Re: [android-developers] Re: supports-screens question

2011-01-24 Thread Dianne Hackborn
I would like to have some way to mark devices as CDD compatible or such,
but can't figure out a way to do this that the ROM builders wouldn't just
say they are.

On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 11:52 PM, Jonas Petersson jonas.peters...@xms.sewrote:

 On 01/24/2011 08:31 AM, Zsolt Vasvari wrote:

 On Jan 23, 10:46 pm, Kostya Vasilyevkmans...@gmail.com  wrote:

 Getting a little futher OT - I sometimes get comments from users of
 custom
 firmware, in fact, at this point, issues are typically caused by
 Frankenstein-like firmware (kernel from here, apps from there, WiFi and
 radio drivers extracted from standard firmware, well, you get the idea).


 I can attest to this also.  I had a user with an alpha Cyanogen
 firmware that even crashed when creating the private database folder
 (whichi is done by SQLite).  I spent hours debugging his stuff and
 then finally he updated his FW and it started working.  So now every
 time I get a weird problem like that, my first question is if they are
 using a custom ROM.


 Been there too. Camera not returning images, Barcode scanner going nuts,
 etc. When I see something wierd I typically ask then to download my
 help-page - the http headers will often (but not always) hint when you have
 the Frankenstein syndrome.

 I've also seen what appears to be developer boards being used with my
 Market-only apps - obviously stolen (but then again, they are free
 soo...). Those beasts are mighty weird it seems. IP addresses in Russia/Asia
 BTW.

Best / Jonas


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Re: [android-developers] Re: supports-screens question

2011-01-24 Thread Kostya Vasilyev

24.01.2011 10:52, Jonas Petersson пишет:


Been there too. Camera not returning images, Barcode scanner going 
nuts, etc. When I see something wierd I typically ask then to download 
my help-page - the http headers will often (but not always) hint when 
you have the Frankenstein syndrome.


Yep, and the funniest thing is that my users seem to always insist it's 
a bug in my program, and not an issue with their firmware. Even (and 
especially) if that firmware promises to make their low-end phone into 
at least a Nexus S.


So it's at least partly a psychological problem, more than a technical 
one, just like with task killers (although they seem to be getting less 
popular these days).


-- Kostya

I've also seen what appears to be developer boards being used with my 
Market-only apps - obviously stolen (but then again, they are free 
soo...). Those beasts are mighty weird it seems. IP addresses in 
Russia/Asia BTW. 


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Re: [android-developers] Re: supports-screens question

2011-01-24 Thread Kostya Vasilyev

24.01.2011 17:16, Brill Pappin пишет:

Funny you should say that. My Analytics are showing two Nokia N90
entries.
I started wondering if Nokia is playing around with Android or if
someone was hacking Nokia's to run it.


NITDroid - a port of Android for the Nokia internet tablets, including N900:

http://www.nitdroid.com/index.php?title=NITDroid_project



I kind of wish they would because I love their attention to detail
when they build phones.

- Brill Pappin

On Jan 24, 2:52 am, Jonas Peterssonjonas.peters...@xms.se  wrote:

On 01/24/2011 08:31 AM, Zsolt Vasvari wrote:
I've also seen what appears to be developer boards being used with my
Market-only apps - obviously stolen (but then again, they are free
soo...). Those beasts are mighty weird it seems. IP addresses in
Russia/Asia BTW.

 Best / Jonas



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Re: [android-developers] Re: supports-screens question

2011-01-23 Thread Kostya Vasilyev
The M860 appears to be the CDMA twin brother of the UMTS-based U8230 (sold
in Russia, Ukraine, etc.)

The specs at link below say 320x480, 3.5 - a pretty typical HVGA (other
sites I'm not posting here also give the same numbers).

You can see it quite clearly in the screenshots, too:

http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/android/97298/

-- Kostya

2011/1/23 Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com

 That phone has 3.5 screen (same as an iPhone), and while it's not
 impossible, I would find it extremely hard to believe that it's a
 240x320 screen.  I think you would see pixelation even on a YouTube
 video of that were the case.  I believe the HVGA part of the
 description is correct and it's, in fact, a HVGA 320x480 device.

 On Jan 23, 8:51 am, kernelpanic j.m.roya...@gmail.com wrote:
  looking at the Huawei website, it states that device is 320x240 HVGA
 
  is the HVGA the issue here?
 
  On Jan 22, 5:35 pm, kernelpanic j.m.roya...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 
   yes, that's how I decided I had an issue - he left a 1 star rating
   with this comment
 
   cannot play on my huawei ascend touchscreen please fix
 
   On Jan 22, 5:29 pm, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote:
 
It should be a child of manifest, so that is fine.  Do you know
 what
device this was allowed to be installed on?
 
On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 2:47 PM, kernelpanic j.m.roya...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 ok, thanks. According to the docs, it should just be in the
 manifest -
 I have this
 
uses-sdk android:minSdkVersion=5 android:targetSdkVersion=8
 /
 
uses-permission android:name=android.permission.INTERNET
 /
uses-permission android:name=android.permission.VIBRATE
 /
 
 supports-screens
android:smallScreens=false
android:normalScreens=true
android:largeScreens=true android:anyDensity=true/
 
 should it be inside the application tag maybe?
 
 On Jan 22, 2:15 pm, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote:
  It absolutely should be filtered from Market.  There are lots of
 apps
 that
  aren't available to small screen devices because they don't
 support small
  screens.  Make sure you have the tag in the right place in your
 manifest.
 
  On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 4:02 AM, kernelpanic 
 j.m.roya...@gmail.com
 wrote:
   I'm using the following
 
   supports-screens
  android:smallScreens=false
  android:normalScreens=true
  android:largeScreens=true android:anyDensity=true/
 
   but had someone with a 320x240 screen download the app from the
 market
   - of course it doesn't work on that small screen.
 
   My question is why would someone with a screen that small be
 able to
   see the app in the market?
 
   any insight appreciated
 
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Re: [android-developers] Re: supports-screens question

2011-01-23 Thread Jonas Petersson

On 01/23/2011 03:08 PM, kernelpanic wrote:

thanks - I found several other sites that disagree with the
manufacturer's site and state 320x480 as well.

The app was tested and works fine (according to a few other users) on
a Samsung Transform which is 320x455, so not sure why the claim that
it doesn't work.

The person never bothered to contact me directly or ask for a refund,
so it may just be someone that wanted pay so they could vote 1 star,
who knows.


Getting somewhat OT here, but I wouldn't be surprised if it is in fact 
someone with a competing product that will flat out spread lies. I've 
seen such things in the past: someone kept updating a comment (about 
once a week) which claimed that my (free) phone number lookup app had 
deleted everything in his phonebook - which is technically absurd since 
the only write operation performed is an add and even if it was true, 
why would he then keep the app installed for several months to update 
that comment? Also, it's not like it is hard to send me an email so that 
I could look into that claim if it had any truth at all in it.


I'm afraid it's a dog-eat-dog world out there for some people - very 
sad. Having any way at all to respond to Market comments would be 
excellent...


Best / Jonas

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Re: [android-developers] Re: supports-screens question

2011-01-23 Thread Kostya Vasilyev
Getting a little futher OT - I sometimes get comments from users of custom
firmware, in fact, at this point, issues are typically caused by
Frankenstein-like firmware (kernel from here, apps from there, WiFi and
radio drivers extracted from standard firmware, well, you get the idea).

I would really love to see a way to respond to comments to address this.

And something good - recently someone posted an ignorant 1-star comment for
my app, that was full of swear words (in Russian). After a few days, the
comment disappeared - so it looks Google has an algorithm that searches for
certain words in comments and removes them.

-- Kostya

2011/1/23 Jonas Petersson jonas.peters...@xms.se

 On 01/23/2011 03:08 PM, kernelpanic wrote:

 thanks - I found several other sites that disagree with the
 manufacturer's site and state 320x480 as well.

 The app was tested and works fine (according to a few other users) on
 a Samsung Transform which is 320x455, so not sure why the claim that
 it doesn't work.

 The person never bothered to contact me directly or ask for a refund,
 so it may just be someone that wanted pay so they could vote 1 star,
 who knows.


 Getting somewhat OT here, but I wouldn't be surprised if it is in fact
 someone with a competing product that will flat out spread lies. I've seen
 such things in the past: someone kept updating a comment (about once a week)
 which claimed that my (free) phone number lookup app had deleted everything
 in his phonebook - which is technically absurd since the only write
 operation performed is an add and even if it was true, why would he then
 keep the app installed for several months to update that comment? Also, it's
 not like it is hard to send me an email so that I could look into that claim
 if it had any truth at all in it.

 I'm afraid it's a dog-eat-dog world out there for some people - very sad.
 Having any way at all to respond to Market comments would be excellent...

Best / Jonas


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Re: [android-developers] Re: supports-screens question

2011-01-23 Thread Jonas Petersson

On 01/24/2011 08:31 AM, Zsolt Vasvari wrote:

On Jan 23, 10:46 pm, Kostya Vasilyevkmans...@gmail.com  wrote:

Getting a little futher OT - I sometimes get comments from users of custom
firmware, in fact, at this point, issues are typically caused by
Frankenstein-like firmware (kernel from here, apps from there, WiFi and
radio drivers extracted from standard firmware, well, you get the idea).


I can attest to this also.  I had a user with an alpha Cyanogen
firmware that even crashed when creating the private database folder
(whichi is done by SQLite).  I spent hours debugging his stuff and
then finally he updated his FW and it started working.  So now every
time I get a weird problem like that, my first question is if they are
using a custom ROM.


Been there too. Camera not returning images, Barcode scanner going nuts, 
etc. When I see something wierd I typically ask then to download my 
help-page - the http headers will often (but not always) hint when you 
have the Frankenstein syndrome.


I've also seen what appears to be developer boards being used with my 
Market-only apps - obviously stolen (but then again, they are free 
soo...). Those beasts are mighty weird it seems. IP addresses in 
Russia/Asia BTW.


Best / Jonas

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Re: [android-developers] Re: supports-screens question

2011-01-22 Thread Dianne Hackborn
It should be a child of manifest, so that is fine.  Do you know what
device this was allowed to be installed on?

On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 2:47 PM, kernelpanic j.m.roya...@gmail.com wrote:

 ok, thanks. According to the docs, it should just be in the manifest -
 I have this

uses-sdk android:minSdkVersion=5 android:targetSdkVersion=8 /
 
uses-permission android:name=android.permission.INTERNET /
uses-permission android:name=android.permission.VIBRATE /

 supports-screens
android:smallScreens=false
android:normalScreens=true
android:largeScreens=true android:anyDensity=true/

 should it be inside the application tag maybe?

 On Jan 22, 2:15 pm, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote:
  It absolutely should be filtered from Market.  There are lots of apps
 that
  aren't available to small screen devices because they don't support small
  screens.  Make sure you have the tag in the right place in your manifest.
 
 
 
  On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 4:02 AM, kernelpanic j.m.roya...@gmail.com
 wrote:
   I'm using the following
 
   supports-screens
  android:smallScreens=false
  android:normalScreens=true
  android:largeScreens=true android:anyDensity=true/
 
   but had someone with a 320x240 screen download the app from the market
   - of course it doesn't work on that small screen.
 
   My question is why would someone with a screen that small be able to
   see the app in the market?
 
   any insight appreciated
 
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Re: [android-developers] Re: supports-screens question

2011-01-22 Thread Dianne Hackborn
Er 320x240 is definitely not HVGA. :}

On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 4:51 PM, kernelpanic j.m.roya...@gmail.com wrote:

 looking at the Huawei website, it states that device is 320x240 HVGA

 is the HVGA the issue here?



 On Jan 22, 5:35 pm, kernelpanic j.m.roya...@gmail.com wrote:
  yes, that's how I decided I had an issue - he left a 1 star rating
  with this comment
 
  cannot play on my huawei ascend touchscreen please fix
 
  On Jan 22, 5:29 pm, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote:
 
   It should be a child of manifest, so that is fine.  Do you know what
   device this was allowed to be installed on?
 
   On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 2:47 PM, kernelpanic j.m.roya...@gmail.com
 wrote:
ok, thanks. According to the docs, it should just be in the manifest
 -
I have this
 
   uses-sdk android:minSdkVersion=5 android:targetSdkVersion=8 /
 
   uses-permission android:name=android.permission.INTERNET /
   uses-permission android:name=android.permission.VIBRATE /
 
supports-screens
   android:smallScreens=false
   android:normalScreens=true
   android:largeScreens=true android:anyDensity=true/
 
should it be inside the application tag maybe?
 
On Jan 22, 2:15 pm, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote:
 It absolutely should be filtered from Market.  There are lots of
 apps
that
 aren't available to small screen devices because they don't support
 small
 screens.  Make sure you have the tag in the right place in your
 manifest.
 
 On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 4:02 AM, kernelpanic 
 j.m.roya...@gmail.com
wrote:
  I'm using the following
 
  supports-screens
 android:smallScreens=false
 android:normalScreens=true
 android:largeScreens=true android:anyDensity=true/
 
  but had someone with a 320x240 screen download the app from the
 market
  - of course it doesn't work on that small screen.
 
  My question is why would someone with a screen that small be able
 to
  see the app in the market?
 
  any insight appreciated
 
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Re: [android-developers] Re: supports-screens question

2011-01-22 Thread Dianne Hackborn
This is all beside the point, but I am just saying that HVGA is by
definition 480x320.  They have a mistake in their description.  Anyway, in
the platform and elsewhere we don't care about HVGA or any other
resolution names at all, just the actually resolution width and height (and
of course density).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphic_display_resolutions

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphic_display_resolutionsMaybe they did
something bogus like modify their device to report it is a normal screen.
 Can you find out if your app is visible on other QVGA devices?

On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 6:08 PM, kernelpanic j.m.roya...@gmail.com wrote:

 I believe you, but


 http://www.huaweidevice.com/worldwide/productFeatures.do?pinfoId=2880directoryId=2044treeId=44



 On Jan 22, 7:56 pm, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote:
  Er 320x240 is definitely not HVGA. :}
 
 
 
  On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 4:51 PM, kernelpanic j.m.roya...@gmail.com
 wrote:
   looking at the Huawei website, it states that device is 320x240 HVGA
 
   is the HVGA the issue here?
 
   On Jan 22, 5:35 pm, kernelpanic j.m.roya...@gmail.com wrote:
yes, that's how I decided I had an issue - he left a 1 star rating
with this comment
 
cannot play on my huawei ascend touchscreen please fix
 
On Jan 22, 5:29 pm, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote:
 
 It should be a child of manifest, so that is fine.  Do you know
 what
 device this was allowed to be installed on?
 
 On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 2:47 PM, kernelpanic 
 j.m.roya...@gmail.com
   wrote:
  ok, thanks. According to the docs, it should just be in the
 manifest
   -
  I have this
 
 uses-sdk android:minSdkVersion=5
 android:targetSdkVersion=8 /
 
 uses-permission
 android:name=android.permission.INTERNET /
 uses-permission android:name=android.permission.VIBRATE
 /
 
  supports-screens
 android:smallScreens=false
 android:normalScreens=true
 android:largeScreens=true android:anyDensity=true/
 
  should it be inside the application tag maybe?
 
  On Jan 22, 2:15 pm, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote:
   It absolutely should be filtered from Market.  There are lots
 of
   apps
  that
   aren't available to small screen devices because they don't
 support
   small
   screens.  Make sure you have the tag in the right place in your
   manifest.
 
   On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 4:02 AM, kernelpanic 
   j.m.roya...@gmail.com
  wrote:
I'm using the following
 
supports-screens
   android:smallScreens=false
   android:normalScreens=true
   android:largeScreens=true
 android:anyDensity=true/
 
but had someone with a 320x240 screen download the app from
 the
   market
- of course it doesn't work on that small screen.
 
My question is why would someone with a screen that small be
 able
   to
see the app in the market?
 
any insight appreciated
 
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Re: [android-developers] Re: supports-screens question

2011-01-22 Thread Dianne Hackborn
It would help a lot to find someone with a different QVGA device to see if
your app also shows up there.  That will be a big step in isolating whether
this is device-specific problem or something more general.

On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 7:24 PM, kernelpanic j.m.roya...@gmail.com wrote:

 like I said, I believe you - of all the people to not believe - you
 are not on that list. I admit I am new to android, but  I know how
 to butter toast as they say

 All I know is someone downloaded my app from the market (the only
 place it is avail) and claims to have that device - that was the
 whole point of my inquiry about the supports-screens thing

 So either they are lying, they have figured out a way to fool the
 market, or the market got fooled some other way, or I am lying, or you
 are lying

 And as stated in the first sentence, I know that you are not lying -
 and I doubt that I am lying, so there ya go





 On Jan 22, 9:09 pm, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote:
  This is all beside the point, but I am just saying that HVGA is by
  definition 480x320.  They have a mistake in their description.  Anyway,
 in
  the platform and elsewhere we don't care about HVGA or any other
  resolution names at all, just the actually resolution width and height
 (and
  of course density).
 
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphic_display_resolutions
 
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphic_display_resolutionsMaybe they did
  something bogus like modify their device to report it is a normal screen.
   Can you find out if your app is visible on other QVGA devices?
 
 
 
  On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 6:08 PM, kernelpanic j.m.roya...@gmail.com
 wrote:
   I believe you, but
 
  http://www.huaweidevice.com/worldwide/productFeatures.do?pinfoId=2880.
 ..
 
   On Jan 22, 7:56 pm, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote:
Er 320x240 is definitely not HVGA. :}
 
On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 4:51 PM, kernelpanic j.m.roya...@gmail.com
   wrote:
 looking at the Huawei website, it states that device is 320x240
 HVGA
 
 is the HVGA the issue here?
 
 On Jan 22, 5:35 pm, kernelpanic j.m.roya...@gmail.com wrote:
  yes, that's how I decided I had an issue - he left a 1 star
 rating
  with this comment
 
  cannot play on my huawei ascend touchscreen please fix
 
  On Jan 22, 5:29 pm, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote:
 
   It should be a child of manifest, so that is fine.  Do you
 know
   what
   device this was allowed to be installed on?
 
   On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 2:47 PM, kernelpanic 
   j.m.roya...@gmail.com
 wrote:
ok, thanks. According to the docs, it should just be in the
   manifest
 -
I have this
 
   uses-sdk android:minSdkVersion=5
   android:targetSdkVersion=8 /
 
   uses-permission
   android:name=android.permission.INTERNET /
   uses-permission
 android:name=android.permission.VIBRATE
   /
 
supports-screens
   android:smallScreens=false
   android:normalScreens=true
   android:largeScreens=true
 android:anyDensity=true/
 
should it be inside the application tag maybe?
 
On Jan 22, 2:15 pm, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com
 wrote:
 It absolutely should be filtered from Market.  There are
 lots
   of
 apps
that
 aren't available to small screen devices because they don't
   support
 small
 screens.  Make sure you have the tag in the right place in
 your
 manifest.
 
 On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 4:02 AM, kernelpanic 
 j.m.roya...@gmail.com
wrote:
  I'm using the following
 
  supports-screens
 android:smallScreens=false
 android:normalScreens=true
 android:largeScreens=true
   android:anyDensity=true/
 
  but had someone with a 320x240 screen download the app
 from
   the
 market
  - of course it doesn't work on that small screen.
 
  My question is why would someone with a screen that small
 be
   able
 to
  see the app in the market?
 
  any insight appreciated
 
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