Typo, should have read http://www.uk.amsat.org/?p=5153
73 Trevor M5AKA
--- On Thu, 27/9/12, Gus 8P6SM <8p...@anjo.com> wrote:
> > Ion motor, see http://www.uk.amsat.org//p=5153
>
> This 404'd.
>
> -- 73, de Gus 8P6SM
> The Easternmost Isle
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On 09/26/2012 10:06 AM, Trevor . wrote:
Ion motor, see http://www.uk.amsat.org//p=5153
This 404'd.
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73 Bob W7LRD
- Original Message -
From: "Steve May"
To: AMSAT-BB@amsat.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 1:37:03 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Launch Costs (was-re: AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol. 7, Issue
312)
I don't know why everyone thinks it is
I don't know why everyone thinks it is so expensive to send something to
space. Here is a video of a couple of guys that sent some Natural Light
beer "into space" with a weather balloon. Why can't we just get together
with these guys and send up a satellite?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_00eZtsuJ
--- On Wed, 26/9/12, Gus 8P6SM <8p...@anjo.com> wrote:
> One can understand the reluctance to allow an explosive
> kick-motor on a launch vehicle. But is that the only
> way?
Ion motor, see http://www.uk.amsat.org//p=5153
There are several groups currently developing CubeSats with some form of
At 06:04 PM 9/26/2012, Gus 8P6SM wrote:
On 09/26/2012 01:38 AM, Tony Langdon wrote:
And of someone wanted to try out a new propulsion system on a live
satellite, I'm sure AMSAT would be more than happy to help with the
comms side of things.
One can understand the reluctance to allow an explosi
We don't need anything so fancy as springs or rubber bands. Electric
propulsion is a mature, safe technology, with many universities and
organizations developing experimental thrusters that need to be tested in
space. Some of them even use solid propellant so no need to do safety
qualification on a
On 09/26/2012 01:38 AM, Tony Langdon wrote:
And of someone wanted to try out a new propulsion system on a live
satellite, I'm sure AMSAT would be more than happy to help with the
comms side of things.
One can understand the reluctance to allow an explosive kick-motor on a
launch vehicle. But
Hi,
Since Sept 2009 (when I subscribed to the list) - this thread is most
interesting!
I have great opportunity to help small educational team which is
building 1U cubesat.
And I have to agree 200% with Tony that there is great potential for
ham community in finding space related educational
[amsat-bb] Re: Launch Costs (was-re: AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol. 7,
> Issue 312)
> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 20:17:00 -0400
> To: orbit...@hotmail.com
>
> They weren't offering a free launch on Dragonlab. See my previous post about
> pricing.
>
> This is about as much as
lfstream fleet out to do things for which people
"pay" nothing or little because he gives to good causes.
While AMSAT and other groups might or not compete with paying payloads have we
lost the ability to go out and convince people that AMSAT is a worthy cause?
Specific question. Has AM
and I suspect if AMSAT starts looking outside of the "education
box" they will find one as well.
Meanwhile Oscar 7 keeps on chugging RGO WB5MZO
> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 00:05:26 -0400
> From: n8...@usa.net
> To: amsat-bb@amsat.org
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Launch Costs (
Are we pursing the Dragon lab option? Robert WB5MZO
> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:42:43 -0400
> From: glasbren...@mindspring.com
> To: orbit...@hotmail.com
> Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Re: Launch Costs (was-re: AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol. 7,
> Issue 312)
> CC: amsat-bb@amsat.org
>
At 02:05 PM 9/26/2012, Daniel Schultz wrote:
Amsat has tried to sell the emergency and disaster communications aspect of
amateur radio but so far nobody has bitten on that bait. Getting space on a
tower is a few thousand dollars per year, getting a free satellite launch
represents a thousand tim
> ...if here in Houston we had to "pay rent" for our tower space (and we have
a
> couple of them) then the group that I am a part of which has a pretty nice
> repeater/packet system would simply be out of luck. What we were able to
do
> is convince the folks who usually take the large dollars to v
iPhone
On Sep 25, 2012, at 7:52 PM, R Oler wrote:
> Are we pursing the Dragon lab option? Robert WB5MZO
>
> > Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:42:43 -0400
> > From: glasbren...@mindspring.com
> > To: orbit...@hotmail.com
> > Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Re: Launch Costs (was
At 10:06 AM 9/25/2012, Bill W1PA wrote:
Based on the economics, those of us with aspirations of having a HEO
in the near future might be better off
upgrading our set-ups for the high-reliability _passive_ HEO that is
available (aka EME).
With absolutely no intent at sarcasm, any pointers to ar
>Specific question. Has AMSAT approached SpaceX for a "good cause" launch?
>RGO WB5MZO
Yes. We went to them, and they came to us to talk about DragonLab.
Keep in mind both ARISSat and now Fox have had "good cause" launches provided,
but strictly due to the educational component.
73, Drew KO
Based on the economics, those of us with aspirations of having a HEO in the
near future might be better off
upgrading our set-ups for the high-reliability _passive_ HEO that is
available (aka EME).
With absolutely no intent at sarcasm, any pointers to articles on how to
take a HEO-class statio
o go out and convince people that AMSAT is a
> worthy cause?
>
> Specific question. Has AMSAT approached SpaceX for a "good cause" launch?
> RGO WB5MZO
>
> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 07:47:28 -0400
> From: glasbren...@mindspring.com
> To: orbit...@hotmail.com
> Sub
ring.com
To: orbit...@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Re: Launch Costs (was-re: AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol. 7,
Issue 312)
CC: amsat-bb@amsat.org
I'll just leave this here, to prove the reality of the situation:
http://www.thespacereview.com/article/1913/1
"Doud said that SpaceX recent
s/Missions/
From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] on behalf of R
Oler [orbit...@hotmail.com]
Sent: 25 September 2012 00:05
To: glasbren...@mindspring.com
Cc: Amsat BB
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Launch Costs (was-re: AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol. 7, Issue
312)
Drew..No it is n
--- On Tue, 25/9/12, Gus 8P6SM <8p...@anjo.com> wrote:
> > If we look at the Kickstarter site we can see satellite projects
> > that between them have raised almost $300,000 yet the online
> > Fundraising by the projects took just 30 days.
>
> Pity we can't obtain funding by the same means. It i
--- On Tue, 25/9/12, Daniel Schultz wrote:
> According to Google there are 33 teams vying for the Google Lunar X
> Prize. Where are these groups getting the money for their launch to
> the moon?
I'm not aware that any of the groups yet has the money to buy all the launches
each team will requ
burned to a very nice
elliptical orbit...Robert WB5MZO
> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 01:05:09 +
> From: kq...@verizon.net
> To: amsat-bb@amsat.org
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Launch Costs (was-re: AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol. 7, Issue
> 312)
>
> That would be the cost to fly a
be able to find some space on the Falcon heavy launch.
Robert WB5MZO
CC: amsat-bb@amsat.org
From: glasbren...@mindspring.com
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: Launch Costs (was-re: AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol. 7,
Issue 312)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 21:56:33 -0400
To: orbit...@hotmail.com
That's correct,
According to Google there are 33 teams (
http://www.googlelunarxprize.org/teams ) vying for the Google Lunar X Prize.
Where are these groups getting the money for their launch to the moon? Are any
of them "for real"? Many amateur space groups are just blowing hot air, they
have a lot of enthusiasm
That's correct, but then again SpaceX isn't in business to give away launches.
It's a false premise.
However, the Fox project is building multiple flight units, because
occasionally 1U cubesat slots do open on short notice, and an off-the-shelf
spacecraft has a chance to fly. This isn't without
ZO
> Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 19:36:44 -0400
> From: 8p...@anjo.com
> To: amsat-bb@amsat.org
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Launch Costs (was-re: AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol. 7, Issue
> 312)
>
> On 09/24/2012 03:47 PM, Barry Baines wrote:
> > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT-BB Digest, Vo
That would be the cost to fly as a secondary payload.
The bulk of the launch cost is paid by the primary payload, and that
currently runs anywhere from 90 million to 130 million, depending on
payload weight and desired orbit.
73, Jim KQ6EA
On 09/24/2012 08:04 PM, Mark L. Hammond wrote:
At
On 9/24/12, Bob- W7LRD wrote:
> What if we convince a consortium of educational institutions they need a
> HEO. Do educational institutions have to pay the going rate?
If my alma mater is an indication, it might be a waste of time trying
to convince a lot of educational institutions to put anyt
On 09/24/2012 05:18 PM, Trevor . wrote:
If we look at the Kickstarter site we can see satellite projects that
between them have raised almost $300,000 yet the online Fundraising
by the projects took just 30 days.
Pity we can't obtain funding by the same means. It isn't as if we
wouldn't be ab
Re: Launch Costs (was-re: AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol. 7, Issue
312)
> Clearly, we must expand beyond the amateur radio community
> to raise funds of this magnitude, but to do so requires
> both a non-amateur radio "vision" to what a HEO satellite
> would provide (e.g. e
On 09/24/2012 03:47 PM, Barry Baines wrote:
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 7, Issue 312
From: Mark Spencer
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 13:26:45 -0700 (PDT)
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> Clearly, we must expand beyond the amateur radio community
> to raise funds of this magnitude, but to do so requires
> both a non-amateur radio "vision" to what a HEO satellite
> would provide (e.g. excite non-amateurs) as well as a
> "Case for Support" that would attract major donors,
> su
Actually, I hope folks understand and recall that AMSAT's mission and
vision statement was changed a few years ago.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/AboutAmsat/mission.php
So there isn't a program underway to replace AO-40.
That happened at an annual meeting and was voted on by paid members as
I r
Thanks Barry and Mark for posting this number, I know it's been published
in various Symposium Proceedings. I don't think some of the people who
regularly post here and bemoan the good old days realize how much the
launch cost really is or what the effort is to get that kind of money. If
I ever wi
At 02:47 PM 9/24/2012, you wrote in part:
>BTW, we'd be happy to accept your $44.00 to renew your AMSAT membership; you
>can renew online at www.amsat.org... ;-)
not in my lifetime as long as the only thing I see is the FM sats.
By the way how is that program going to replace AO 40 ??
_
At AMSAT-UK Colloquium last week, Peter said the current cost to HEO
for P3E or something like it is curently $10 Million (and the joke
was, pick your currency--it's about the same no matter what--US
dollar, Euros, GBP, etc.--BIG money)
So the number holds.
Mark N8MH
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