[AMaViS-user] under which circumstances RelayedOpenRelay?

...@belfin.ch, Message-ID: 201102102126.35184.x...@xx.xx, mail_id: gbm51t1dgDsf, Hits: -, size: 3947, queued_as: BA49818E002, 187 ms My gateways are no open relays. What are circumstances that amavisd-new will log RelayedOpenRelay? Thanks, John

Re: [AMaViS-user] p0f: is it interesting to use?

for. I mostly agree with Giampaolo. The idea is to make statistics what OS'es connect to my servers and display this information graphically. There is no intend to use this information to fight spam. John -- Special Offer

[AMaViS-user] p0f: is it interesting to use?

Hi checking the p0f website last developments date back to 2006. No visible activity ever since. Does it make sense today to use p0f to find out about the clients that connect to port 25? Or are p0f signatures completely outdated? thanks, John

Re: [AMaViS-user] p0f: is it interesting to use?

to correctly discriminate the incoming message. But I'm absolutely not trusting this. I don't want to fight spam with p0f. My primary concern is to find out what sort of clients connect to my MX'es and use this information for statistical reasons. Is the detection good enough for that? John

Re: [AMaViS-user] p0f: is it interesting to use?

. Which is why I prefer to not rely on them. I think that are not really the results I'm looking for. Thanks John -- Special Offer-- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE (a $49 USD value)! Finally, a world-class log management

[AMaViS-user] drweb configuration

Installing amavisd-new on a FreeBSD 8.1 box. I've installed drweb from ports but I can't seem to get the configuration to work correctly in amavisd.conf. I'm not exactly sure which lines I need to uncomment and if there are any changes need to make. Does anybody have a configuration that works? I

Re: [AMaViS-user] amavis causing mail to queue on server ???

On Thu, 06 May 2010 00:26:36 -0500, Noel Jones njo...@megan.vbhcs.org wrote: On 5/5/2010 10:00 PM, John Robinson wrote: Hello all, As this is my first post to this list, please bear with me if my description or supplied info is not all that is required. I have 2 mail gateways running

[AMaViS-user] amavis causing mail to queue on server ???

, being my first post, if there is any other info I can provide that would be useful please let me know and I will post up. Any help you can provide to assist me resolve this problem is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Regards John

Re: [AMaViS-user] Backscatterer.org, how to deal with?

is another no-no. -- Sincerely, John Thomas -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See

[AMaViS-user] NOD32 V4

Just wondering if anybody has updated their configuration to support the latest release of NOD32? Would you be willing to share your changes or will the 3.0 config work fine? -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting -

Re: [AMaViS-user] amavisd-new 2.6.1

troxlinux xserverli...@gmail.com schreef in bericht news:a2c6daca0903271121m6c44ca12g8e2fefb37630f...@mail.gmail.com... 2009/3/25 John jknappers-argen...@hotmail.com: Hi, Troxlinux, The problem is that you mix packages from different repositories or origin. You use clamav-0.94.2-1.el5.rf

Re: [AMaViS-user] amavisd-new 2.6.1

the specfile I use to build Amavisd-new 4 There are of course more solutions... Success. John -- Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross

Re: [AMaViS-user] Help configuring amavisd-new to use AVG7

.*?: ([^\r\n]+)/m ], Let me know if it helps. Thanks that did the job, and it's successfully spotted an Eicar message, excellent! John. -- John Beranek To generalise is to be an idiot. http://redux.org.uk/ -- William Blake

[AMaViS-user] Help configuring amavisd-new to use AVG7

-10 220 Ready SCAN /tmp/xorg.conf.16465 200 OK QUIT 221 Connection closed Thanks in advance, John. -- John Beranek To generalise is to be an idiot. http://redux.org.uk/ -- William Blake

Re: [AMaViS-user] whitelisted? By who?

Jo Rhett wrote: The following spam status report claims to be whitelisted. However this simply isn't true. I have no global whitelist entries, and only a single personal whitelist entry -- and it's certainly not me. I also sent a test message to myself and confirmed that it doesn't

Re: [AMaViS-user] amavisd uses lots of memory

On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Wojtek Bogusz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i am not sure what can i do to help it. Add memory. A properly configured server will never fill swap. The processor is a little lightweight admittedly, but if you don't run X on it it should do ok. How long did it

Re: [AMaViS-user] Amavisd-new reloading

Rocco Scappatura wrote: Hello. I have scheduled a cronjob to update rulesets of spamassassin: sa-update --gpgkey 6C6191E3 --channel sought.rules.yerp.org --channel updates.spamassassin.org /usr/sbin/rcamavisd reload I do this same thing, except instead of doing a reload I do:

Re: [AMaViS-user] bypass only outgoing queue

Tomáš Macek wrote: What do I want: I want to check all the emails including the ones being send between computers inside @mynetwork. Only when mail goes outside of @mynetwork, it shouldn't be checked. Unless your network sends tons of spam, the outbound mail is the smallest segment of

Re: [AMaViS-user] Suppress recipient delimiters on outgoing mail?

On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 2:12 AM, mouss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Andersen a écrit : We scan mail inbound and outbound via Amavisd-New. (2.4.3 via Opensuse). Occasionally someone will send something outbound that might get flagged as spammy. Amavis then attaches our recipient delimiter

Re: [AMaViS-user] Suppress recipient delimiters on outgoing mail?

On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Sahil Tandon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can see it in the logs. I use 2.6.1; just sent a SPAMMY test email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] as well as [EMAIL PROTECTED] The former was sent without an address extension while +spam

[AMaViS-user] Amavis/spamassassin can't count?

, because I set the threshold at 5. I've not seen a lot of this so I'm not too worried, but then I don't scan my spam folder for false positives very often, so maybe I'm missing more email... John. -- John Beranek To generalise is to be an idiot. http://redux.org.uk

Re: [AMaViS-user] Amavis/spamassassin can't count?

|earnmoney|foryou)@'i = 5.0], Now I know the existence of these soft-blacklist items, I think I'll turn them _all_ off! John. -- John Beranek To generalise is to be an idiot. http://redux.org.uk/ -- William Blake

[AMaViS-user] Suppress recipient delimiters on outgoing mail?

We scan mail inbound and outbound via Amavisd-New. (2.4.3 via Opensuse). Occasionally someone will send something outbound that might get flagged as spammy. Amavis then attaches our recipient delimiter +spam on the outbound mail, all of which bounce. Is there anyway to prevent Plus addressing

Re: [AMaViS-user] Backscatter

their email-based services, but they seem to be a heavy cause of the recent rash of complaints that I've seen on many other mailing lists that I monitor. -- John Evans Administrator of kilnar.com - This SF.net email is sponsored

Re: [AMaViS-user] can not restart with zlib error

171. I'd use cpan as root and do this once in cpan: install Compress::Zlib If it asks for prerequesites to Compress::Zlib, allow cpan to install it. -- John Evans Administrator of kilnar.com - This SF.net email is sponsored

Re: [AMaViS-user] Out Of Control amavisd-new Procs

-c count to amavisd-nanny and amavisd-agent to limit the repeat count of a display, so '-c 1' will avoid a need for the 'limit' trick. Thanks for pointing out a usage deficiency. Mark, Great addition to the program! Thanks for adding this. -- John Evans Administrator of kilnar.com

[AMaViS-user] Out Of Control amavisd-new Procs

postfix: 2.4.7-1 amavisd-new: 2.4.2-6.2 clamav: 0.91.2-3 spamassassin: 3.2.4-0 Thanks! -- John Evans Administrator of kilnar.com - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008

[AMaViS-user] backscatter ==? final_spam_destiny = D_BOUNCE, # so the sender knows they are a spammer

: http://spamlinks.net/prevent-secure-backscatter.htm -- Sincerely, John Thomas - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt

[AMaViS-user] Out Of Control amavisd-new Procs

postfix: 2.4.7-1 amavisd-new: 2.4.2-6.2 clamav: 0.91.2-3 spamassassin: 3.2.4-0 Thanks! -- John Evans Administrator of kilnar.com - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008

[AMaViS-user] amavis[xx]: (!)DENIED ACCESS from IP x.x.x.43, policy bank ''

Hi there! I'm running Qmail, and on the same system I run postfix as a smart host or spam firewall. Qmail listens on x.x.x.42 and postfix listens on x.x.x.43 From what I read, this setup might be causing the error in question. My question is: would anyone know specifically why this is

Re: [AMaViS-user] Whitelisting mynetworks

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007, Sahil Tandon wrote: * John Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-12-10 14:48:03 -0700]: Am I missing something here? Is there a web page that documents how to do this? I've searched the web and mailing list archives, and this is the config that I came up with, but it's

[AMaViS-user] Whitelisting mynetworks

the second scanning comes into play. Since most (about 93%) of my mail is spam, I figured I could reduce my load quite a bit by not scanning emails that originate from localhost (thus, preventing the scanning of items forwarded to [EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- John Evans

Re: [AMaViS-user] amavisd debug-sa hangs on CentOS5

Matthias Weigel [EMAIL PROTECTED] schreef in bericht news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello John, i compared your trace against my working system. At the end of your trace i see lines like select(0, NULL, NULL, NULL, {10, 0}) = 0 (Timeout) this is where amavisd waits for input on the configured tcp

Re: [AMaViS-user] amavisd debug-sa hangs on CentOS5

John [EMAIL PROTECTED] schreef in bericht news:... Matthias Weigel [EMAIL PROTECTED] schreef in bericht news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello John, the interesting thing is normally at the end: where amavisd hangs. So just send the last 100 lines. Also have a look at the file. Maybe you see

Re: [AMaViS-user] amavisd debug-sa hangs on CentOS5

Matthias Weigel [EMAIL PROTECTED] schreef in bericht news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello John, the interesting thing is normally at the end: where amavisd hangs. So just send the last 100 lines. Also have a look at the file. Maybe you see failing systemcalls or interesting error messages

Re: [AMaViS-user] amavisd debug-sa hangs on CentOS5

John [EMAIL PROTECTED] schreef in bericht news:... Matthias Weigel [EMAIL PROTECTED] schreef in bericht news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello John, the interesting thing is normally at the end: where amavisd hangs. So just send the last 100 lines. Also have a look at the file. Maybe you see

Re: [AMaViS-user] amavisd debug-sa hangs on CentOS5

Matthias Weigel [EMAIL PROTECTED] schreef in bericht news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello John, the interesting thing is normally at the end: where amavisd hangs. So just send the last 100 lines. Also have a look at the file. Maybe you see failing systemcalls or interesting error messages

Re: [AMaViS-user] amavisd debug-sa hangs on CentOS5

David Filion [EMAIL PROTECTED] schreef in bericht news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] John wrote: Matthias Weigel [EMAIL PROTECTED] schreef in bericht news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello John, the interesting thing is normally at the end: where amavisd hangs. So just send the last 100 lines. Also have

[AMaViS-user] amavisd debug-sa hangs on CentOS5

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Re: [AMaViS-user] amavisd debug-sa hangs on CentOS5

Matthias Weigel [EMAIL PROTECTED] schreef in bericht news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello John, just some wild guesses: Have you disabled selinux? If not, do so in /etc/sysconfig/selinux. Yes, selinux is disabled If this doesn't help, maybe running the blocking command under strace gives you

Re: [AMaViS-user] amavisd debug-sa hangs on CentOS5

Matthias Weigel [EMAIL PROTECTED] schreef in bericht news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello John, also remove the following line form /etc/sudoers: Defaultsrequiretty sa-compile seems to use sudo. This does not work in scripts, when the requiretty entry is in /etc/sudoers. But this entry

Re: [AMaViS-user] amavisd debug-sa hangs on CentOS5

Hello, Matthias Weigel [EMAIL PROTECTED] schreef in bericht news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello John, just some wild guesses: Have you disabled selinux? If not, do so in /etc/sysconfig/selinux. If this doesn't help, maybe running the blocking command under strace gives you some hints. strace -o

Re: [AMaViS-user] amavisd debug-sa hangs on CentOS5

Matthias Weigel [EMAIL PROTECTED] schreef in bericht news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello John, i think you just traced the su command, not amavisd. try adding -f option to strace or better do it step by step: first su - amavis then strace -f -o /tmp/amavisstrace /usr/sbin/amavisd debug

[AMaViS-user] Modified scoring of ClamAV spam hits

=0, TVD_SPACE_RATIO=2.219] I am using amavisd-new with clamav 91.1. Where can I adjust this scoring? john beaver - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now

Re: [AMaViS-user] Modified scoring of ClamAV spam hits

Mark Martinec wrote: John, I'm still getting a few ZIPs, PDF, etc. getting though. I just noticed this scoring in one of the headers. Note the score for the sanesecurity=0.1: Res, score=5.819 tagged_above=2 required=4 tests=[AV:Email.Stk.Gen592.Sanesecurity.07071801.pdf=0.1,BAYES_99

[AMaViS-user] amavisd-new and altermime

of controversy about added a disclaimer, but if Company management wants this policy, IT has to implement it. So I'm not trying to invoke a discussion or flame about to add or not to add a disclaimer Regards, John

[AMaViS-user] Amavisd and clamd

Hello, Could you please tell me how to change the calling of clamd from /var/run/clamav/clamd.sock to 127.0.0.1:3310 in amavisd.conf. Many thanks. John Fox - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express

Re: [AMaViS-user] Amavisd and clamd

Thank you you help is gratefully appreciated. John Fox - Original Message - From: Mark Martinec [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: amavis-user@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [AMaViS-user] Amavisd and clamd John, Could you please tell me how to change

Re: [AMaViS-user] SOLVED - Re: Message bodies seem to be re-encoded from ISO-8859-1 to UTF-8

are no longer unnecessarily UTF-8 encoded. My thanks also to Jim Knuth for pointing this out aswell. Man, this mailing list really rocks! :-) [Reawakening an old thread, because I just solved the problem myself...] It should be noted that libnet-1.21 is now out, which also fixes the problem. John

[AMaViS-user] Is it possible to delete spam using the amavisd-new.schema

on a user level? I don't see any attribute in the schema that would allow the deletion of spam. I see final_destination_spam in the config file that I can use, but I would like to override it in a user level so that one user can delete spam, the other user can mark and send spam. Thank you.

[AMaViS-user] amavisWhitelistSender and amavisBlacklistSender help

Hi. These two attributes are used in the amavisd ldap schema. Are they for spam or ban? We would like to create a basic mailing list that bans all mail not coming from any member of the mailing. We thought we can add the members to the whitelist and block everything else with the blacklist. Can

[AMaViS-user] Amavis 421 4.3.2 Service shutting down and LDAP

When we enable LDAP in the amavisd conf file, we get this error message. But if we don't enable ldap, everything works fine. (host 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1] said: 421 4.3.2 Service shutting down, closing channel (in reply to RCPT TO command)) LDAP amavis settings. $enable_ldap = 1; $default_ldap =

Re: [AMaViS-user] Amavis 421 4.3.2 Service shutting down and LDAP

Oh. We are using .94 version of Net::Server if that helps or hurts? Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com

Re: [AMaViS-user] Amavis 421 4.3.2 Service shutting down and LDAP

After running debug, I found it. Just some change in LDAP from the development to the test system that was changed by one of the other engineers. Thanks. Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new

[AMaViS-user] Amavis / SA-Learn / Debian

way to use/configure sa-learn with my setup? I hope I've given enough details, any help will be gratefully received. Kind regards, John - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel

[AMaViS-user] Amavisd-new Spamassassin sa-updata interaction

Amavisd-new / SA use the with sa-update retrieved new rules with the different versions of Amavisd-new / SA? Thanx in advance. John - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done

Re: [AMaViS-user] Amavisd-new Spamassassin sa-updata interaction

Peter Huetmannsberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] schreef in bericht news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, 23 Oct 2006, John wrote: Hello list, I'm confused on how Amavisd-new and Spamassassin sa-update interact. There are several previous posts that didn't clear things by me. Versions: SA 3.1.7

Re: [AMaViS-user] Amavisd-new Spamassassin sa-updata interaction

Mark Martinec [EMAIL PROTECTED] schreef in bericht news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] John, Mark, Thanx for the quick response I'm confused on how Amavisd-new and Spamassassin sa-update interact. There are several previous posts that didn't clear things by me. Versions: SA 3.1.7, Amavisd-new 2.3.3

[AMaViS-user] Perl::Net::Server requirements for Amavisd-new-2.4.3

milter setup)? Or do I need to upgrade to version 0.94? I also red that there are some Perl bug issues with older Perl versions. Does anybody has experience on Perl 5.8.1 (SuSE 9.0) Perl 5.8.3 (SuSE 9.1 / SLES 9) Perl 5.8.5 (SuSE 9.2) Thanx in advance John

[AMaViS-user] Amavis - Spam Notification

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Re: [AMaViS-user] How do you keep a copy of all messages using amavisd-new?

That works. Thank you. It uses local though, which is set to the quarantine directory. Is there anyway to specify the full path to a different directory? _ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to

[AMaViS-user] How do you keep a copy of all messages using amavisd-new?

Greetings. We would like to keep a copy of all messages that are filtered for backup purposes. We tried postfix always_bcc, but it does not write to directories. It only writes to email addresses. All we want is to backup all the mail sent/received to a directory. Thanks for any help.

Re: [AMaViS-user] How do you keep a copy of all messages using amavisd-new?

$which_section = aux_quarantine doesn't appear in the amavisd.conf file. Does it require recompiling Amavisd with special options to get this option in the conf file? _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today

[AMaViS-user] Is there an example that shows amavisd-new + openldap?

I have not been able to find any help on how to connect amavisd-new + openldap? Where is that in the documentation? Such as (for postfix) server_host = query_filter = result_attribute = result_format = scope = version = But what is amavisd-new's format? And what variable %, @, ? do you use to

Re: [AMaViS-user] Is there an example that shows amavisd-new + openldap?

Sorry. I found it in the downloads. I emerged from gentoo and it's not there in the emerged packages. But if you manually download the zip, the documentation is there. _ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search!

Re: [AMaViS-user] Multi-instance postfix - return to correct instance

= $forward_method; This worked for me. I just had to experiment until I found this section. Thanks john --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media

[AMaViS-user] Multi-instance postfix - return to correct instance

it's listening on both ports. What do I need to do to get the return path set correctly for each instance? The ports specified in master.cf is 10025 and 10027 in each respective master.cf. john --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML

RE: [AMaViS-user] Amavisd - BlackList acts like Spam rejection

? $notify_spam_sender_templ = read_text('/home/amavis/template-spam-sender.txt'); -Original Message- Subject: Re: [AMaViS-user] Amavisd - BlackList acts like Spam rejection John, Depending on a setup and choice of MTA. With Postfix and a post-queue filter setup (which is the most

RE: [AMaViS-user] Amavisd - BlackListing - Multiple Recpts still allowing blocked emails.

Hi Mark, Thank you for the reply. I'll work on obtaining a log sample for you later on tonight. Here are the settings that I have at the moment: $final_virus_destiny = D_DISCARD; # (defaults to D_BOUNCE) $final_banned_destiny = D_DISCARD; # (defaults to D_BOUNCE)

[AMaViS-user] Amavisd - BlackListing - Multiple Recpts still allowing blocked emails.

using version: $myversion_id = '2.3.2'; $myversion_date = '20050629'; Thank you, John --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes

[AMaViS-user] Amavisd - BlackList acts like Spam rejection

Hello all, I currently have my SPAM rejects to Bounce. The BlackList option, when an email is blacklisted, also uses the Bounce method. I would like to change this method to Reject if at all possible.Any ideas on how to do this? Thank you, John $myversion_id = '2.3.2'; $myversion_date

Re: [AMaViS-user] logging spam, but not adding headers below sa_kill_level_deflt

Mark Martinec wrote: John, I'm not sure I understand your setup - are these mailers processing mail one after another? There is only one 'Received' header field in your sample. amavisd-new removes all previous X-Spam-* headers from a message if it is doing spam checking by itself

Re: [AMaViS-user] logging spam, but not adding headers below sa_kill_level_deflt

Gary V wrote: John wrote: This is an example of the symptom. Starting amavis on filtering server1 with the following log definitions: $DO_SYSLOG = 0; $LOGFILE = /var/log/amavis.log; $log_level = 4 I get this in the log for a given message. Dec 16 15:43:22 server1.franklinamerican.com

Re: [AMaViS-user] logging spam, but not adding headers below sa_kill_level_deflt

seen one. -- John Beamon Systems Administrator Franklin American Mortgage Co. em: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine

[AMaViS-user] logging spam, but not adding headers below sa_kill_level_deflt

common smtpd -o content_filter=smtp-amavis:[127.0.0.1]:10024 that returns via :10025. There is no header-rewriting configured into Postfix. I welcome any suggestions as to what would cause this and any specific requests for relevant info to help the cause. Thanks. -- John Beamon Systems

Re: [AMaViS-user] amavisd-release troubles

understand why it was needed. Your explanation makes that clear. I didn't want to open an extra port without understanding why. Thanks for the help. john --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems

Re: [AMaViS-user] amavisd-release troubles

Replying to my own post. I still do not have the inet method working. It still gives the errors below. I got amavisd-release to work by switching to the unixsocket method. Still interested in the inet method. john john wrote: I'm running amavisd-new 2.3.3 on FreeBSD 5.4 I'm trying

[AMaViS-user] newbie questions

I'm trying to configure a new amavis installation (amavis-new 2.3.1). I plan on using this with amavisd-milter. I have some questions: 1) in the included amavisd.conf that gets copied into /etc, I see a ton of virus definitions. Do I need to comment out or delete the ones I wont be

[AMaViS-user] Calyx Point pcf files

. Is there a way to exempt certain files, extensions, etc from being banned? -- John Beamon Systems Administrator Franklin American Mortgage Co. em: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput