[amsat-bb] Re: Close encounters of the Asteroidal Kind

2013-02-20 Thread Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2013-063 NASA Releases Radar Movie of Asteroid 2012 DA14 Jet Propulsion Laboratory February 19, 2013 [Image] This collage of 72 individual radar-generated images of asteroid 2012 DA14 was created using data from NASA's 230-foot (70-meter) Deep Spac

[amsat-bb] Re: Close encounters of the Asteroidal Kind

2013-02-09 Thread Mike Lemons
In case you are thinking of trying to observe the near miss, it will occur at mid-day in North America, so no chance of observing it there. Your best chance will be in Asia where it will be as bright as magnitude 8. The cut-off for a naked-eye object is magnitude 6, but under perfect conditions

[amsat-bb] Re: Close encounters of the Asteroidal Kind

2013-02-08 Thread Tony Langdon
On 9/02/13 2:26 AM, Greg Dolkas wrote: Is the 435KW an EIRP number, or power into their feed. I was thinking the later. No? If you read the link that was recently posted, their transmitter uses 2x250kW klystrons, so it'd be RF power. :) -- 73 de Tony VK3JED http://vkradio.com __

[amsat-bb] Re: Close encounters of the Asteroidal Kind

2013-02-08 Thread Greg Dolkas
Is the 435KW an EIRP number, or power into their feed. I was thinking the later. No? Greg. KO6TH On Feb 8, 2013 6:53 AM, "Robert Bruninga" wrote: > > > I wonder what 435kw at 28,000 km will do to the surface temperature on > that rock? > > Let's see, power goes down as 1/R squared. So lets com

[amsat-bb] Re: Close encounters of the Asteroidal Kind

2013-02-08 Thread Robert Bruninga
> I wonder what 435kw at 28,000 km will do to the surface temperature on that rock? Let's see, power goes down as 1/R squared. So lets compare it to a candle. A candle is about 50 Watts or about (435000/50W) or about 10,000 times less power. Take the square root of that to get about 100/th the

[amsat-bb] Re: Close encounters of the Asteroidal Kind

2013-02-08 Thread Greg D
I wonder what 435kw at 28,000 km will do to the surface temperature on that rock? (Assuming it's an icy thing...) Greg KO6TH Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL wrote: At 09:01 AM 2/8/2013 +1100, Tony Langdon wrote: On 8/02/13 7:49 AM, Bob- W7LRD wrote: maybe "asteroid bounce"? (EAE) 73 Bob W7LRD Someone

[amsat-bb] Re: Close encounters of the Asteroidal Kind

2013-02-07 Thread Jeff Yanko
sat-bb] Re: Close encounters of the Asteroidal Kind On 8/02/13 9:33 AM, Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL wrote: Well from the original post: The Goldstone 70M dish will be running MAX QRO with 435 kW. That ought to be enough for EAE. H. CQ asteroid, CQ asteroid! There's your 51+ dB! :D S

[amsat-bb] Re: Close encounters of the Asteroidal Kind

2013-02-07 Thread Tony Langdon
On 8/02/13 11:11 AM, Andrew Glasbrenner wrote: I wonder if they considered that it may be significantly more reflective? I can't see it being more than 15-20db to get from the moon's reflectivity to a perfect reflector. Still, every bit helps. :) -- 73 de Tony VK3JED http://vkradio.com _

[amsat-bb] Re: Close encounters of the Asteroidal Kind

2013-02-07 Thread Tony Langdon
On 8/02/13 9:33 AM, Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL wrote: Well from the original post: The Goldstone 70M dish will be running MAX QRO with 435 kW. That ought to be enough for EAE. H. CQ asteroid, CQ asteroid! There's your 51+ dB! :D Slightly outside amateur power levels or the antennas avail

[amsat-bb] Re: Close encounters of the Asteroidal Kind

2013-02-07 Thread Andrew Glasbrenner
I wonder if they considered that it may be significantly more reflective? 73, Drew KO4MA Sent from my iPhone On Feb 7, 2013, at 5:01 PM, Tony Langdon wrote: > On 8/02/13 7:49 AM, Bob- W7LRD wrote: >> maybe "asteroid bounce"? (EAE) >> 73 Bob W7LRD > Someone on the moonbounce reflector crunched

[amsat-bb] Re: Close encounters of the Asteroidal Kind

2013-02-07 Thread Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL
At 09:01 AM 2/8/2013 +1100, Tony Langdon wrote: On 8/02/13 7:49 AM, Bob- W7LRD wrote: maybe "asteroid bounce"? (EAE) 73 Bob W7LRD Someone on the moonbounce reflector crunched the numbers and came up with a path loss figure something like 51dB worse than EME, if I recall. The small cross sect

[amsat-bb] Re: Close encounters of the Asteroidal Kind

2013-02-07 Thread Tony Langdon
On 8/02/13 7:49 AM, Bob- W7LRD wrote: maybe "asteroid bounce"? (EAE) 73 Bob W7LRD Someone on the moonbounce reflector crunched the numbers and came up with a path loss figure something like 51dB worse than EME, if I recall. The small cross section area was the killer. Still, nothing ventured

[amsat-bb] Re: Close encounters of the Asteroidal Kind

2013-02-07 Thread Bob- W7LRD
maybe "asteroid bounce"? (EAE) 73 Bob W7LRD - Original Message - From: "Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL" To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2013 7:18:47 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Close encounters of the Asteroidal Kind At 01:06 AM 2/7/2013 -0500, k.

[amsat-bb] Re: Close encounters of the Asteroidal Kind

2013-02-07 Thread Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL
At 01:06 AM 2/7/2013 -0500, k...@verizon.net wrote: Next week (Feb 15) the earth will be visited by asteroid 2012 DA14 passing inside the gestationary satellite orbits. To quote from http://echo.jpl.nasa.gov/asteroids/2012DA14/2012DA14_planning.html, 2012 DA14 was discovered by the La Sagra Sky