Re: [Alsa-user] Output latency

2008-06-11 Thread Clemens Ladisch
stan wrote: Florian Faber wrote: You want hardware monitoring - there are sound cards that support hardware mixing. With good converters you have latencies down to 5 samples at 192kHz, that would be 0.026ms for each way, 0.052ms over all. I'm not the original poster, but I'm curious

Re: [Alsa-user] Output latency

2008-06-11 Thread Clemens Ladisch
Alexander Carôt wrote: 3.) Rather than using a double buffer for the playout wouldn't it be possible to choose only one physical playout buffer and parse the captured data in right at the interrupt. It's unlikely that any code could be fast enough to write the entire buffer before the hardware

[Alsa-user] Audio hardware with pause support

2008-06-11 Thread Florian Winter
Hi, The snd_pcm_pause function of the ALSA API is not supported on all audio hardware. Is there an official list (e.g. on the web) of known sound hardware, which supports this feature? Is there another way to determine whether a certain hardware supports snd_pcm_pause without having to test

Re: [Alsa-user] Audio hardware with pause support

2008-06-11 Thread Clemens Ladisch
Florian Winter wrote: Is there another way to determine whether a certain hardware supports snd_pcm_pause without having to test the hardware? $ grep -rl SNDRV_PCM_INFO_PAUSE sound sound/arm/pxa2xx-pcm.c sound/arm/sa11xx-uda1341.c sound/core/pcm_native.c sound/drivers/vx/vx_pcm.c

Re: [Alsa-user] Audio hardware with pause support

2008-06-11 Thread Florian Winter
Thanks for the hint, Clemens. If I interpret this information correctly, then it seems that many different sound drivers actually support pause, and consequently many audio architectures have the functionality as well (or it is emulated by the drivers). The real problem is the dmix plugin. In

Re: [Alsa-user] snd-dummy 2nd card

2008-06-11 Thread Dominique Michel
Le Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:47:58 +0300, alexander merkulov [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : need to setup 2nd dummy card how to do it? You must add some device definitions in /etc/modules.d/alsa (or whatever file your distribution is using): ## ALSA portion alias snd-card-0 snd-... options snd-...

Re: [Alsa-user] Output latency

2008-06-11 Thread Helge Fredriksen
Did you try the settings in /etc/security/limits.conf suggested on the Frinika front page? (http://frinika.sourceforge.net). I noticed quite some difference in delay for Terratec Aureon 5.1 Fun cards using JavaSound. Helge F. On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Clemens Ladisch [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Alsa-user] Output latency

2008-06-11 Thread Alexander Carôt
Hi Helge, what we actually discuss is more a principle of the driver related to buffer management and in how far this could reduce the latency. But thanks anyway ! -- A l e x Original-Nachricht Datum: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:06:27 +0200 Von: Helge Fredriksen [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Alsa-user] Output latency

2008-06-11 Thread Alexander Carôt
Hi Jochen, 2. use a lower frame size, than my codec/systems framing. (e.g. 128 instead of 256, but still transmit 256 in one pass) Yes - a good idea, however, sometimes depending on the actual machine and OS (or even low-latency patches) problems might occur when running below 256

[Alsa-user] Output sample rate

2008-06-11 Thread Grant
Where is my output sample rate defined? I'm trying to make sure mpd isn't resampling my music before it's sent to the USB DAC. - Grant - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell

Re: [Alsa-user] Output sample rate

2008-06-11 Thread stan
Grant wrote: Where is my output sample rate defined? I'm trying to make sure mpd isn't resampling my music before it's sent to the USB DAC. If you are playing audio that is in recognized format the rate is defined within the audio file itself and was set at time of creation. If you want

Re: [Alsa-user] Output sample rate

2008-06-11 Thread Sergei Steshenko
-Original Message- From: Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: alsa-user@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:35:42 -0700 Subject: [Alsa-user] Output sample rate Where is my output sample rate defined? I'm trying to make sure mpd isn't resampling my music before it's sent to the

Re: [Alsa-user] Output sample rate

2008-06-11 Thread Rene Herman
On 12-06-08 00:35, Grant wrote: Where is my output sample rate defined? I'm trying to make sure mpd isn't resampling my music before it's sent to the USB DAC. Check /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/sub0/hw_params while mpd is playing (for a suitable value of (0,0,0) ofcourse). Rene.

Re: [Alsa-user] Output sample rate

2008-06-11 Thread Rene Herman
On 12-06-08 02:17, Sergei Steshenko wrote: From: Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Where is my output sample rate defined? I'm trying to make sure mpd isn't resampling my music before it's sent to the USB DAC. I initiated a similar thread recently. The short answer - nowhere. As I was

Re: [Alsa-user] Output sample rate

2008-06-11 Thread Sergei Steshenko
-Original Message- From: Rene Herman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sergei Steshenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 04:12:58 +0200 Subject: Re: [Alsa-user] Output sample rate The sampling rate is a property inherent to the data. Rene. ??? Are trying to tell me that sample rate is

Re: [Alsa-user] snd-dummy 2nd card

2008-06-11 Thread Rene Herman
On 11-06-08 17:41, Dominique Michel wrote: Le Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:47:58 +0300, alexander merkulov [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : need to setup 2nd dummy card how to do it? You must add some device definitions in /etc/modules.d/alsa (or whatever file your distribution is using): ## ALSA

Re: [Alsa-user] Output sample rate

2008-06-11 Thread Rene Herman
On 12-06-08 05:52, Sergei Steshenko wrote: From: Rene Herman [EMAIL PROTECTED] The sampling rate is a property inherent to the data. Are trying to tell me that sample rate is inherent to analog source connected to microphone or line input ? Oh, not again... please get a clue. DATA. Rene.

Re: [Alsa-user] Output sample rate

2008-06-11 Thread Sergei Steshenko
-Original Message- From: Rene Herman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sergei Steshenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 05:55:40 +0200 Subject: Re: [Alsa-user] Output sample rate On 12-06-08 05:52, Sergei Steshenko wrote: From: Rene Herman [EMAIL PROTECTED] The sampling rate is

Re: [Alsa-user] Output sample rate

2008-06-11 Thread Rene Herman
On 12-06-08 06:30, Sergei Steshenko wrote: Yes again - to me ALSA's sample rate implementation looks quite illogical - IMO it should be the other way round - user first mandates sample rate, and then playback sources adapt through resampling if necessary. Great setup once we have infinitely

Re: [Alsa-user] Output sample rate

2008-06-11 Thread Pete Black
Its very simple. Most sound devices support a number of sample rates. Common ones include 16 bit @ 44.1khz, 16-bit @ 48khz, 24-bit @ 96 khz etc. Only one application has exclusive control over the sound hardware at any time. Whatever rate that application opens the soundcard at, is the rate

Re: [Alsa-user] Output sample rate

2008-06-11 Thread Rene Herman
On 12-06-08 06:53, Pete Black wrote: Its very simple. Most sound devices support a number of sample rates. Common ones include 16 bit @ 44.1khz, 16-bit @ 48khz, 24-bit @ 96 khz etc. Only one application has exclusive control over the sound hardware at any time. Whatever rate that

Re: [Alsa-user] Output sample rate

2008-06-11 Thread Demian Martin
Computer audio and sample rate issues are popping up everywhere, driven by the desire for high quality audio on PC's finally. On Windows and Mac's its even harder to get it right. In Alsa (and PC audio architecture in general) the system has a default sample rate, usually set by the driver it

Re: [Alsa-user] Output sample rate

2008-06-11 Thread Pete Black
dmix *is* an application, conceptually it is not different to esd, artsd or pulseaudio opening the ALSA hardware directly. It just happens to be an ALSA plugin and is a part of the signal chain that ALSA-lib sets up by default. You can either: a) configure dmix using a custom .asoundrc to

Re: [Alsa-user] Output sample rate

2008-06-11 Thread Rene Herman
On 12-06-08 07:13, Demian Martin wrote: Computer audio and sample rate issues are popping up everywhere, driven by the desire for high quality audio on PC's finally. On Windows and Mac's its even harder to get it right. In Alsa (and PC audio architecture in general) the system has a

Re: [Alsa-user] Output sample rate

2008-06-11 Thread Rene Herman
On 12-06-08 07:17, Pete Black wrote: dmix *is* an application, conceptually it is not different [ ... ] Let's call it a conceptlication then. As said, your basic description was correct. Rene. - Check out the new