RE: [Alsa-devel] hdsp multiface pci.

2003-01-22 Thread Mark Knecht
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Roger > Williams > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 10:31 AM > To: Paul Davis > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Alsa-devel] hdsp multiface pci. > &

Re: [Alsa-devel] hdsp multiface pci.

2003-01-22 Thread Paul Davis
>Yes, I understand that that's what the driver is _supposed_ to do. >That's how it works on my HDSP PCI and Cardbus systems. But isn't it >true that the current driver doesn't actually set up any of those >zero-gain connections for the HDSP 9652? well, it attempts to, but its writing to the wrong

Re: [Alsa-devel] hdsp multiface pci.

2003-01-22 Thread Roger Williams
> Paul Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> This would explain why snd_hdsp works (i.e. you can playback and >> record through the default I/O), although amixer doesn't do >> anything: the driver doesn't have to set up any default >> connections, because those are part of the FPGA rese

Re: [Alsa-devel] hdsp multiface pci.

2003-01-22 Thread Paul Davis
>This would explain why snd_hdsp works (i.e. you can playback and >record through the default I/O), although amixer doesn't do anything: >the driver doesn't have to set up any default connections, because >those are part of the FPGA reset state. I would be surprised if actually, the driver does h

Re: [Alsa-devel] hdsp multiface pci.

2003-01-20 Thread Roger Williams
> Thinking about it this morning though, it seems to me that > possibly the default routing of audio doesn't go through the mixer > at all? I'm quite sure that all output connections (from either the inputs or the playback channels) are made through the HDSP mixer. However, it's quite possi

Re: [Alsa-devel] hdsp multiface pci.

2003-01-20 Thread markknecht
Roger, I'm in the office right now, so I'll pop home at noon PST and happily try out things. Yesterday the only thing were you seemed to differ with me on my description of things was how Alsa_pcm:playback signals got to the physical outputs. I said they were hooked up automatically, by

Re: [Alsa-devel] hdsp multiface pci.

2003-01-20 Thread markknecht
Roger, I'm just using an AI-3 for now. Nothing fancy. Paul Davis told me maybe 2 months ago that RME had not provided him with the programming information for the mixer, but when I purchased the card I didn't realize the disconnect was quite this fundamental. Live an learn. Maybe one d

Re: [Alsa-devel] hdsp multiface pci.

2003-01-20 Thread Roger Williams
> Mark Knecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >When I tried some amixer commands I was disappointed to find that > they do nothing at all on my machine. No command I tried seems to > control volume to my headphones or speakers at all. >I guess the HDSP 9652 is not supported at thi

Re: [Alsa-devel] hdsp multiface pci.

2003-01-20 Thread Roger Williams
> Marcus Andersson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The panners and the output faders are mapped to the matrix mixer > controls by the TotalMix software. They have no correspondence in > hardware. Thanks for the confirmation, Marcus. That's what I suspected. -- Roger Williams <[EMAIL PR

Re: [Alsa-devel] hdsp multiface pci.

2003-01-20 Thread Mark Knecht
Roger, First, thanks for taking time to follow this through with me. This has been helpful and I do at least feel like I'm starting to understand what the software is tying to do. When I tried some amixer commands I was disappointed to find that they do nothing at all on my machine. No comma

Re: [Alsa-devel] hdsp multiface pci.

2003-01-20 Thread Marcus Andersson
Roger Williams wrote: > > They provide a fairly clear picture of what the hardware can do; but > it doesn't map exactly to the amixer behaviour I see. Specifically, I > haven't figured out how to adjust the output faders (between each > output and its dedicated buss) or the input pans (each input

Re: [Alsa-devel] hdsp multiface pci.

2003-01-19 Thread Roger Williams
Mark, have you looked at the block diagrams of the HDSP mixer in the HDSP manuals, or read the technical overview of the HDSP mixer hardware at http://www.rme-audio.de/english/techinfo/hdsp_tmhard.htm ? They provide a fairly clear picture of what the hardware can do; but it doesn't map exactly to

Re: [Alsa-devel] hdsp multiface pci.

2003-01-19 Thread Roger Williams
> Mark Knecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I can think of my HDSP mixer as a device with 52 inputs and 26 > outputs. In the case of the 9652, you don't have headphone outputs, so you don't have the Digiface's 27th and 28th outputs. > 1) 26 mixer inputs come from the HDSP's physical i

Re: [Alsa-devel] hdsp multiface pci.

2003-01-19 Thread Mark Knecht
Roger, I think the light is just starting to turn on, or at least I can only hope... ;-) See if you can help me improve the following description. I can think of my HDSP mixer as a device with 52 inputs and 26 outputs. The inputs look like: 1) 26 mixer inputs come from the HDSP's physical i

Re: [Alsa-devel] hdsp multiface pci.

2003-01-19 Thread Roger Williams
> Mark Knecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > This is very, very helpful. What will be "very, very helpful" will be Thomas's TotalMix clone! :) > ... it appears that the MultiFace has a slightly different > numbering system for your analog channels, starting with 0-7 > instead of what

Re: [Alsa-devel] hdsp multiface pci.

2003-01-19 Thread Mark Knecht
Roger, This is very, very helpful. Thanks for sharing this info. I am trying to do similar things with the HDSP 9652, which is similar but a bit different, I'd like to address a couple more things. (Darn...Tennessee just scored!) :-((( 7-7 I just want to clearly understand the physical I/O

Re: [Alsa-devel] hdsp multiface pci.

2003-01-19 Thread Roger Williams
Is there a single amixer control to reset all of the HDSP mixer registers? I recall that there's some mechanism for resetting the HDSP (other than re-installing the module), but I can't find it now. For now, I use scripts like this to configure the mixer paths: #!/bin/bash # mute all Multiface a

Re: [Alsa-devel] hdsp multiface pci.

2003-01-19 Thread Roger Williams
> Mark Knecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> amixer cset numid=5 26,26,16384 >> amixer cset numid=5 28,26,16384 >> amixer cset numid=5 30,26,16384 >> amixer cset numid=5 32,26,16384 >> amixer cset numid=5 27,27,16384 >> amixer cset numid=5 29,27,16384 >> amixer cset numid=5 31,27

Re: [Alsa-devel] hdsp multiface pci.

2003-01-19 Thread Mark Knecht
On Sun, 2003-01-19 at 17:00, Roger Williams wrote: > > Patrick Shirkey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Can we route multiple software outputs to the same hardware output? > > Yes. For instance, when recording 8 tracks, I'll generate a monitor > mix (for JACK's outputs) to outputs 1 & 2 l

Re: [Alsa-devel] hdsp multiface pci.

2003-01-19 Thread Thomas Charbonnel
On Sun, 2003-01-19 at 09:23, Mark Knecht wrote: > Thomas, >I have possibly more than a passing interest in this subject as I use > the HDSP 9652 card that Patrick mentioned and find this whole amixer > language completely unfathomable. > >In your quote above, could you outline what each pa

Re: [Alsa-devel] hdsp multiface pci.

2003-01-19 Thread Thomas Charbonnel
On Sun, 2003-01-19 at 17:33, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > I have added it as an editors note on the hdsp page. Thanks. > so it's default is a fifo? > > i.e software output 26 -> analog output 1 > software output 27 -> analog output 2 > Strangely said, but yes. > Therefore can I do thi

Re: [Alsa-devel] hdsp multiface pci.

2003-01-19 Thread Patrick Shirkey
Patrick Shirkey wrote: Thomas Charbonnel wrote: You have to understand that software outputs are not directly related to physical outputs. On simpler hardware, software and physical outputs can be considered the same. On the hdsp system, thanks to the internal matrix mixer, software outputs ar

Re: [Alsa-devel] hdsp multiface pci.

2003-01-19 Thread Roger Williams
> Patrick Shirkey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Can we route multiple software outputs to the same hardware output? Yes. For instance, when recording 8 tracks, I'll generate a monitor mix (for JACK's outputs) to outputs 1 & 2 like this: amixer cset numid=5 26,26,16384 amixer cset numid=5

Re: [Alsa-devel] hdsp multiface pci.

2003-01-19 Thread Patrick Shirkey
Thomas Charbonnel wrote: You have to understand that software outputs are not directly related to physical outputs. On simpler hardware, software and physical outputs can be considered the same. On the hdsp system, thanks to the internal matrix mixer, software outputs are totally abstracted from

Re: [Alsa-devel] hdsp multiface pci.

2003-01-19 Thread Mark Knecht
On Sun, 2003-01-19 at 16:07, Thomas Charbonnel wrote: > > So the "numid=5 26,26,16384" line says: > connect software output 1 (called "playback" in the above table) to line > out left, as the syntax of the call is input_source,output_source,value. > Thomas, I have possibly more than a passing

Re: [Alsa-devel] hdsp multiface pci.

2003-01-19 Thread Thomas Charbonnel
On Sun, 2003-01-19 at 16:29, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > Sorry I'm not fully grasping this. Why are 26 and 27 directly related to > alsa_pcm:playback_1 and _2? > > I thought from reading the notes on the hdsp page that pcm1 and pcm2 > would be numbers 0 and 1 not 26 and 27. > > eg. > == > Sin

Re: [Alsa-devel] hdsp multiface pci.

2003-01-19 Thread Patrick Shirkey
Another question. What are each of these? IEC958 Playback Con Mask IEC958 Playback Pro Mask Chn IEC958 Input Connector IEC958 Output also on ADAT1 IEC958 Playback Default Input Peak Input RMS Line Out Mixer Output Peak Passthru Playback Peak Playback RMS Preferred Sync Source

Re: [Alsa-devel] hdsp multiface pci.

2003-01-19 Thread Patrick Shirkey
Thomas Charbonnel wrote: On Sun, 2003-01-19 at 13:08, Patrick Shirkey wrote: Using latest cvs, I have been trying to get this device working for my friend. We have had some success but it is unreliable. We could get sound out of the lineout port after using this command amixer -D hw:0 cset n

Re: [Alsa-devel] hdsp multiface pci.

2003-01-19 Thread Thomas Charbonnel
On Sun, 2003-01-19 at 13:08, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > Using latest cvs, I have been trying to get this device working for my > friend. We have had some success but it is unreliable. > > We could get sound out of the lineout port after using this command > > amixer -D hw:0 cset numid=5 0,0,1638

[Alsa-devel] hdsp multiface pci.

2003-01-19 Thread Patrick Shirkey
Using latest cvs, I have been trying to get this device working for my friend. We have had some success but it is unreliable. We could get sound out of the lineout port after using this command amixer -D hw:0 cset numid=5 0,0,16384 numid=5,iface=PCM,name='Mixer' ; type=INTEGER,access=rw---,v