and I'm rolling out more openstack nodes, I will definitely be using
debconf preseeding or post-facto fixups via puppet, there's no way
I'd do any more than the first one (as a learning experience) by
hand and surely anyone else who is looking at deploying a cloud
infrastructure would do the same?


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Bug#700620: [Openstack-devel] Bug#700620: Bug#700620: Bug#700620: Rewriting the .ini parsing bit of openstack-pkg-tools

2013-04-18 Thread Jon Dowland
Hi,

I saw this bug and I got a bit concerned. I'm a likely user of the
openstack packages in Debian — well I/we could be, if they fit our
needs — but I'm really worried that they are going to be vastly
over-engineered. In a way it reminds me of the exim4 packages: the
situation is not entirely analogous, since exim4 is installed for
all Debian users, and the debconf harness does a good job of
simplifying the complex job of configuring exim4 for the complete
novice. But as soon as you want to actually deploy a real mailserver,
the debconf stuff gets in the way, so much so that everyone I know
who runs exim4 as a mailserver on Debian quickly overrides the
debconf stuff altogether.

I don't want to see the same situation in Debian. Let's not fall
into the trap of thinking that the openstack packages need to be
simplified for the complete novice. The complete novice will not
be deploying a cloud infrastructure. There's no point in writing
large, complex postinst scripts, debconf configuration etc. to try
and avoid the sysadmin from editing a text file, if they are
inevitably going to have to edit the text file anyway. History has
shown that you just introduce an order of magnitude of complexity,
a load of expertise needed to properly drive openstack in Debian
which will not be transferrable or useful to any other context, and
things which will get in the way for people who are used to
openstack elsewhere and are caught out by Debian-specific hand
holding. And so either people will have to work around your harness,
or use 3rd party openstack packages, or (worse) avoid Debian as a
serious platform for this stuff altogether.

I really think Julien is right re the debconf sequencing stuff you
seem to be worried about. As a user, if I'm installing openstack by
hand, then I have no problem if the debconf questions come in two
lumps. It's quite likely some of your dependencies will force this
situation anyway, outside of your control. If I've mastered deployment
and I'm rolling out more openstack nodes, I will definitely be using
debconf preseeding or post-facto fixups via puppet, there's no way
I'd do any more than the first one (as a learning experience) by
hand and surely anyone else who is looking at deploying a cloud
infrastructure would do the same?


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r14001 - packages/trunk/ode/debian

2013-04-17 Thread Jon Dowland
Author: jmtd
Date: 2013-04-17 08:59:26 + (Wed, 17 Apr 2013)
New Revision: 14001

Modified:
   packages/trunk/ode/debian/changelog
   packages/trunk/ode/debian/control
Log:
Update Vcs-Browser field in control file. Closes: #705591.

Modified: packages/trunk/ode/debian/changelog
===
--- packages/trunk/ode/debian/changelog 2013-04-13 14:01:20 UTC (rev 14000)
+++ packages/trunk/ode/debian/changelog 2013-04-17 08:59:26 UTC (rev 14001)
@@ -1,3 +1,10 @@
+ode (2:0.11.1-5) UNRELEASED; urgency=low
+
+  * Team upload.
+  * Update Vcs-Browser field in control file. Closes: #705591.
+
+ -- Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org  Wed, 17 Apr 2013 09:50:52 +0100
+
 ode (2:0.11.1-4) unstable; urgency=low
 
   * Team upload.

Modified: packages/trunk/ode/debian/control
===
--- packages/trunk/ode/debian/control   2013-04-13 14:01:20 UTC (rev 14000)
+++ packages/trunk/ode/debian/control   2013-04-17 08:59:26 UTC (rev 14001)
@@ -7,7 +7,7 @@
  libglu1-mesa-dev | libglu-dev, libgl1-mesa-dev | libgl-dev
 Standards-Version: 3.8.2
 Vcs-Svn: svn://svn.debian.org/svn/pkg-games/packages/trunk/ode/
-Vcs-Browser: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-games/packages/trunk/ode/?op=log
+Vcs-Browser: http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-games/packages/trunk/ode/
 Homepage: http://www.ode.org/
 
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[Bug 1077531] Re: debhelper lacks example rules files

2013-04-12 Thread Jon Dowland
Those files were removed on purpose in 2011-04-01 (here's the commit:
http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=debhelper/debhelper.git;a=commitdiff;h=54fbbed4eb8bf4086e12f4c22204ab75729a4f65)

I think the reason is that the old, long-form way of writing rules files
is deprecated, at least from the debhelper maintainer's POV.

You are best to start with the tiny file and override what stages you
need to for your particular package. Here's a short example of such a
rules file, with two or three targets overidden:
http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-
games/freedoom.git;a=blob;f=debian/rules;h=78c4b4271775f6c59f232bc85670f1fb806ec498;hb=HEAD

Check the dh(1) manpage, section OVERRIDE TARGETS to learn more about
how it works.

** Changed in: debhelper (Ubuntu)
   Status: New = Invalid

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Bug#696727: cheese does not start with Gtk-Warning

2013-03-27 Thread Jon Dowland
severity 696727 grave
thanks

On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 03:36:44PM +0100, Giovanni74 wrote:
 cheese does not start at all.
 Here is the terminal output:

Wow.

I've just reproduced this. I'm mildly incredulous. Are we just unlucky? This
makes the package entirely unusable for me. Can anyone use it? I'm going to
take a chance and assume that my experience is the typical one, and thus the
package is unusable or mostly so as it stands.

I might try poking around at the source tonight but I know nothing about vala
so I don't know if I'll get anywhere.

Thanks


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Re: Rooting an Android Tablet on Debian

2013-03-11 Thread Jon Dowland
Hi, not answering your specific question, but

On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 02:57:18PM -0400, Charles Kroeger wrote:
 I got a Kobo Arc that runs Android 4.0.4 and would like to become su for this
 device
snip
 I use Calibre with the Arc for moving books around but Calibre is useless
 with the Adobe DRM menace and most of my books require this.

Are you only interested in rooting it in order to solve the second problem? In
which case I can't see *how* it solves the second problem. I guess you need to
strip the Adobe DRM, which if possible, could be done from a desktop machine,
after which your ebook reader on a non-rooted device would be fine.


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Re: packaging with git: automatic setup of remotes/upstream when cloning

2013-03-06 Thread Jon Dowland
I (used to) document the upstream branch location in debian/README.source.


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Re: multi-tarball packages in version control

2013-03-06 Thread Jon Dowland
On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 09:57:16AM +0100, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
 The only problem is that svn-buildpackage does not support this. Or
 rather: it should have, but a long standing bug (with a partial fix
 attached to it, to which the maintainer did not comment. But since
 uploaded one or two versions).

I recently tried the most recent patch from #585658 when looking at 'love',
another multi-source package, but it did not resolve the build failure for
me. In that situation, I gave up, used dpkg-source to extract/merge the
upstream tarballs, manually checked out ./debian, used debuild -i.svn
-I.svn and avoided svn-buildpackage altogether. But that was for one patch
on a package I don't regularly maintain, so I guess that doesn't scale.
(I should probably update the bug.)

If the patch is working for you, great! Sadly it's not comprehensive enough
to work in all situations yet.


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Re: Cost of packages in disk space?

2013-02-26 Thread Jon Dowland
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 11:47:22AM -0600, green wrote:
 So, imagine that I have a full filesystem and want to fix it by
 removing a single package.  I would need to get a list of manually
 installed packages, and go through each one of them individually,
 proposing a removal and saving aptitude's freed space result.  A week
 later, I might have a list of freed space values to sort.

Yes, unless you pre-sort the list of packages that you investigate to maximize
the chance of solving your issue with the least removals. Some local knowledge
would make this most efficient, say you run a predominantly GNOME/GTK desktop,
for example, but you have a small number (perhaps 1) of QT or KDE apps
installed, if you could spare them then such packages should be high up the
list.

 So this would have to be scripted to be useful

It would certainly be useful if this was scripted.


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r13967 - packages/trunk/abuse-sdl/debian

2013-02-25 Thread Jon Dowland
Author: jmtd
Date: 2013-02-25 14:16:41 + (Mon, 25 Feb 2013)
New Revision: 13967

Modified:
   packages/trunk/abuse-sdl/debian/control
Log:
update Vcs-Browser: field

Modified: packages/trunk/abuse-sdl/debian/control
===
--- packages/trunk/abuse-sdl/debian/control 2013-02-22 16:24:46 UTC (rev 
13966)
+++ packages/trunk/abuse-sdl/debian/control 2013-02-25 14:16:41 UTC (rev 
13967)
@@ -6,7 +6,7 @@
 Build-Depends: debhelper ( 5.0), quilt, libsdl1.2-dev, libsdl-mixer1.2-dev, 
binutils (= 2.14.90.0.7)
 Standards-Version: 3.9.1
 Vcs-Svn: svn://svn.debian.org/svn/pkg-games/packages/trunk/abuse-sdl/
-Vcs-Browser: 
http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-games/packages/trunk/abuse-sdl/?op=log
+Vcs-Browser: 
http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-games/packages/trunk/abuse-sdl/?op=log
 Homepage: http://abuse.zoy.org/
 
 Package: abuse


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Re: Cost of packages in disk space?

2013-02-25 Thread Jon Dowland
For simple per-package results, dpigs from debian-goodies gives you what you
want (and is little more than a one-liner similar to what was posted by another
to this thread, internally.)

As for cumulative space, what you want is not how much space a package takes up
but to answer the question: for a given set of package operations, what space
will be occupied/freed? In my experience, firing up aptitude, programming in 
the proposed change (removals or additions) and hitting 'go' once, gives you
the space changes that would result if you hit 'go' a second time.


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r13961 - in packages/trunk/love/debian: . patches

2013-02-22 Thread Jon Dowland
Author: jmtd
Date: 2013-02-22 15:04:19 + (Fri, 22 Feb 2013)
New Revision: 13961

Added:
   packages/trunk/love/debian/patches/packaged-glee
Modified:
   packages/trunk/love/debian/changelog
   packages/trunk/love/debian/control
Log:
catch SVN up to last release (0.8.0-3)

Modified: packages/trunk/love/debian/changelog
===
--- packages/trunk/love/debian/changelog2013-02-13 05:35:19 UTC (rev 
13960)
+++ packages/trunk/love/debian/changelog2013-02-22 15:04:19 UTC (rev 
13961)
@@ -1,8 +1,9 @@
-love (0.8.0-3) UNRELEASED; urgency=low
+love (0.8.0-3) unstable; urgency=low
 
-  * NOT RELEASED YET
+  * Team upload.
+  * Add glee-dev to Build-Depends. Closes: #690871
 
- -- Bas Wijnen wij...@debian.org  Tue, 16 Oct 2012 10:03:54 +0200
+ -- Bas Wijnen wij...@debian.org  Thu, 18 Oct 2012 20:35:56 +0200
 
 love (0.8.0-2) unstable; urgency=low
 

Modified: packages/trunk/love/debian/control
===
--- packages/trunk/love/debian/control  2013-02-13 05:35:19 UTC (rev 13960)
+++ packages/trunk/love/debian/control  2013-02-22 15:04:19 UTC (rev 13961)
@@ -6,8 +6,9 @@
 Build-Depends: debhelper (= 7), autotools-dev, automake, autoconf, libtool,
  dh-buildinfo, pkg-config, libboost-dev, libsdl1.2-dev, libsdl-mixer1.2-dev,
  libopenal-dev, liblua5.1-0-dev, libphysfs-dev, libdevil-dev, libfreetype6-dev,
- libmng-dev, libmodplug-dev, libmpg123-dev, libflac++-dev, libxpm-dev, 
libxcursor-dev,
- libxxf86vm-dev, libtiff4-dev, libpng12-dev, lua5.1, liblua5.1-expat0, 
libvorbis-dev
+ libmng-dev, libmodplug-dev, libmpg123-dev, libflac++-dev, libxpm-dev,
+ libxcursor-dev, libxxf86vm-dev, libtiff4-dev, libpng12-dev, lua5.1,
+ liblua5.1-expat0, libvorbis-dev, glee-dev
 Standards-Version: 3.9.3
 Homepage: http://love2d.org/
 Vcs-Svn: svn://svn.debian.org/svn/pkg-games/packages/trunk/love/

Added: packages/trunk/love/debian/patches/packaged-glee
===
--- packages/trunk/love/debian/patches/packaged-glee
(rev 0)
+++ packages/trunk/love/debian/patches/packaged-glee2013-02-22 15:04:19 UTC 
(rev 13961)
@@ -0,0 +1,19 @@
+Description: Replace included GLee with packaged version
+ Disable use of included GLee, using the packaged version instead.
+Author: Bas Wijnen wij...@debian.org
+Bug-Debian: http://bugs.debian.org/690492
+Forwarded: no
+Last-Update: 2012-10-14
+
+Index: love-0.8.0/configure.in
+===
+--- love-0.8.0.orig/configure.in   2012-10-14 22:16:31.0 +0200
 love-0.8.0/configure.in2012-10-14 22:31:15.232423281 +0200
+@@ -13,6 +13,7 @@
+ AC_SEARCH_LIBS([glLoadIdentity], [GL], [], AC_MSG_ERROR([Can't LÖVE without 
OpenGL]))
+ #AC_SEARCH_LIBS([gluOrtho2D], [GLU], [], AC_MSG_ERROR([Can't LÖVE without 
OpenGL Utility Library]))
+ AC_SEARCH_LIBS([alSourcePlay], [openal], [], AC_MSG_ERROR([Can't LÖVE without 
OpenAL]))
++AC_SEARCH_LIBS([GLeeInit], [glee], [], AC_MSG_ERROR([Can't LÖVE without 
GLee]))
+ lua=lua
+ AC_ARG_WITH([luajit],
+   [AS_HELP_STRING([--with-luajit], [Use LuaJIT instead of lua and 
llvm-lua])],


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r13962 - packages/tags/love

2013-02-22 Thread Jon Dowland
Author: jmtd
Date: 2013-02-22 15:05:24 + (Fri, 22 Feb 2013)
New Revision: 13962

Added:
   packages/tags/love/0.8.0-3/
Log:
Tag Release



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r13963 - packages/trunk/love/debian

2013-02-22 Thread Jon Dowland
Author: jmtd
Date: 2013-02-22 15:07:10 + (Fri, 22 Feb 2013)
New Revision: 13963

Modified:
   packages/trunk/love/debian/changelog
   packages/trunk/love/debian/control
Log:
Update Vcs-Browser control file field

Modified: packages/trunk/love/debian/changelog
===
--- packages/trunk/love/debian/changelog2013-02-22 15:05:24 UTC (rev 
13962)
+++ packages/trunk/love/debian/changelog2013-02-22 15:07:10 UTC (rev 
13963)
@@ -1,3 +1,9 @@
+love (0.8.0-4) UNRELEASED; urgency=low
+
+  * Update Vcs-Browser control file field.
+
+ -- Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org  Fri, 22 Feb 2013 15:05:10 +
+
 love (0.8.0-3) unstable; urgency=low
 
   * Team upload.

Modified: packages/trunk/love/debian/control
===
--- packages/trunk/love/debian/control  2013-02-22 15:05:24 UTC (rev 13962)
+++ packages/trunk/love/debian/control  2013-02-22 15:07:10 UTC (rev 13963)
@@ -12,7 +12,7 @@
 Standards-Version: 3.9.3
 Homepage: http://love2d.org/
 Vcs-Svn: svn://svn.debian.org/svn/pkg-games/packages/trunk/love/
-Vcs-Browser: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-games/packages/trunk/love/?op=log
+Vcs-Browser: http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-games/packages/trunk/love/
 
 Package: love
 Architecture: any


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r13965 - packages/trunk/love/debian

2013-02-22 Thread Jon Dowland
Author: jmtd
Date: 2013-02-22 16:24:22 + (Fri, 22 Feb 2013)
New Revision: 13965

Added:
   packages/trunk/love/debian/love-dbg.lintian-overrides
   packages/trunk/love/debian/love-doc.lintian-overrides
   packages/trunk/love/debian/love.lintian-overrides
Removed:
   packages/trunk/love/debian/docs
Modified:
   packages/trunk/love/debian/changelog
   packages/trunk/love/debian/rules
Log:
lintian overrides and minor fixes

Modified: packages/trunk/love/debian/changelog
===
--- packages/trunk/love/debian/changelog2013-02-22 15:27:48 UTC (rev 
13964)
+++ packages/trunk/love/debian/changelog2013-02-22 16:24:22 UTC (rev 
13965)
@@ -1,11 +1,15 @@
-love (0.8.0-4) UNRELEASED; urgency=low
+love (0.8.0-4) experimental; urgency=low
 
   * Team upload.
   * Update Vcs-Browser control file field.
   * If binfmt-tools is installed, associate .love files with
 /usr/bin/love. Closes: #628438.
+  * Lintian override for mention of LGPL in copyright file.
+  * Lintian override for /usr/bin/love in .desktop file.
+  * Call dh_lintian to install the overrides.
+  * Don't ship a duplicate changelog at changes.txt.gz
 
- -- Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org  Fri, 22 Feb 2013 15:05:10 +
+ -- Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org  Thu, 21 Feb 2013 23:05:10 +
 
 love (0.8.0-3) unstable; urgency=low
 

Deleted: packages/trunk/love/debian/docs
===
--- packages/trunk/love/debian/docs 2013-02-22 15:27:48 UTC (rev 13964)
+++ packages/trunk/love/debian/docs 2013-02-22 16:24:22 UTC (rev 13965)
@@ -1 +0,0 @@
-changes.txt

Added: packages/trunk/love/debian/love-dbg.lintian-overrides
===
--- packages/trunk/love/debian/love-dbg.lintian-overrides   
(rev 0)
+++ packages/trunk/love/debian/love-dbg.lintian-overrides   2013-02-22 
16:24:22 UTC (rev 13965)
@@ -0,0 +1,2 @@
+# LGPL is in the copyright file but does not apply to any of Love
+love-dbg binary: copyright-should-refer-to-common-license-file-for-lgpl

Added: packages/trunk/love/debian/love-doc.lintian-overrides
===
--- packages/trunk/love/debian/love-doc.lintian-overrides   
(rev 0)
+++ packages/trunk/love/debian/love-doc.lintian-overrides   2013-02-22 
16:24:22 UTC (rev 13965)
@@ -0,0 +1,2 @@
+# LGPL is in the copyright file but does not apply to any of Love
+love-doc binary: copyright-should-refer-to-common-license-file-for-lgpl

Added: packages/trunk/love/debian/love.lintian-overrides
===
--- packages/trunk/love/debian/love.lintian-overrides   
(rev 0)
+++ packages/trunk/love/debian/love.lintian-overrides   2013-02-22 16:24:22 UTC 
(rev 13965)
@@ -0,0 +1,5 @@
+# LGPL is in the copyright file but does not apply to any of Love
+love binary: copyright-should-refer-to-common-license-file-for-lgpl
+
+# /usr/bin/love is managed by update-alternatives
+love binary: desktop-command-not-in-package

Modified: packages/trunk/love/debian/rules
===
--- packages/trunk/love/debian/rules2013-02-22 15:27:48 UTC (rev 13964)
+++ packages/trunk/love/debian/rules2013-02-22 16:24:22 UTC (rev 13965)
@@ -106,6 +106,7 @@
dh_installmime -a
 #  dh_installinfo -a
dh_installman debian/love-$(PRG_SUFFIX).1 -a
+   dh_lintian
dh_link -a
dh_strip --dbg-package=love-dbg -a
dh_compress -a --exclude=.love --exclude=.lua


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r13966 - packages/tags/love

2013-02-22 Thread Jon Dowland
Author: jmtd
Date: 2013-02-22 16:24:46 + (Fri, 22 Feb 2013)
New Revision: 13966

Added:
   packages/tags/love/0.8.0-4/
Log:
tag 0.8.0-4



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Re: Bug#700506: ITP: trinity -- A Linux System call fuzz tester

2013-02-15 Thread Jon Dowland
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 11:37:03AM -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote:
 The chances of Trinity, the desktop environment, being packaged in Debian are
 very low.

That may be the case, but it may still confuse users regardless.


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Re: OT: just falling back to fluxbox after Gnome3 mem-leak experince

2013-02-15 Thread Jon Dowland
On Fri, Feb 08, 2013 at 12:09:16PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote:
 Indeed, but we're talking about 3GB of memory here, which seems hard to
 justify for such an application.

Sure, but my point was it's not a leak. Being memory inefficient is one thing.
Leaking memory is where, over time, it takes more and more memory because it
is not properly freeing up memory it has finished with. You need to sample
the memory usage more than once to establish that some is being lost to leaks.


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Re: OT: just falling back to fluxbox after Gnome3 mem-leak experince

2013-02-08 Thread Jon Dowland
On Fri, Feb 08, 2013 at 11:28:51AM +0100, Peter Viskup wrote:
 Hi all,
 just want to share my bad experience with Gnome3 in testing. They
 have/had some mem-leaks in there.
 
 viskup@viskup:~$ uptime
  11:10:57 up 16 days, 17:01, 10 users,  load average: 1.61, 1.34, 1.07

I'm not sure what this is supposed to demonstrate. Has gnome-shell been running
for 16 days?

 viskup@viskup:~$ awk '/Name|VmSize|VmPeak/' /proc/4186/status
 Name:   gnome-shell
 VmPeak:  3537456 kB
 VmSize:  3403068 kB

That doesn't show a memory leak. What was the memory usage at start-up?
For ref, my gnome-shell instance appears to have been running 8 days (odd,
I don't remember restarting it then) and is using 

awk '/Name|VmSize|VmPeak/' /proc/$(pidof gnome-shell)/status
Name:   gnome-shell
VmPeak:  1250636 kB
VmSize:  1190912 kB

 ii  gnome-shell  3.4.2-6   amd64 graphical shell for

I'm one version behind you.


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Re: OT - Convert output of byte count to GB count?

2013-02-08 Thread Jon Dowland
You could use GNU units. It appears to treat SI prefixes as strictly base 10,
so use the KiB/MiB etc. variants where applicable:

 $ units 8112116KiB MiB
   * 7921.9883
   / 0.00012623094

Something like

 …21| awk '/transferred/' {print $1}'|while read i; do units ${i}bytes 
 GiB; done

That will need playing around with.


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Re: Go (golang) packaging, part 2

2013-02-06 Thread Jon Dowland
On Wed, Feb 06, 2013 at 09:23:02AM +, Neil Williams wrote:
 Then don't package Go at all and leave it entirely outside the realm of dpkg
 - no dependencies allowed in either direction, no files created outside
 /usr/local for any reason, no contamination of the apt or dpkg cache data. If
 what you want is complete separation, why is there even a long running thread
 on integration?

That's one possible solution, and a low-risk one at that. The others carry the
risk of doing the job badly, especially if there is not enough resource to
implement them going forwards.

 Then why bother discussing packaging Go if it isn't going to be packaged,
 it's just going to invent it's own little ghetto in /usr/local?

That seems pretty perjorative. The reason Go has invented it's own little
ghetto is to solve the distribution problem. The reason they want to solve it
is because, despite our best efforts, we haven't solved it. Pretending we have
done helps nobody. From Go's perspective, we are a bit player. There's a
pattern of misplaced arrogance and pride that permeates -devel from time to
time whenever difficult integration discussions come up (systemd included) that
really doesn't help. Let's not overstate our importance in the wider world, it
does not help us one bit. Step by step we'll just close our doors to the rest
of the Universe and slide further into irrelevance.

 If Go wants to be packaged, it complies by the requirements of packaging.

Go doesn't want anything: It's a programming language and environment, not a
sentient being. The authors of Go are probably not that bothered about it being
packaged, seeing as they've put energy into solving the distribution problem
themselves, at the same time making it more difficult to distribution-package.
The people who want to see it packaged are people who want to see Debian users
be able to conveniently interact with Go-land.


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Accepted chocolate-doom 1.7.0-3 (source amd64)

2013-02-06 Thread Jon Dowland
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Source: chocolate-doom
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Architecture: source amd64
Version: 1.7.0-3
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian Games Team pkg-games-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Jon Dowland j...@debian.org
Description: 
 chocolate-doom - Doom engine closely-compatible with vanilla doom
Closes: 692762
Changes: 
 chocolate-doom (1.7.0-3) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Remove deprecated dm-upload-allowed field from
 the control file.
   * Provides: doom-engine. Closes: #692762.
   * Remove duplicate upstream Changelog. This addresses:
 * duplicate-changelog-files
   usr/share/doc/chocolate-doom/ChangeLog.gz
   usr/share/doc/chocolate-doom/changelog.gz
   * Rework copyright file to current DEP-5 format. This addresses:
 * obsolete-field-in-dep5-copyright maintainer upstream-contact
 * obsolete-field-in-dep5-copyright name upstream-name
 * obsolete-field-in-dep5-copyright format-specification format
 * comma-separated-files-in-dep5-copyright paragraph
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Re: copy current HDD setout on preseed

2013-02-06 Thread Jon Dowland
On Wed, Feb 06, 2013 at 02:40:18PM +0100, Frank Lanitz wrote:
 Depending on your goal you could create the layout and put it into kind
 of a image. Fastest way would be e.g. dd if=/dev/sda of=/foo/baa
 
 At last as long as you are not writing, whats your goal ;)

OP mentioned preseeding. Can they perform an operation such as you suggest
from within a preseed configuration?


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Re: Go (golang) packaging, part 2

2013-02-05 Thread Jon Dowland
On Fri, Feb 01, 2013 at 01:27:05PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
 Lennart Sorensen lsore...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca writes:
  Not all C libraries are distributed from one central site and they
  certainly don't expect you to use a central package installation system.
 
 So much more the shame for C.  Those are *improvements* that Perl came up
 with (well, actually, that the TeX community came up with and Perl copied)
 that made the ecosystem much nicer.

On that note, Rusty Russell's CCAN is interesting:
http://ccodearchive.net/


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Re: Go (golang) packaging, part 2

2013-02-05 Thread Jon Dowland
On Fri, Feb 01, 2013 at 03:20:08PM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
 On Fri, Feb 01, 2013 at 10:00:32AM +, Jon Dowland wrote:
  As a Haskell developer, I find cabal much more convenient than nothing,
  in the situation where the library I want is not packaged by Debian yet.
  If I want my haskell libraries and programs to reach a wide audience, I
  need to learn Cabal anyway.
 
 If you are writing libraries to add to the language, then I don't consider
 you a normal developer using the language.

Well, my point stands if I were writing a mere Haskell user-oriented program
for that matter.

 You generally don't have to because things are in Debian archives already.

It can be a chicken and egg problem. I see .debs often when a repository does
exist (spotify, dropbox I think, google chrome) and many situations where a
repository does not (humble indie bundle)

 If you want bleeding edge, then you are not a normal user and you
 certainly aren't a system administrator that wants to keep a controlled
 system they can reproduce.

I must admit I'm losing touch of precisely what you are arguing here. I guess
it's not everything that matters will be packaged with Debian hence the
previous paragraph re: external apt repositories. Yet, I don't suppose you're
arguing that availability in an external apt repository is any guarantee of
quality (Or at least I hope you're not).  I don't think we're necessarily
talking about bleeding edge, either.  If something is not packaged in Debian,
it's not necessarily bleeding edge.

 I know dpkg --get-selections will tell me all the software installed on
 the system so I can do the same on another one.  If yet another package
 maanger gets involved I have to know about it and do something different
 to handle that.  That's not a good thing.

True. But you also lose lots of other information, such as what is marked
automatic, the contents of your debconf DB and corresponding changes in
/etc, non-corresponding changes in /etc… dpkg --get-selections is not and
has never been a solution to the problem you are describing.


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Re: Go (golang) packaging, part 2

2013-02-05 Thread Jon Dowland
On Fri, Feb 01, 2013 at 12:38:16PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
 Using Debian packages is a *means*, not an *end*.  Sometimes in these
 discussions I think people lose sight of the fact that, at the end of the
 day, the goal is not to construct an elegantly consistent system composed
 of theoretically pure components.  That's a *preference*, but there's
 something that system is supposed to be *doing*, and we will do what we
 need to do in order to make the system functional.

And in particular, where a problem cannot be solved in pure Debian, I don't
want Debian to interfere with the bit of the solution that lives outside of
its domain. That may include not attempting to package/patch/alter/adjust
upstream systems like Go that have a different philosophical approach. The
worst case scenario IMHO is some people invest a lot of time to make the
Debianized-Go stuff quite divergent from upstream, people's expectations of
how things behave in Go-land are broken when they access Go-via-Debian, the
job is never quite complete and so we get extra bugs, and a new upstream
community relationship is marred. This is a much worse outcome than not
attempting to package Go at all, IMHO.

I guess I'd quite like the boundaries of responsibility to be very clear,
when I'm forced to have such boundaries.


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Re: Go (golang) packaging, part 2

2013-02-05 Thread Jon Dowland
On Fri, Feb 01, 2013 at 04:02:18PM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
 For cpan there is even dh-make-perl.  The solution then is to make
 equivelant scripts for other languages.  The solution is NOT to use some
 other package installation system.

Although I've never used dh-make-perl myself, I'm lead to believe that it
is perhaps *the* most successful tool of its type (that is, of things that
create .debs from packages in an alternative repository system like CPAN,
gems, cabal, etc.), and that it works as reliably as it does (which as Russ
points out is not 100% by any means) by relying on data from CPAN. So it's
hard to use it as an argument against such external package systems.


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Bug#692506: unblock: chocolate-doom/1.7.0-2 (but please see inside!)

2013-02-05 Thread Jon Dowland
Hi Jonathan,

On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 04:01:47PM +, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
 I would accept the Uploaders fix and the other documentation fixes along
 with it, but not the standards version. Can you prepare a debdiff before
 uploading and send it to this bug please?

Thank you, looking at it now. Would you accept the following documentation
fixes too: removing dm-upload-allowed; adding a provides: doom-engine
(closes: #692762)? If so, I can work from the git master where they've
been addressed; otherwise I'll cherry pick the fixes that I mentioned in
the -release mail from November. Sorry if it seems like I'm moving the
goal posts here, that wasn't my intention when I fixed those bugs in git,
honest!


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Bug#692506: unblock: chocolate-doom/1.7.0-2 (but please see inside!)

2013-02-05 Thread Jon Dowland
Hi Jonathan,

On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 04:01:47PM +, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
 I would accept the Uploaders fix and the other documentation fixes along
 with it, but not the standards version. Can you prepare a debdiff before
 uploading and send it to this bug please?

Thank you, looking at it now. Would you accept the following documentation
fixes too: removing dm-upload-allowed; adding a provides: doom-engine
(closes: #692762)? If so, I can work from the git master where they've
been addressed; otherwise I'll cherry pick the fixes that I mentioned in
the -release mail from November. Sorry if it seems like I'm moving the
goal posts here, that wasn't my intention when I fixed those bugs in git,
honest!


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Re: Go (golang) packaging, part 2

2013-02-01 Thread Jon Dowland
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 06:46:35PM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
 Absolutely.  As a user I have a nice package management system that I
 know how to use and which works well.  I don't need another one.

As a Haskell developer, I find cabal much more convenient than nothing,
in the situation where the library I want is not packaged by Debian yet.
If I want my haskell libraries and programs to reach a wide audience, I
need to learn Cabal anyway.

 It is not the job of a language developer to invent yet another bloody
 package distribution and installation system.

And yet they do, and so we need to manage it.

Remember that Debian does not just provide a package management system: it also
provides repositories and dictates what goes in them according to the DFSG.
Whilst adding new repositories is relatively simple for users (and growing in
popularity for upstreams), installing bare .deb files is still not a very
smooth process (although massively improved by e.g. gdebi these days)

From an upstream POV, they want their software in the hands of end users. They
don't want to have to learn and build a myriad of different package types
(.deb, .rpm, etc.) and crucially neither do we. In many cases they don't want
to have to wait for a distro to package their software for them either.

In the Go case, their users are people who might have a shell/web account but
not admin access on a shared host somewhere, running god knows what distro and
version, hence having a self-contained fat binary that is guaranteed to run
wherever libc is meets their goals.


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Bug#699158: ITP: squishyball -- audio sample comparison testing tool

2013-01-28 Thread Jon Dowland
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Jon Dowland j...@debian.org

* Package name: squishyball
  Version : 0.1~svn18785
  Upstream Author : Monty mo...@xiph.org
* URL : http://svn.xiph.org/trunk/squishyball/
* License : GPL
  Programming Lang: C
  Description : audio sample comparison testing tool

 squishyball is a simple command-line utility for performing
 double-blind A/B, A/B/X or X/X/Y (A/B/X with additional sample order
 randomisation) testing of audio samples on the command line.
 .
 The user specifies two input files to be compared and uses the
 keyboard during playback to flip between the randomized samples to
 perform on-the-fly comparisons.  After a predetermined number of
 trials, squishyball prints the trial results to stdout and exits.
 .
 squishyball can be used to help establish what lossy audio codec
 settings are optimal for a particular combination of user and
 audio equipment.


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Bug#699158: ITP: squishyball -- audio sample comparison testing tool

2013-01-28 Thread Jon Dowland
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Jon Dowland j...@debian.org

* Package name: squishyball
  Version : 0.1~svn18785
  Upstream Author : Monty mo...@xiph.org
* URL : http://svn.xiph.org/trunk/squishyball/
* License : GPL
  Programming Lang: C
  Description : audio sample comparison testing tool

 squishyball is a simple command-line utility for performing
 double-blind A/B, A/B/X or X/X/Y (A/B/X with additional sample order
 randomisation) testing of audio samples on the command line.
 .
 The user specifies two input files to be compared and uses the
 keyboard during playback to flip between the randomized samples to
 perform on-the-fly comparisons.  After a predetermined number of
 trials, squishyball prints the trial results to stdout and exits.
 .
 squishyball can be used to help establish what lossy audio codec
 settings are optimal for a particular combination of user and
 audio equipment.


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Bug#699158: ITP: squishyball -- audio sample comparison testing tool

2013-01-28 Thread Jon Dowland
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Jon Dowland j...@debian.org

* Package name: squishyball
  Version : 0.1~svn18785
  Upstream Author : Monty mo...@xiph.org
* URL : http://svn.xiph.org/trunk/squishyball/
* License : GPL
  Programming Lang: C
  Description : audio sample comparison testing tool

 squishyball is a simple command-line utility for performing
 double-blind A/B, A/B/X or X/X/Y (A/B/X with additional sample order
 randomisation) testing of audio samples on the command line.
 .
 The user specifies two input files to be compared and uses the
 keyboard during playback to flip between the randomized samples to
 perform on-the-fly comparisons.  After a predetermined number of
 trials, squishyball prints the trial results to stdout and exits.
 .
 squishyball can be used to help establish what lossy audio codec
 settings are optimal for a particular combination of user and
 audio equipment.


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Re: Linux Future

2013-01-23 Thread Jon Dowland
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 10:46:33AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
 You might find this useful:
 http://np237.livejournal.com/33449.html
 
 I made this presentation in the hope to make such things easier to
 understand for the sysadmin.

Just for the record I found it a good read, and mentally have it bookmarked
for the next time I need it.


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Re: Bug#696006: ITP: tinyos -- operating system for sensor motes and embedded devices

2012-12-17 Thread Jon Dowland
Hi - we have/had some modules here at Newcastle University using TinyOS
and having it available in Debian may make it easier for us to deliver
the teaching in future. Thanks!

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Re: Yast for debian

2012-12-17 Thread Jon Dowland
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 04:17:56PM +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote:
 is there any tool equivalent to yast in Debian?

For those of us unfamiliar with what Yast is or does now, can you
explain the particular features you are looking for?


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Re: Network Manager icon not working well

2012-12-17 Thread Jon Dowland
On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 12:50:36PM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
  is there any service which monitors status of Ethernet and changes Network
  manager's icon on gnome-control-panel?
 
 Network Manager.

For GNOME3, nm does not draw the icon in the display, gnome-shell overrides it
and provides its own. I've had gnome-shell and nm fall out / lose d-bus
connection or something else more than once, and that may be a related problem
here.


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Re: Debian 7 wheezy should be released by now, don't u think?

2012-12-17 Thread Jon Dowland
On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 11:53:41AM +0100, Johan Grönqvist wrote:
 You can have a look at 
 http://richardhartmann.de/blog/posts/2012/12/14-Debian_Release_Critical_Bug_report_for_Week_50/
 to see the number of release critical bugs. The release should wait
 until that number is zero.

Near zero. I don't think any release has waited until it was actually zero.


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Re: Gnome3 probe

2012-12-17 Thread Jon Dowland
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 08:30:24AM -0500, Rob Owens wrote:
 Cinnamon is actually in Sid right now.  I haven't tried it, so I don't
 know how well it works.

Thanks for the information. It still won't get into the next stable
release, but being officially packaged is likely to be in the one after
that.


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Re: Bug#695897: ITP: corekeeper -- Core file centralizer and reaper

2012-12-14 Thread Jon Dowland
These have been forcemerged.

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Btrfs limitations in the Debian installer 7.0 beta4 release

2012-12-14 Thread Jon Dowland
Forwarding this interesting message re d-i feedback and using BTRFS in
the installer from -devel.

- Forwarded message from Aaron Toponce aaron.topo...@gmail.com -

From: Aaron Toponce aaron.topo...@gmail.com
Subject:  Btrfs limitations in the Debian installer 7.0 beta4 release
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 09:43:20 -0700
To: debian-de...@lists.debian.org

Recently, I decided to put down a Btrfs root on my workstation using the
latest release of the installer. I found that given my hardware
configuration, this is not possible, and would require using another
installer or debootstrap the installation, which is far from ideal.

I have two 250 GB drives I would like to put into a RAID-1 mirror. I want
Btrfs to handle the RAID, rather than mdadm. It appears that this is not
possible in the installer, as when you are at the partitioning screen, it
forces you to decide which partition gets mounted to root.

Instead, I'll pull up tty2, and manually build the array. Suppose they are
identified as /dev/sda and /dev/sdb. I would like to partition the drives,
such that /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1 make up the root Btrfs filesystem, and
/dev/sda2 and /dev/sdb2 make up a ZFS /home.

After partitioning the devices, I run the following command to create the
Btrfs RAID:

# mkfs.btrfs -d raid1 -m raid1 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1
# mount /dev/sda1 /target/

Now, I would prefer to have the root into a subvolume. So, I run the
following command:

# cd /target/
# btrfs subvolume create root
# cd
# umount /target/
# mount -t btrfs -o defaults,subvol=root /dev/sda1 /target/

Recognize that I am effectively mounting /dev/sda1/root (if such a device
actually existed) to /target/, and not /dev/sda1. However, the partitioning
utility will not allow me to modify the mount options when specifying which
subvolume should be mounted to /.

So, if I specify /dev/sda1 to be /, the debian installer will umount
/target/ and mount /dev/sda1 /target/ which is not what I want.

Further, asside from pulling up a terminal in the installer, there is now
way in the partitioning utility to setup Btrfs volumes using multiple
devices. You must set that up in tty2 or tty3. (As a tangent gripe, the
partitioner will also not allow you to setup an encrypted partition. You
must do encrypted volumes with LVM. You can defeat this by again going to a
TTY.)

Doing a GRUB install on both /dev/sda and /dev/sdb is not a problem, and I
can configure GRUB to assemble the Btrfs volume, and I can make the
necessary changes to notify the kernel where the root filesystem is.
However, all of these require stepping out of the Debian installer, and
using another vendor's install, such as Ubuntu or Fedora, to bootstrap it.
Again, far from ideal.

It would be nice if the partitioning utility allowed the administrator to
specify mount options (asside from checkboxes with 'noatime', 'relatime',
etc). This way, I could tell the installer to mount the subvolume as root,
and not the partition.

I can file a feature request, if needed.

Thanks,

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Re: Gnome3 probe

2012-12-14 Thread Jon Dowland
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:35:59AM +0100, phi debian wrote:
 So my question, does next release of debian will be poluted with gnome3,
 are will we have a choice? Even a dangled gnome2 would be good for me.

GNOME2 will be gone, GNOME3 will be present, and the fallback mode has
been renamed GNOME classic and is available as a desktop session (that
is, you can select it from the login prompt). So, if you can customize
the fallback/classic mode to your tastes, which may involve writing or
using extensions, great. If not, you could consider one of the other
desktop environments in Debian, or you could use the 3rd party MATE
packages which are a fork of the GNOME2 codebase. There's some chance
that MATE will be officially packaged in Debian for the release after
next, but not for wheezy. Finally, there's another effort called
Cinnamon which tries to give a GNOME2-like experience on top of
GNOME3 technology, again that is not packaged officially for the next
release of Debian, but is available third party, and might be in the
release after next.


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Re: GFDL in main

2012-12-11 Thread Jon Dowland
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 01:04:22AM +0100, Jakub Wilk wrote:
 * Jakub Wilk jw...@jwilk.net, 2012-12-01, 12:10:
 Any volunteers to file bugs?
 
 I'll file them myself.

Please collect them together with a usertag to help others who
may wish to get involved.


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Re: dput-ng/1.1 in unstable

2012-12-06 Thread Jon Dowland
On Thu, Dec 06, 2012 at 09:53:41AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
 Anything less than the full fingerprint (8, 7 or whatever)

I hadn't noticed that 0xFEFACED was only 7 characters. That's cheating ☺

It might be worth noting that GPG does not accept less than 8 chars as an
argument prefixed by 0x

 $ gpg --list-keys 0xDEFACED
 gpg: error reading key: malformed user id

I've just learned that my key is uniquely identifyable by the last three
bytes within (and only within) the current debian-keyring

 $ gpg --list-keys --with-colons|grep AAA:
 pub:u:4096:1:0907409606AA:2009-09-14:::u:Jon Dowland 
 j...@debian.org::scESC:

Not that this information is particularly useful to me. (the '4096' bit
is serendipity too, since it's a 4096-bit RSA key.)

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Re: dput-ng/1.1 in unstable

2012-12-06 Thread Jon Dowland
On Thu, Dec 06, 2012 at 01:02:29PM +0100, Arno Töll wrote:
 Hint: gpg --list-keys --with-colons --keyring
 /usr/share/keyrings/debian-keyring.gpg --no-default-keyring

No need, I have 'keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-keyring.gpg' in my
~/.gnupg/gpg.conf.

 Not sure though, why nion is listed with his old 1k key in the DD keyring.

Doesn't count until he is…


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Re: upgrade from Squeeze to Wheezy

2012-12-04 Thread Jon Dowland
On Sun, Dec 02, 2012 at 08:35:51PM -0500, Charles Kroeger wrote:
 hummm...I don't know but I care nothing for these code words squeeze wheezy 
 sid
 etc.  I prefer good 'ol stable testing unstable experimental.

They both serve their own purposes. The code names continue to point
at the same release, even when it changes from being testing to
stable, or stable to oldstable.

 Try these in your 'sources.list as well:
snip
 deb http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free
 deb-src http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free
 
 deb http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/ experimental main contrib non-free
 deb-src http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/ experimental main contrib non-free

Dangerous unless you have also set up pinning properly.

 I would instead suggest to make or put into your /etc/apt/preferences file:
 
 Package: debian-reference-fr  (en?)
 Pin: release a=unstable
 Pin-Priority: 500
 
 Package: debian-reference-common
 Pin: release a=unstable
 Pin-Priority: 500

These particular pinning rules will not prevent unstable packages being
installed if you go for the above stanzes in the sources.list file.

 and in your /etc/apt/apt.conf file:
 
 APT::Default-Release unstable;

That will force the user to unstable. They want to use wheezy!

 Build-Essential build-essential;
 Clean-Installed true;
 Immediate-Configure true;  // DO NOT turn this off, see the man page
 Force-LoopBreak false; // DO NOT turn this on, see the man page
 Install-Recommends true;
 Install-Suggests false;

These are all the default apt values. Why bother writing them out
in the config?

 Ignore-Hold false;
 Cache-Start 20971520;
 Cache-Grow 1048576;
 Cache-Limit 0;
 Default-Release ;

I can't see the relevance of any of these for the problem at hand.


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Re: Packaging MATE for Debian

2012-12-03 Thread Jon Dowland
On Mon, Dec 03, 2012 at 03:39:03PM -0500, Jeremy Bicha wrote:
 What's so bad about evince that you need to use a forked version
 anyway? Or gnome-icon-theme, gnome-keyring, gnome-terminal, etc.

This is drifting off the topic at hand, please, take it to another
list if you want to continue down this line.

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Re: Packaging MATE for Debian

2012-12-03 Thread Jon Dowland
On Mon, Dec 03, 2012 at 02:06:03AM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
 You can use the upstream packaging, available at:
 deb http://packages.mate-desktop.org/repo/debian wheezy main

Thanks but I'm interested in possibly helping an effort to package MATE
in Debian, rather than run it myself.
 
 So from an _user_'s point of view, John Paul could just upload everything
 as-is and it'd be in a better shape than Gnome3 or XFCE already.  I don't
 know about packaging internals here so I can't offer this kind of help,
 though.

I think it's the packaging internals that I'm most likely to be able to
help with.

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Re: Problem With exim4 smtp authenication

2012-12-03 Thread Jon Dowland
Do either your username or password have a colon character in them?

Do you need to connect to a particular port on the remote SMTP server
in order to authenticate (e.g., some may accept authentication on the
default SMTP port, some might not - you may need to connect to the
submission port.)


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Re: Packaging MATE for Debian

2012-12-02 Thread Jon Dowland
On Sun, Dec 02, 2012 at 01:26:50PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
 Hey,
 
 On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 11:22:52AM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
  I'd therefore like to ask if anyone here would be willing to help me
  to get MATE into Debian for Jessie.
 
 I'd like to ping back and see if there's anyone here who'd be
 interested in joining me to package MATE for Debian.

If there was a git repo to check out I'd be happy to test packages and do
some mild work, but not as a main commitment.


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Re: wheezy and gcc 4.3 (and maybe 4.5)

2012-12-02 Thread Jon Dowland
I feel your pain. I've tried to do much the same thing to diagnose old
kernel bugs. I recommend installing squeeze on a small root partition
entirely separately. (or older than squeeze if necessary)

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Re: Dying hard drive?

2012-12-02 Thread Jon Dowland
On Sat, Dec 01, 2012 at 08:04:52PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
 Have a look at the /etc/inittab file.
 
 I have:
 # less /etc/inittab
 [...]
 # What to do when CTRL-ALT-DEL is pressed.
 ca:12345:ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown -t1 -a -r now

I'm fairly sure that X eats CTRL-ALT-DEL and init doesn't get to see
those keypresses: so in X, CTRL-ALT-DEl does not trigger a shutdown.


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Re: Really, about udev, not init sytsems

2012-11-30 Thread Jon Dowland
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 12:19:22PM +0100, Salvo Tomaselli wrote:
 I am using systemd on my laptop, i have a very default system configuration,
 (except that i compile my own kernel to avoid initrd)…
^^
 …if I, with a normal, standard desktop configuration 

I do not agree that reconfiguring your machine to avoid an initrd is a normal
standard desktop configuration. There's also several other things about your
setup which I would argue are not standard (see below)

 can find that many bugs in a software that is supposed to be extremely 
 stable, 
 how many bugs would people with more specific setups find in it?

Despite the fact we're in freeze and the focus of attention for maintainers
is to fix RC bugs and get wheezy out the door, ⅓ of the bugs you've submitted
have been fixed. That sounds pretty good to me!

It's also unfair to necessarily suggest that the three bugs you've filed are
bugs in systemd itself. They could be bugs in the packaging of systemd, bugs
in service files supplied by other packages, or bugs in other daemons that
are exposed by running systemd. I suppose they could also not be bugs at all.
That's certainly the maintainer's opinion for one of the ones you submitted.
You also say in another bug yourself I know the bug is in wicd. I think
you are being pretty disingengous about systemd and your experiences.

(I've only briefly scanned over the three you have submitted: #694048¹, 
#661239² and #693522).

 So I honestly quite like systemd but I think it should be in alpha-testing 
 right now.

In Debian, that's essentially the situation right now. Nobody is arguing to
make systemd the default init today.

¹ Indicates you don't have libpam-systemd installed, which means you have set
  apt install recommends to false: another deviation from standard desktop
  configuration. Also the last maintainer mail on the bug says This looks
  like a bug in the fetchmail init script.
² wicd? Another deviation from standard desktop configuration


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Re: Candidates for removal from testing (2012-11-30)

2012-11-30 Thread Jon Dowland
Thanks for the update!

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Re: Candidates for removal from testing (2012-11-30)

2012-11-30 Thread Jon Dowland
Thanks for the update!

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Re: Really, about udev, not init sytsems

2012-11-29 Thread Jon Dowland
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 12:55:13AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
 However, you are running Gentoo and rebuild your kernel, why would
 you bother with such thing as kernel modules and initrd? The thing is,
 many (most? all?) Gentoo user, as far as I understand (I'm not a
 Gentoo user), do not use kernel modules at all.

In that situation, you'd be posting to gentoo-dev.


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Re: which package has a binary like this sendmail one in exim?

2012-11-29 Thread Jon Dowland
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 09:40:18PM +0100, Cosme Domínguez Díaz wrote:
 El 28/11/12 19:42, Britton Kerin escribió:
 Does anyone know what debian package provides the /usr/bin/sendmail program
  ^^^
 or its equivalent like on the first system described?
 
 http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=squeezesection=allarch=any;
 searchon=contentskeywords=%2Fusr%2Fsbin%2Fsendmail
  
Note 'bin' not 'sbin'. The answer, with adjusted search, is none.


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Re: which package has a binary like this sendmail one in exim?

2012-11-29 Thread Jon Dowland
Some interesting replies , many of which seem to have not read your message ;)

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 09:42:31AM -0900, Britton Kerin wrote:
 I know exim sometimes contains a sendmail binary because on one system I
 get this:
 
   britt...@brittonkerin.com [~]# sendmail --version
   Exim version 4.76 #1 built 26-Oct-2012 16:41:54
snip
 But on my debian box (current stable distribution), there is no
 /usr/bin/sendmail binary even though I have exim installed.  There is a
 /usr/sbin/sendmail binary, but it doesn't seem to be the same one because:
snip
 Does anyone know what debian package provides the /usr/bin/sendmail program
 or its equivalent like on the first system described?

There are no packages providing /usr/bin/sendmail in Debian. However if you
were invoking 'sendmail' without a full path as root, you were probably
running /usr/sbin/sendmail. On which host did it result in the version
output? Could the owner of that host have built their own exim from source?

Next question: why do you want it? Although exim as /usr/sbin/sendmail does
not support --version, it does support most other sendmail flags, so it can
be used wherever you might have expected to use sendmail, as a user at least.
What are you trying to do?


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Re: Really, about udev, not init sytsems

2012-11-28 Thread Jon Dowland
I had a half-drafted message to the same effect, but deleted it
earlier. Thanks Neil for speaking up. I have to say Thomas, many
recent messages from you across many threads, mostly on -devel
but also elsewhere, have seemed to have very little in the way
of polite, constructive content, advancing the state of the
various arguments taking place in Debian at the moment. I'd
really appreciate it if you could think twice before contributing
to the larger, more controversial threads going forward, and
only hit the 'send' button if what you're writing is novel, new,
and of interest to the rest of the Debian community (so not e.g.
a correction to a point in one other individual's message, of
interest really only to that individual, and not every other
developer.)


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Re: the right bug severity in case of data corruption

2012-11-28 Thread Jon Dowland
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 03:34:32PM +, Darren Salt wrote:
 Having just viewed the raw text of my message (as sent), there's one other
 little wrinkle which I already knew but had failed to consider and which
 makes testing of this useless: gpg handles any 'From ' lines itself in a
 reversible manner, using '- ' as the prefix.

Definitely reversible? How does it distinguish 'From ' from '- From' prior
to signing? Ad infinitum down the rabbit hole…

 The following SHOULD be 0, 1, and 2 levels of quoting, first to last.

It was for me (Maildir)


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Re: the right bug severity in case of data corruption

2012-11-28 Thread Jon Dowland
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 05:29:20PM +, Jon Dowland wrote:
  The following SHOULD be 0, 1, and 2 levels of quoting, first to last.
 
 It was for me (Maildir)

Just rechecked, I'm wrong - the first line was quoted.


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Re: The other diversity statement

2012-11-28 Thread Jon Dowland
Thanks for fanning the flames.


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Re: how many users is enough? (was Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)

2012-11-28 Thread Jon Dowland
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 03:47:46PM +0100, Slavko wrote:
 Ubuntu leaves 93 % of packages untouched and changes/additions are done
 only to 7 % from them (statistic by some Ubuntu  Debian developer -
 sorry i have no link). Then Ubuntu has significantly less to do... 

That's a flawed argument. It takes no notice of how big the changes in
those 7% of packages might be. And it does not consider packages which
do not exist in Debian.


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Re: how many users is enough? (was Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)

2012-11-28 Thread Jon Dowland
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 11:00:07AM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
 Jon Dowland wrote:
 On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 03:47:46PM +0100, Slavko wrote:
 Ubuntu leaves 93 % of packages untouched and changes/additions are done
 only to 7 % from them (statistic by some Ubuntu  Debian developer -
 sorry i have no link). Then Ubuntu has significantly less to do...
 That's a flawed argument. It takes no notice of how big the changes in
 those 7% of packages might be. And it does not consider packages which
 do not exist in Debian.
 
 That's an even more flawed argument.  We're talking about packaging,
 not development.

How do you draw a distinction? Lots of software in Debian and Ubuntu
carry lots and lots of patches on top of the code supplied by upstream.

Slavko's argument was that Ubuntu rides on the coattails of Debian,
but the cited statistic did not include enough information to draw
that conclusion.

 (Personally, I'm suspicious of software
 and changes that are distribution-specific.)

It's considered a good rule of thumb to deviate as little as possible and
submit deviations to upstream for inclusion where possible. But it's not
always possible.

 What that 7% statistic really suggests is some combination of:
 
 a. Some of those packages are developed by folks who use Ubuntu, and
 don't get around to releasing a separate package for Debian (or
 nobody has stepped up to maintain a Debian package).  I expect this
 doesn't matter very much - just as most Debian packages work just
 fine under Ubuntu, I expect most Ubuntu packages would work just
 fine under Debian (haven't tried this, though).

Slavko phrased it as 'Ubuntu leaves 93 % of packages untouched', which
does not imply that packages only existing in Ubuntu and not Debian are
considered in that 7%.

 b. Some small percentage of Debian packages need to be tweaked to
 accommodate minor differences between the Ubuntu and Debian
 environments.

So 7% of packages are tweaked, but that says nothing about how big
the tweaks are, which was my point.

 Now where the number of users/contributors might really come into
 play is when it comes to maintaining/developing those aspects of
 Debian and Ubuntu that are unique to the respective distros (e.g.,
 their installers and package repositories).

One of the most important contributions one can make to Debian is to
find, diagnose, test and fix bugs. They can exist in any package in
the repository, not just those that are OS-specific, or particularly
heavily customized in each OS - and how well that process works is 
directly impacted by the number of users.


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Re: help

2012-11-28 Thread Jon Dowland
Hi - 

 • I was not able to figure what you need help with from your mail
 • please use a descriptive subject when posting to this list
 • please do not send HTML to this list


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Re: the right bug severity in case of data corruption

2012-11-27 Thread Jon Dowland
For anyone else following along at home who is slightly puzzled by all this,
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jonathan.deboynepollard/FGA/mail-mbox-formats.html
explains the different mbox formats, what 'From_' means, etc.


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Re: lib- prefix for non-library (was: Bug#693998: ITP: linux-minidisc -- Free software for accessing NetMD and HiMD MiniDisc devices)

2012-11-27 Thread Jon Dowland
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 05:41:35PM -0400, David Prévot wrote:
 Seems weird to see another non-library ending up in the pool/main/libr/
 directory of our archive (and yet another special case to handle for
 tools like deborphan). It would be nice to avoid the lib- prefix for
 non-library.

Nice, yes, but not nice is contorting package names away from upstream's
given name to work around a technical limitation in our pool structure/
package programs. Rightly or wrongly package names are still a key piece
of information used in user package discovery.


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Bug#694520: chocolate-doom: there are no humans in Maintainer:/Uploaders: fields

2012-11-27 Thread Jon Dowland
Package: chocolate-doom
Version: 1.7.0-1
Severity: serious
Justification: policy section 3.3

There are no humans in the Uploaders or Maintainers fields for this
version of the package, which is a policy violation.

-- System Information:
Debian Release: wheezy/sid
  APT prefers testing
  APT policy: (750, 'testing'), (700, 'stable'), (600, 'unstable'), (1, 
'experimental')
Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)
Foreign Architectures: i386

Kernel: Linux 3.2.0-4-amd64 (SMP w/4 CPU cores)
Locale: LANG=en_GB.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_GB.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash

Versions of packages prboom depends on:
ii  libc6 2.13-35
ii  libgl1-mesa-glx [libgl1]  8.0.4-2
ii  libglu1-mesa [libglu1]8.0.4-2
ii  libpng12-01.2.49-1
ii  libsdl-mixer1.2   1.2.12-3
ii  libsdl-net1.2 1.2.8-2
ii  libsdl1.2debian   1.2.15-5

Versions of packages prboom recommends:
ii  freedoom [boom-wad]  0.8~beta1-1
pn  timidity none

Versions of packages prboom suggests:
ii  game-data-packager  32

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Bug#692506: unblock: chocolate-doom/1.7.0-2 (but please see inside!)

2012-11-27 Thread Jon Dowland
Hi, just a ping for this - I hadn't filed a bug for the issue that the
unblock would resolve, I have now - #694520

On Tue, Nov 06, 2012 at 09:53:38PM +, Jon Dowland wrote:
 Package: release.debian.org
 Severity: normal
 User: release.debian@packages.debian.org
 Usertags: unblock
 
 Hi,
 
 I've just uploaded chocolate-doom/1.7.0-2, with one fix, a documentation
 fix only:
 
  * Add myself back to uploaders.
 
 1.7.0-1 has no humans in Maintainer and no Uploaders which is a policy
 violation.
 
 HOWEVER!
 
 There are a number of other documentation problems in chocolate-doom which
 I could fix, if the release team would approve them for wheezy. They are:
 
  obsolete-field-in-dep5-copyright maintainer upstream-contact (paragraph at 
  line 1)
  obsolete-field-in-dep5-copyright name upstream-name (paragraph at line 1)
  obsolete-field-in-dep5-copyright format-specification format (paragraph at 
  line 1)
  comma-separated-files-in-dep5-copyright paragraph at line 19
  missing-license-paragraph-in-dep5-copyright public domain (paragraph at 
  line 69)
  duplicate-changelog-files usr/share/doc/chocolate-doom/ChangeLog.gz 
  usr/share/doc/chocolate-doom/changelog.gz
 
 If the release team would be prepared to accept fixes for the above into
 wheezy, I'll do a -3 upload to unstable fixing them all.  Please only unblock
 -2 if you are happy to fix the Uploaders issue *but not* any of the above.
 
 FINALLY!
 
 I could also fix
 
  out-of-date-standards-version 3.9.1 (current is 3.9.3)
 
 at the same time, which is almost certainly only a documentation fix too,
 but for some reason I'd be more hesitant to do that.
 
 
 Thank you in advance.
 
 
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Re: hdd failing messages false positive or failure

2012-11-27 Thread Jon Dowland
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 11:53:46AM -0500, Brian West wrote:
 do the pre fails mean im failing or is this a false positive. should
 i replace the esata cable thanks for the help.

Make sure the cable is seated properly. It might be worth trying another
cable too. If you don't have backups yet, make them as a priority.

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Bug#694520: chocolate-doom: there are no humans in Maintainer:/Uploaders: fields

2012-11-27 Thread Jon Dowland
Package: chocolate-doom
Version: 1.7.0-1
Severity: serious
Justification: policy section 3.3

There are no humans in the Uploaders or Maintainers fields for this
version of the package, which is a policy violation.

-- System Information:
Debian Release: wheezy/sid
  APT prefers testing
  APT policy: (750, 'testing'), (700, 'stable'), (600, 'unstable'), (1, 
'experimental')
Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)
Foreign Architectures: i386

Kernel: Linux 3.2.0-4-amd64 (SMP w/4 CPU cores)
Locale: LANG=en_GB.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_GB.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash

Versions of packages prboom depends on:
ii  libc6 2.13-35
ii  libgl1-mesa-glx [libgl1]  8.0.4-2
ii  libglu1-mesa [libglu1]8.0.4-2
ii  libpng12-01.2.49-1
ii  libsdl-mixer1.2   1.2.12-3
ii  libsdl-net1.2 1.2.8-2
ii  libsdl1.2debian   1.2.15-5

Versions of packages prboom recommends:
ii  freedoom [boom-wad]  0.8~beta1-1
pn  timidity none

Versions of packages prboom suggests:
ii  game-data-packager  32

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Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release

2012-11-27 Thread Jon Dowland
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 08:19:01PM +, Russell L. Harris wrote:
 The best solution for the I must have the very latest, and I must have
 it now crowd is to switch over to Ubuntu.  You can have it right, or
 you can have it now, but seldom can you have it right now.

I must have the very latest… and predictable release times are not
the same thing.


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how many users is enough? (was Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)

2012-11-27 Thread Jon Dowland
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:39:54AM +, Russell L. Harris wrote:
  Let's welcome more (I assume we do want more users on our base, don't
  we?
 
 There needs to be a critical mass; but beyond that point, an
 increase in numbers is not necessarily beneficial.

Agreed for 'mere' users, but another factor is how many users become
useful contributors. A conversion rate, if you will. And you can
compensate for a poor conversion rate, to a certain extent, by having
more users. I think we have a poor conversion rate in Debian, and not
enough contributors.


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sh (was Re: About standards Was: Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)

2012-11-27 Thread Jon Dowland
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 11:30:20AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 Also very nice is the output of
 
 $ ls -l /bin/sh
 
 for Ubuntu it's not bash.

For modern Debian installations it's not bash either. Switching /bin/sh
to dash by default was done principally to make boot times quicker (dash
is smaller and faster to load than bash).

Are you actually running Debian, at the moment? I've seen a few statements
about you running Ubuntu, or Arch, or similar, and I often wonder why you are
posting to debian-user in that case… of course you may be using more than one,
in different places. Just curious.


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shells (was Re: About standards Was: Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)

2012-11-27 Thread Jon Dowland
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:53:30PM +0100, Morel Bérenger wrote:
 People can use other things than bash, I do not see the problem. And I
 think that someday I'll try zsh or csh. When I'll have the time :D

You should go really left-field and try rc! (but not for /bin/sh.)


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Re: sh (was Re: About standards Was: Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)

2012-11-27 Thread Jon Dowland
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 02:29:15PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 Does it really carry weight?

With sysvinit, which spawns a lot of sh instances, yes. With something like
systemd, no - it tries to solve the same problem in part by not spawning a
shell lots of times.


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Re: Dying hard drive?

2012-11-27 Thread Jon Dowland
First and foremost, double check that your SATA cables are properly
secure.

Install smartctl and run smartctl -a /dev/$disk0 (where $disk0
is e.g. sda); check to see if any of the various SMART attributes
indicate a problem.

Run a short, then a long SMART self test

  smartctl -t short /dev/$disk0
  smartctl -t long  /dev/$disk0

Note that long tests take a LONG time, and you might be best leaving
it running and not using the disk much at the same time. It is an
online test, but it can be noisy.


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Re: shells (was Re: About standards Was: Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)

2012-11-27 Thread Jon Dowland
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:17:50PM -0300, Beco wrote:
 Never heard of it. What is rc?

A shell. It's packaged in Debian, oddly enough in package 'rc'.
May I suggest you try apt-cache show rc, or google?


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Re: sh (was Re: About standards Was: Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)

2012-11-27 Thread Jon Dowland
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 03:11:54PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
 Thanks for the information, Jon.  I hadn't realised that!  I've merrily 
 carried on using bash. :-/

Bash is a lot friendlier and better suited as a login or interactive
shell. The startup time is not so important for that situation.


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Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release

2012-11-27 Thread Jon Dowland
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 03:24:07PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
 And I'd *really* like to continue having stable software, and no release till
 it's ready.

I don't think those two things are incompatible with each other.

 One of the many things that I dislike about Ubuntu, is its habit of releasing 
 on time, and then ironing the bugs out afterwards.

Yes. That's not what I want.


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Re: UEFI install

2012-11-27 Thread Jon Dowland
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 08:47:47PM +0100, Erwan David wrote:
 I got a new Lenovo T530, I added a SSD as second disk, and now have a
 win7, UEFI boot on MBR partitionned sdb disk.
 
 I tried latest beta installer for wheezy (beta4), but it could not boot
 in UEFI mode
 
 (I got a text menu writtent on the right of the screen, then after
 selecting an entry Error, no suitable mode found, then reboot...)

Is that immediately? Do you get a prompt to choose graphical install
or text install (or rescue) first? If not, I guess the issue is grub2
failing to draw (it would appear d-i uses grub2 as part of its boot
chain nowadays. I'm installing Debian via d-i beta4 as I write,
incidentally, on a blank SSD. It's put a GPT table on and an EFI boot
partition, w/o there being another OS.)

 Is there a way for me to install a debian double boot without first
 reinstalling the windows ?

I'm sure we'll find a way :-)

 (and if someone knows what and how I could report the UEFI boot problems
 to the D-I team, i'd be glad to give them all info I can).

It's worth doing so, either mail to debian-boot@ or a bug report (but I
forget which package that should be filed against. Possibly
installation-reports?)


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Re: How to prevent daemons from starting at boot after update?

2012-11-27 Thread Jon Dowland
One option would be to install and use systemd. Afaik with systemd,
one can use socket-based activation: that is, systemd listens on the
socket that your daemons will use and only starts those daemons if
something connects. You may need to manually configure that behaviour,
I don't know whether systemd in debian at present uses socket activation
for most daemons or not.


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Re: shells (was Re: About standards Was: Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)

2012-11-27 Thread Jon Dowland
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 03:43:00PM -0300, Beco wrote:
 I tried google, but without more keywords, rc was too little to search.

Good point, sorry.


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Re: Dying hard drive?

2012-11-27 Thread Jon Dowland
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 02:50:39PM -0600, Nelson Green wrote:
 197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   
 Always   -   12

I think this is bad.

 Num  Test_Description    Status  Remaining  LifeTime(hours)  
 LBA_of_first_error
 # 1  Short offline   Completed: read failure   90%  2718 
 529598095
 # 2  Short offline   Completed: read failure   90%  2718 
 529598095
 # 3  Short offline   Completed: read failure   90%  2718 
 529598095

Definitely bad. Time to get a new disk :)

 $ sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdb
...
 197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   
 Always   -   0

example of healthy


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Re: Bug#692506: unblock: chocolate-doom/1.7.0-2 (but please see inside!)

2012-11-27 Thread Jon Dowland
Hi, just a ping for this - I hadn't filed a bug for the issue that the
unblock would resolve, I have now - #694520

On Tue, Nov 06, 2012 at 09:53:38PM +, Jon Dowland wrote:
 Package: release.debian.org
 Severity: normal
 User: release.debian@packages.debian.org
 Usertags: unblock
 
 Hi,
 
 I've just uploaded chocolate-doom/1.7.0-2, with one fix, a documentation
 fix only:
 
  * Add myself back to uploaders.
 
 1.7.0-1 has no humans in Maintainer and no Uploaders which is a policy
 violation.
 
 HOWEVER!
 
 There are a number of other documentation problems in chocolate-doom which
 I could fix, if the release team would approve them for wheezy. They are:
 
  obsolete-field-in-dep5-copyright maintainer upstream-contact (paragraph at 
  line 1)
  obsolete-field-in-dep5-copyright name upstream-name (paragraph at line 1)
  obsolete-field-in-dep5-copyright format-specification format (paragraph at 
  line 1)
  comma-separated-files-in-dep5-copyright paragraph at line 19
  missing-license-paragraph-in-dep5-copyright public domain (paragraph at 
  line 69)
  duplicate-changelog-files usr/share/doc/chocolate-doom/ChangeLog.gz 
  usr/share/doc/chocolate-doom/changelog.gz
 
 If the release team would be prepared to accept fixes for the above into
 wheezy, I'll do a -3 upload to unstable fixing them all.  Please only unblock
 -2 if you are happy to fix the Uploaders issue *but not* any of the above.
 
 FINALLY!
 
 I could also fix
 
  out-of-date-standards-version 3.9.1 (current is 3.9.3)
 
 at the same time, which is almost certainly only a documentation fix too,
 but for some reason I'd be more hesitant to do that.
 
 
 Thank you in advance.
 
 
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