Re: level 1 does not behave as level 1

2014-03-03 Thread Charles Stroom
Thanks, and indeed my investigations into possible a/m/ctime problems were a red herring. Something learned. Regards, Charles On Sun, 2 Mar 2014 18:48:03 -0500 Nathan Stratton Treadway natha...@ontko.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 10:53:07 +0100, Charles Stroom wrote: I than repeated

Re: level 1 does not behave as level 1 - last message(?)

2014-03-03 Thread Charles Stroom
When installing suse 13.1, there is the option to encrypt the particular LV in its entirety. That is what I selected. This was done for several LVs used, not for the root volume and /boot. As my knowledge of linux is not very deep, that is all I can tell you. On the other hand, if it was only

Re: level 1 does not behave as level 1 - last message(?)

2014-03-02 Thread Charles Stroom
My amanda backup seems now to be working normally. This evening, the 4th scheduled amdump finished properly. And of course, as usual, principally it was a matter of RTFM. Pondering about why my previous amanda (3.3.2) setup was working on my previous suse 11.4 and not any more now in suse

Re: Testing tar with amdump was(level 1 does not behave as level 1)

2014-03-02 Thread Nathan Stratton Treadway
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 01:44:07 +0100, Charles Stroom wrote: you say that files in the gnutar-lists contain the datestamp/stat of the files backed-up? How can I see the contents of these files, because they are binary files? Is there a specific am* command? Sorry this reply is so late, but

Re: level 1 does not behave as level 1

2014-03-02 Thread Nathan Stratton Treadway
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 10:53:07 +0100, Charles Stroom wrote: I than repeated the whole sequence, with the --atime-preserve=replace added, and there is no change: again full incremental backup. And than again but now with --atime-preserve=system and now this works! Right. If you include

Re: level 1 does not behave as level 1 - last message(?)

2014-03-02 Thread Nathan Stratton Treadway
On Sun, Mar 02, 2014 at 21:57:59 +0100, Charles Stroom wrote: behaved as it should. Strange that in fact the encryption seems to make the difference, not the LVM/Raid. I had seen this remark on device numbers before, but my knowledge is too limited to have grasped the effects. You didn't say

Re: level 1 does not behave as level 1 - last message(?)

2014-03-02 Thread Nathan Stratton Treadway
On Sun, Mar 02, 2014 at 19:20:30 -0500, Nathan Stratton Treadway wrote: On Sun, Mar 02, 2014 at 21:57:59 +0100, Charles Stroom wrote: but then not working in the next scheduled amdump. Until I realised that all my tests were done one after the other, but the amdump was done after the PC was

Testing tar with amdump was(level 1 does not behave as level 1)

2014-02-27 Thread Charles Stroom
Testing my problem has taken nearly 2 weeks, also because my quick tests with tar options but on smaller directories do not produce the erroneous results as the full amdumps do, which take long times. The tests were also rather haphazard. I might try to identify the problems, but will do so more

Re: level 1 does not behave as level 1 - last message(?)

2014-02-26 Thread Charles Stroom
and this evening the first scheduled backup and it failed miserably with exactly the same symptoms as before: all level 1 DLEs are equal in size to a level 0, with the exception of only 2 DLEs (and heaven may know why!) I think I give up. Regards, Charles On Wed, 26 Feb 2014 00:54:09 +0100

Re: level 1 does not behave as level 1

2014-02-25 Thread Charles Stroom
I am now just testing tar, without amanda and I get the following results (just following the gnu doc): charles@fiume:~ tar --create --file=/tmp/wine_docs_0.tar --listed-incremental=/tmp/wine_docs.snar wine_docs/ charles@fiume:~ ll -tr /tmp .. -rw-r--r-- 1 charles users 379944960 Feb 25 10:27

Re: level 1 does not behave as level 1

2014-02-25 Thread Jean-Louis Martineau
Charles, Can you post the output of the 'stat' command of one of the file before the level 1 backup and after the the level 1 backup, to see what changed. Jean-Louis On 02/25/2014 04:53 AM, Charles Stroom wrote: I am now just testing tar, without amanda and I get the following results (just

Re: level 1 does not behave as level 1

2014-02-25 Thread Charles Stroom
Jean-Louis, It's getting complicated, because in my previous post below I reported that with option --atime-preserve=system a level 1 tar incremental worked. However, some time later it didn't work any more, so it is really unpredictable. I have repeated part of below with some stat in between.

Re: level 1 does not behave as level 1 - last message(?)

2014-02-25 Thread Charles Stroom
As said, I changed to tar 1.27 and now the problem has disappeared. I cleaned all what was necessary and started with a full backup on all DLEs. There was some strange tar message on the single dle at the external client stremen (... /usr/local/bin/tar exited with status 2 ..), but as this was a

Re: level 1 does not behave as level 1

2014-02-24 Thread Paul Yeatman
Hi Charles, These files do contain file meta data in my understanding but they are in a data format, as you notice. I am not sure how file info can be obtained in a human readable format from the file. Paul On Mon, 2014-02-24 at 01:44 +0100, Charles Stroom wrote: Hi Paul, you say that

Re: level 1 does not behave as level 1

2014-02-24 Thread Charles Stroom
The more I read about this, the more confused I get. I noted in my previous email that DLE home-charles behaved properly when it was dumping in level 1. For testing and to see what is actually running I am now using amdump on a single DLE as: /usr/sbin/amdump --no-taper daily_dds4 fiume.localnet

Re: level 1 does not behave as level 1

2014-02-24 Thread Jon LaBadie
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 12:58:21AM +0100, Charles Stroom wrote: ... no tape, goes faster. The ps showed: root 7728 7723 2 00:13 ?00:00:04 /bin/tar --create --file - --directory /home/charles --one-file-system --listed-incremental

Re: level 1 does not behave as level 1

2014-02-23 Thread Charles Stroom
Jon and Paul, many thanks for your suggestions. I started off looking at the gnutar-lists directory and found many entries dated from before my cleaning operation (that included as per FAQ reset its databases so as to start from scratch). So I reset it again and emptied also the gnutar-lists. I

Re: level 1 does not behave as level 1

2014-02-23 Thread Charles Stroom
Hi Paul, you say that files in the gnutar-lists contain the datestamp/stat of the files backed-up? How can I see the contents of these files, because they are binary files? Is there a specific am* command? Regards, Charles On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 19:06:40 -0800 Paul Yeatman

Re: level 1 does not behave as level 1

2014-02-23 Thread Jon LaBadie
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 12:44:23AM +0100, Charles Stroom wrote: Jon and Paul, many thanks for your suggestions. I started off looking at the gnutar-lists directory and found many entries dated from before my cleaning operation (that included as per FAQ reset its databases so as to start from

Re: level 1 does not behave as level 1

2014-02-23 Thread Jon LaBadie
Had another thought. All the files you back up are read; by tar! Can you check your logfiles for the options tar uses, both when doing the actual dumps and during the estimate phase. Gnutar has a --atime-preserve option. Tar notes the a/mtime stamps and after backing up the file it resets the

Re: level 1 does not behave as level 1

2014-02-22 Thread Jon LaBadie
On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 12:52:28AM +0100, Charles Stroom wrote: Hi all, on 20 Feb, I have been running my first backup after cleanup the test results (amanda 3.3.5 compiled on opensuse 13.1). As expected, the 13 DLEs were all level 0, exceeded the capacity of my DDS4 backup tape and I

level 1 does not behave as level 1

2014-02-21 Thread Charles Stroom
Hi all, on 20 Feb, I have been running my first backup after cleanup the test results (amanda 3.3.5 compiled on opensuse 13.1). As expected, the 13 DLEs were all level 0, exceeded the capacity of my DDS4 backup tape and I needed 2 flushes to get it all on tape. Below the dump summary of the

Re: level 1 does not behave as level 1

2014-02-21 Thread Paul Yeatman
Hi Charles, This can happen from time to time although I have yet to see tar be the reason for the blame. Also, the tar being used is the one on the client so, presuming this is unchanged, it should be working the same as it was on that client with the previous Amanda server and version. Amanda