Re: Win32 client (was: Re: Amanda GUI)

2003-11-05 Thread JC Simonetti
[...] But in the testing so far, we're finding some odd results: * The actual program that the Win32 client uses to do the backups appears to be an NT port of tar. But trying to restore a file made from that backup on a FreeBSD system generates a message saying that the file does

Re: Win32 client (was: Re: Amanda GUI)

2003-11-05 Thread David Wolfskill
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 10:26:37AM +0100, JC Simonetti wrote: [...] But in the testing so far, we're finding some odd results: * The actual program that the Win32 client uses to do the backups appears to be an NT port of tar. But trying to restore a file made from that backup

Re: Win32 client (was: Re: Amanda GUI)

2003-11-05 Thread JC Simonetti
On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 04:52:33 -0800 David Wolfskill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 10:26:37AM +0100, JC Simonetti wrote: [...] But in the testing so far, we're finding some odd results: * The actual program that the Win32 client uses to do the backups appears

Re: Win32 client (was: Re: Amanda GUI)

2003-11-05 Thread Jon LaBadie
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 02:36:46PM +0100, JC Simonetti wrote: The 2 other solutions are : ... 2. Cygwin and the Amanda source code: very functional but you have to install a Linux emulator on your Windows box... I don't like the idea (what would you say if I told you that you have to

Re: Win32 client (was: Re: Amanda GUI)

2003-11-05 Thread David Wolfskill
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 02:36:46PM +0100, JC Simonetti wrote: On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 04:52:33 -0800 David Wolfskill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wasn't aware that the Win32 environment was sufficiently special that tar archives were unportable between that and normal (UNIX) environments. It's

Re: Win32 client (was: Re: Amanda GUI)

2003-11-05 Thread JC Simonetti
without a full IDE. Amanda Win32 Sourceforge project IS based on a mingw solution.

Re: Win32 client (was: Re: Amanda GUI)

2003-11-05 Thread Jon LaBadie
, the mingw package would be another way to build the selfcheck/true executable without a full IDE. Amanda Win32 Sourceforge project IS based on a mingw solution. Ahh, nevermind :) -- Jon H. LaBadie [EMAIL PROTECTED] JG Computing 4455 Province Line Road(609) 252-0159

Re: Win32 client (was: Re: Amanda GUI)

2003-11-05 Thread Todd Kover
to develop in/for the win32 environment.) It would be Nice(tm) if, aas an additional result, it would be possible to do an amrecover from the UNIX side against a backup created in the win32 side and have a reasonable expectation that some arbitrary set of the files could be restored. It's

Win32 client (was: Re: Amanda GUI)

2003-11-04 Thread David Wolfskill
the systems I care about (FreeBSD) and the Microsoft environments -- as well as seeing the ugly messages about data overruns from the proprietary product (vs. the clean output in the logs from running amanda) -- we decided to put a bit more effort into coercing the win32 amanda client to work

Re: Win32 client (was: Re: Amanda GUI)

2003-11-04 Thread David Wolfskill
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 09:35:24AM -0800, David Wolfskill wrote: [Re: win32 amanda client from sourceforge) But in the testing so far, we're finding some odd results: * Trying to use the amrestore on the Win32 side, the ls command doesn't seem to work. At some point, I

Re: Another Amanda + Win32 backup problem

2003-10-06 Thread Christopher Odenbach
Hi, Thanks Chris it appears you have found my problem. [...] After issuing strings /opt/amanda/libexec/sendbackup | grep amandapass it returns nothing. I assume you have used your path in the statement above? /opt is not the default amanda directory. So back to compiling amanda. I have

RE: Another Amanda + Win32 backup problem

2003-10-05 Thread Jason Tedesco
Thanks Chris it appears you have found my problem. (see below) -Original Message- From: Christopher Odenbach [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 30 September 2003 5:14 PM To: Jason Tedesco; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Another Amanda + Win32 backup problem Hi Jason

Another Amanda + Win32 backup problem

2003-09-30 Thread Jason Tedesco
I am trying to backup a win32 host with Amanda and keep running into problems. I compiled Amanda with smbclient full path. When I try executing an amcheck I receive the following error. Amanda Backup Client Hosts Check WARNING: mymachine.host.org: selfcheck

Re: Another Amanda + Win32 backup problem

2003-09-30 Thread Bert_De_Ridder
14 57.00.90 Fax: +32 14 58.13.25 http://www.peopleware.be Jason Tedesco [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 30/09/2003 08:45 To [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc Subject Another Amanda + Win32 backup problem I am trying to backup a win32 host with Amanda and keep running

RE: Another Amanda + Win32 backup problem

2003-09-30 Thread Jason Tedesco
Sorry that was just a typo, they do have 2 slashes in amandapass -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, 30 September 2003 4:54 PMTo: Jason TedescoCc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Another Amanda + Win32

RE: Another Amanda + Win32 backup problem

2003-09-30 Thread Bert_De_Ridder
Kleinhoefstraat 5 B-2440 Geel Tel: +32 14 57.00.90 Fax: +32 14 58.13.25 http://www.peopleware.be Jason Tedesco [EMAIL PROTECTED] 30/09/2003 08:57 To [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject RE: Another Amanda + Win32 backup problem Sorry that was just a typo

Re: Another Amanda + Win32 backup problem

2003-09-30 Thread Christopher Odenbach
Hi Jason, I am trying to backup a win32 host with Amanda and keep running into problems. I compiled Amanda with smbclient full path. When I try executing an amcheck I receive the following error. Amanda Backup Client Hosts Check WARNING

RE: Amanda win32 Client

2003-09-13 Thread Bort, Paul
I also looked at the project on sourceforge for the Win32 client. The task that I found too daunting to contemplate when I tried this was interfacing to the Win32 file system. The win32 client project included a TAR that they claimed worked on NT and picked up ACLs. So really the remaining task

Re: Amanda win32 Client

2003-09-12 Thread Eric Siegerman
On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 03:19:58PM +0200, Uwe Beger wrote: All my important win boxes (actually only Win2K) do a standard M$ backup on a samba share, which is backed up by amanda. Advantages: immediate recovery possible Disadv.: disk space BackupPC

Re: Amanda win32 Client

2003-09-11 Thread Christophe Kalt
-up | reimplementation, or what language it's in. You should.. this shouldn't be a reimplementation, just a port. The old win32 client was kind of a port, but since it was done separately and not merged, it drifted off the unix code. Not fun to do, i started looking into it a while back

Re: Amanda win32 Client

2003-09-03 Thread JC Simonetti
You have 3 ways to backup Windows by Amanda: 1. Win32 client: good luck, since its development has been stopped 2 years ago 2. Windows shares and Samba client on your Amanda box: not so good because of the rights of the files that are bot backed up 3. Amanda standard client installed under Cygwin

Re: Amanda win32 Client

2003-09-03 Thread Christoffer Dahl Petersen
Hi Jon! Thank you for your reply! Does that mean that it isn't possible to backup Windows Client with Amanda? Ones again, thank you very much for your reply! - Christoffer tir, 2003-09-02 kl. 17:33 skrev Jon LaBadie: Not an authoritative answer by any means, so I make it off list.

Re: Amanda win32 Client

2003-09-03 Thread Uwe Beger
I prefere #3 All my important win boxes (actually only Win2K) do a standard M$ backup on a samba share, which is backed up by amanda. Advantages: immediate recovery possible Disadv.: disk space At 13:26 03.09.2003, JC Simonetti wrote: You have 3 ways to backup Windows by Amanda: 1. Win32 client

RE: Amanda win32 Client

2003-09-03 Thread Josh Welch
JC Simonetti said: You have 3 ways to backup Windows by Amanda: 1. Win32 client: good luck, since its development has been stopped 2 years ago 2. Windows shares and Samba client on your Amanda box: not so good because of the rights of the files that are bot backed up 3. Amanda standard

Re: Amanda win32 Client

2003-09-03 Thread JC Simonetti
by Amanda: 1. Win32 client: good luck, since its development has been stopped 2 years ago 2. Windows shares and Samba client on your Amanda box: not so good because of the rights of the files that are bot backed up 3. Amanda standard client installed under Cygwin on your Windows box: OK

Re: Amanda win32 Client

2003-09-03 Thread Kurt Yoder
language it's in. Any takers? Approximate asking price to do the job? Anyone else want to chip in money to make this happen? JC Simonetti said: You have 3 ways to backup Windows by Amanda: 1. Win32 client: good luck, since its development has been stopped 2 years ago 2. Windows shares and Samba

RE: Amanda win32 Client

2003-09-03 Thread Josh Welch
JC Simonetti said: Concerning you and Uwe Beger, could you please tell me the approximative size of your Windows backups per day? Do you back up a production site, workstations? snip Okay, I lied a little bit here, I don't do it all via NTBackup. These are SQL Server boxes I'm backing up,

Amanda win32 Client

2003-09-02 Thread Christoffer Dahl Petersen
Hi I have tried the Amanda win32 Client. My question is: can I only do a backup of an entire drive and not a specified folder? Best regards Christoffer

Re: Win32 Backup?

2003-03-06 Thread Michael Perry
Anthony A. D. Talltree wrote: I've never had to do this, but an approach that I'd probably persue would be to use Symmantec/Norton Ghost to create occasional disk images that would get xferred via Samba to a *ix filesystem. I'd try real hard to keep important data off of the M$ machine's local

Re: Win32 Backup?

2003-03-06 Thread Anthony A. D. Talltree
I've had weird stuff happen to me when writing across samba mounts -- the files would quietly disappear under the Nethood pseudo-directory, eating up disk space while being inaccessible. Associating the mounts with drive letters seems to avoid this.

Re: Win32 Backup?

2003-03-06 Thread Steve Loughran
One way I have done it is to use MS's backup program to backup to a samba share on a freebsd box. MS backup will happily backup to a samba share. Then I just backup all that stuff using amanda. beware of backing up via NT Backup to a samba share, always verify the contents of the file. I ran

Re: Win32 Backup?

2003-03-06 Thread tobias . bluhm
Steve Loughran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One way I have done it is to use MS's backup program to backup to a samba share on a freebsd box. MS backup will happily backup to a samba share. Then I just backup all that stuff using amanda. beware of backing up via NT Backup to a samba share, always

Re: Win32 Backup?

2003-03-05 Thread philo vivero
I've used Amanda before in a Unix-only shop, but now am interested in backing up Win32 clients. I see Amanda.Org still seems to hold the official line of use smbclient to backup Win32 clients, but there's a port of Amanda client to Win32 at http://sourceforge.net/projects/amanda-win32

Re: Win32 Backup?

2003-03-05 Thread Anthony A. D. Talltree
I've never had to do this, but an approach that I'd probably persue would be to use Symmantec/Norton Ghost to create occasional disk images that would get xferred via Samba to a *ix filesystem. I'd try real hard to keep important data off of the M$ machine's local disks.

Win32 Backup?

2003-03-04 Thread philo vivero
Hi, I've used Amanda before in a Unix-only shop, but now am interested in backing up Win32 clients. I see Amanda.Org still seems to hold the official line of use smbclient to backup Win32 clients, but there's a port of Amanda client to Win32 at http://sourceforge.net/projects/amanda-win32 which

Re: Win32 Backup?

2003-03-04 Thread Joshua Baker-LePain
On 4 Mar 2003 at 10:54am, philo vivero wrote I've used Amanda before in a Unix-only shop, but now am interested in backing up Win32 clients. I see Amanda.Org still seems to hold the official line of use smbclient to backup Win32 clients, but there's a port of Amanda client to Win32 at http

RE: amanda-win32 project

2002-12-16 Thread Paolo Supino
-Original Message- From: Jim Buttafuoco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 6:14 PM To: Paolo Supino; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Re: amanda-win32 project Paolo, I tried many times to get amanda-win32 to work. The port is very old and doesn't look like anyone

Re: amanda-win32 project

2002-12-16 Thread Jim Buttafuoco
Paolo, I tried many times to get amanda-win32 to work. The port is very old and doesn't look like anyone is working on it currently (I haven't looked lately). I decided to rewrite my the code from scratch. I am having some problems with the current amanda server that should be worked out

amanda-win32 project

2002-12-11 Thread Paolo Supino
Hi Does anyone have any information on the usability status of the amanda-win32 project? Paolo

Re: Thoughts on Win32

2002-10-24 Thread Galen Johnson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 24 Oct 2002, Galen Johnson wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings, I am about to attempt to archive my Win32 hosts with amanda. I was wondering what the list users experience has been with samba and/or the Win32 amanda client. Thank you, Andrew

RE: Thoughts on Win32

2002-10-24 Thread Bort, Paul
Don't know. I use it for DB dumps, so I want a full backup every time anyway. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:ahall;secureworks.net] Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 2:22 PM To: Galen Johnson Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Thoughts on Win32 On Thu

Re: Thoughts on Win32

2002-10-24 Thread ahall
On Thu, 24 Oct 2002, Galen Johnson wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings, I am about to attempt to archive my Win32 hosts with amanda. I was wondering what the list users experience has been with samba and/or the Win32 amanda client. Thank you, Andrew I've had great

RE: Thoughts on Win32

2002-10-24 Thread Bort, Paul
, but that was mostly my lack of SAMBA knowledge. 3. NFS: There is an NFS server implementation available from Microsoft as part of Unix Services for Windows. In theory, you could NFS mount and backup with tar. It appears that most people use SAMBA instead of sending more money to Redmond. 4. Amanda-Win32 client: I

Thoughts on Win32

2002-10-24 Thread ahall
Greetings, I am about to attempt to archive my Win32 hosts with amanda. I was wondering what the list users experience has been with samba and/or the Win32 amanda client. Thank you, Andrew

Re: Thoughts on Win32

2002-10-24 Thread Galen Johnson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings, I am about to attempt to archive my Win32 hosts with amanda. I was wondering what the list users experience has been with samba and/or the Win32 amanda client. Thank you, Andrew I've had great luck with Samba. I have avoided the win32 client mainly

Re: Amanda win32 / MacOS clients

2002-10-17 Thread Joshua Baker-LePain
On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 at 9:59pm, Jason Hines wrote This is a pretty heavy traffic list, so I won't bore you all with my setup details and planned usage for Amanda, but I'm about to install the new Amanda 2.4.3 on a RH7.3 server (Anyone working on RPMs btw?) and had some questions. Source is

Installing from source (was Re: Amanda win32 / MacOS clients)

2002-10-17 Thread Doug Meredith
- Original Message - From: Joshua Baker-LePain [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] Source is the preferred way to install amanda. Yours maybe, not mine. :) Seriously, if I have a reputable source of an RPM, why is this less desirable than going to the source? Doug -- Doug Meredith Skyridge

Re: Installing from source (was Re: Amanda win32 / MacOS clients)

2002-10-17 Thread Joshua Baker-LePain
On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 at 8:56am, Doug Meredith wrote - Original Message - From: Joshua Baker-LePain [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] Source is the preferred way to install amanda. Yours maybe, not mine. :) Seriously, if I have a reputable source of an RPM, why is this less desirable than

Amanda win32 / MacOS clients

2002-10-16 Thread Jason Hines
Hi, This is a pretty heavy traffic list, so I won't bore you all with my setup details and planned usage for Amanda, but I'm about to install the new Amanda 2.4.3 on a RH7.3 server (Anyone working on RPMs btw?) and had some questions. * What is the status (if any) of any clients written for

Re: win32

2002-09-20 Thread Brian Jonnes
On Thu 19 Sep 02 16:32, Christophe Kalt wrote: Also, it seems that it would be much less work to actually port the existing (UNIX) amanda source (at least or at most?;) the client parts. Having a separate project really doesn't seem right. Erm... ever tried to port code from Unix to

Re: win32

2002-09-20 Thread Jim Buttafuoco
Brian, Tried that, but there is alot of UNIXism in amanda. I did go the cygwin route a couple of years ago. It kind of worked. I am currently rewriting the whole client side in perl. To get it to work you just have to download ActiveState perl and my script, that's it. I am also looking

Re: win32

2002-09-20 Thread Christophe Kalt
On Sep 19, Brian Jonnes wrote: | On Thu 19 Sep 02 16:32, Christophe Kalt wrote: | Also, it seems that it would be much less work to actually | port the existing (UNIX) amanda source (at least or at most?;) | the client parts. Having a separate project really doesn't | seem right. | | Erm...

Re: win32

2002-09-19 Thread Jim Buttafuoco
? Jim On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Galen Johnson wrote: Hello gang, A while back I had sent a request regarding backing up windows machines without having to deal with samba. Someone had responded with the win32 Amanda client on sourceforge. I have looked it up and it seems like

Re: win32

2002-09-19 Thread Brian Kennedy
e back I had sent a request regarding backing up windows machines without having to deal with samba. Someone had responded with the win32 Amanda client on sourceforge. I have looked it up and it seems like it'll do what I want. However, it hasn't been touched in 18 months. Is anyone current

Re: win32

2002-09-19 Thread Christophe Kalt
-win32 looked promising, but nothing's been happening with it for a long time as people have mentioned. And it is based on the PW32 SF project which is in the same state of abandonment as amanda-win32, so you're actually looking at 2 projects to maintain, not just one. Also, it seems that it would

Re: win32

2002-09-18 Thread JC Simonetti
well. For your bugs : 1. selfcheck bug is not a bug, it's just that selfcheck is not provided in the Win32 version. If you are suck with the amcheck errors, do the same thing as me : selfcheck.c : int main() {return 0;}, and if you are lazy compiling such a thing, I've attached it here. 2

Re: win32

2002-09-17 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
is not provided in the Win32 version. If you are suck with the amcheck errors, do the same thing as me : selfcheck.c : int main() {return 0;}, and if you are lazy compiling such a thing, I've attached it here. 2. sendsize crash ? Well... Er... Er... Er... Where ??? I've had some problems with sendsize

Re: win32

2002-09-13 Thread JC Simonetti
On Thu, 12 Sep 2002 12:23:25 -0400 Galen Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JC Simonetti wrote: amrecover is possible. You extract the tarball archive on your backup server and upload it to the Windows box, and there you untar it with the WinTar provided with Win32 Amanda (different

Re: win32

2002-09-12 Thread JC Simonetti
On Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:02:09 -0400 (EDT) Samuel Nicolary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Galen Johnson wrote: Hello gang, A while back I had sent a request regarding backing up windows machines without having to deal with samba. Someone had responded with the win32

Re: win32

2002-09-12 Thread Tony Shadwick
: On Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:02:09 -0400 (EDT) Samuel Nicolary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Galen Johnson wrote: Hello gang, A while back I had sent a request regarding backing up windows machines without having to deal with samba. Someone had responded with the win32 Amanda

Re: win32

2002-09-12 Thread Jon LaBadie
On Thu, Sep 12, 2002 at 09:35:57AM +0200, JC Simonetti wrote: On Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:02:09 -0400 (EDT) Samuel Nicolary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Galen Johnson wrote: I downloaded this package but have been unable to get it to work - anyone using it successfully?

Re: win32

2002-09-12 Thread JC Simonetti
:02:09 -0400 (EDT) Samuel Nicolary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Galen Johnson wrote: Hello gang, A while back I had sent a request regarding backing up windows machines without having to deal with samba. Someone had responded with the win32 Amanda client

Re: win32

2002-09-12 Thread JC Simonetti
, in production. Everything goes well :) Important follow-ups: Can you also amrecover/amrestore? amrecover is possible. You extract the tarball archive on your backup server and upload it to the Windows box, and there you untar it with the WinTar provided with Win32 Amanda (different of course

Re: win32

2002-09-12 Thread Galen Johnson
JC Simonetti wrote: amrecover is possible. You extract the tarball archive on your backup server and upload it to the Windows box, and there you untar it with the WinTar provided with Win32 Amanda (different of course from the GNU tar, due to NT file rights...). amrestore is possible, but I

win32

2002-09-11 Thread Galen Johnson
Hello gang, A while back I had sent a request regarding backing up windows machines without having todeal with samba. Someone had responded with the win32 amanda client on sourceforge. I have looked it up and it seems like it'll do what I want. However, it hasn't been touched in 18 months

Re: win32

2002-09-11 Thread Samuel Nicolary
On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Galen Johnson wrote: Hello gang, A while back I had sent a request regarding backing up windows machines without having to deal with samba. Someone had responded with the win32 Amanda client on sourceforge. I have looked it up and it seems like it'll do what I

amindexd EOF problem - win32 client

2002-07-22 Thread John Rosendahl
Has anyone been able to restore with the amanda-win32 client? The backup appears to be going well but when I try to restore I am unable to pull up the index through the amrestore-gui client. here is the amindexd.debug file amindexd: debug 1 pid 8506 ruid 28 euid 28 start time Mon Jul 22 15:13

Win32 Amanda Client on Sourceforge?

2002-03-27 Thread Morse, Richard E.
Hi! How stable is the Win32 Amanda Client found on SourceForge? I have a few NT/Win2K boxes that I would like to add to my backup, and I'm looking at the different options available... Thanks, Ricky - Richard MorseSystem

Status of the amanda-win32 project?

2001-12-15 Thread Colin Smith
Saw it on Sourceforge: http://sourceforge.net/projects/amanda-win32/ Anyone tried it? -- |Colin Smith: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |

Re: [Amanda-users] Win32 client portrange...

2001-12-14 Thread Jason Thomas
On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 10:53:40AM -0500, Chris Noon wrote: Hello all, I'm trying to get the win32 client up and running. I followed Kurt Yoder's instructions (below), but amcheck is still timing out. I'm almost certain that it has to do with the tcp/ip ports amanda is using. My server

Re: [Amanda-users] Win32 client portrange...

2001-12-14 Thread Jason Thomas
On Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 08:46:28AM +1100, Jason Thomas wrote: no you just want the udp port that it listens on. and maybe the tcp port. try: start amandad -udp=10800 -no-exit sorry wrong port: 10080 msg08936/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Win32 client portrange...

2001-12-11 Thread Chris Noon
Hello all, I'm trying to get the win32 client up and running. I followed Kurt Yoder's instructions (below), but amcheck is still timing out. I'm almost certain that it has to do with the tcp/ip ports amanda is using. My server was compiled with the following: --with-portrange=5,50100

Re: Win32 client setup

2001-10-17 Thread Kurt Yoder
Wayne Richards wrote: I've got the Win32 client setup and running in a console window on an NT box running NT4.0 SP6a. It works well. I've also setup amanda as a service according to the instructions. However, the service does not start. It hangs for a while and then gives an error

Re: Win32 client setup

2001-10-17 Thread Kurt Yoder
in one of your drives -move the amanda folder into it; path to binaries should be \usr\amanda\bin and so forth -copy pw32.8.dll from the bin folder to libexec and sbin folders -copy \usr\amanda\share\amanda-win32-clients\.amandahosts to \usr\amanda\etc\amanda\ -add your amanda master to the \usr\amanda