Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Fwd: Re: botnet controllers

2020-07-09 Thread Randy Bush
> Getting back to your street example. We -just like the police- are > unable to watch the streets 24/7/365 for a potential bank robber > traversing the street or more like the police here in the states seem unable to police themselves internally for fascist racist murderers.

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Fwd: Re: botnet controllers

2020-07-09 Thread info
Getting back to your street example. We -just like the police- are unable to watch the streets 24/7/365 for a potential bank robber traversing the street. Assuming that we lease the street and let others use it openly, we can only do our best to keep miscreants off it. It is however not a

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Fwd: Re: botnet controllers

2020-07-09 Thread Serge Droz via anti-abuse-wg
On 09.07.20 19:52, i...@fos-vpn.org wrote: > Yes, VPN services can be used for unlawful activities such as Tor Exit > Nodes or public WiFi Hotspots; that lies in the nature of things. > However we believe that most of our customers behave behave in a > responsible fashion and respect the laws

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Fwd: Re: botnet controllers

2020-07-09 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Thu, Jul 09, 2020 at 07:52:44PM +0200, i...@fos-vpn.org wrote: > Yes, VPN services can be used for unlawful activities such as Tor Exit > Nodes or public WiFi Hotspots; that lies in the nature of things. > However we believe that most of our customers behave behave in a > responsible

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Fwd: Re: botnet controllers

2020-07-09 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via anti-abuse-wg
I've trouble to understand why you see "sharing info or files with information of abuse records", is a legal penalty. The only "penalty" (filtering) is imposed by other folks using those files and taking their own decision. If they are doing anything wrong against the law, Andorra is not a safe

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Fwd: Re: botnet controllers

2020-07-09 Thread info
Sorry, but only legal entities have the right to impose penalties, not privately owned companies. Spamhaus behaves as if they would be executive, legislative and judiciary at once. They immunize itself against legal actions by moving their headquarters outside the EU. Furthermore, they violate

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Fwd: Re: botnet controllers

2020-07-09 Thread Esa Laitinen
On Thu, 9 Jul 2020, 18:36 , wrote: > > Those "Escalation Listings" cause big problems and there is no > independent board of arbitration which could bring a solution in such > cases. > You already admitted you're providing services to users that don't obey your ToS, and who are involved in

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Fwd: Re: botnet controllers

2020-07-09 Thread info
Please don't argue with each other. I always seek for diplomatic solutions. I never said that everything what Spamhaus did in the past was wrong. They might have done a good job in fighting SPAM, but what we experienced in recent years was that Spamhaus attacked various hosting and upstream

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Fwd: Re: botnet controllers

2020-07-09 Thread Brian Nisbet
Serge, all, Elad Cohen is still under moderation on this WG and every mail is being reviewed on a case-by-case basis. Right now, his emails only reach the list if someone replies to them, copying the list, so I will repeat our request that people not do that, please. If you wish to report any

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Fwd: Re: botnet controllers

2020-07-09 Thread Serge Droz via anti-abuse-wg
Hello @Moderators Can you please suspend this participant? I take offense at this. We may disagree on issues and opinions. However I feel there is no space for name calling. Best regards Serge On 09.07.20 15:16, Elad Cohen wrote: > Michele how more bigger asshole you can be to be the puppet

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Fwd: Re: botnet controllers

2020-07-09 Thread Michele Neylon - Blacknight
+1 on all points That someone who won't even disclose who they are has the gall to demand that Spamhaus or anyone else should is hilarious and disturbing. -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com https://blacknight.blog /

[anti-abuse-wg] Helping EU identify BGP Hijacking as a risk

2020-07-09 Thread CSIRT.UMINHO Marco Teixeira
Hello fellow members, I will take the chance to also thank Angel for bringing this to our attention. It seems "regulation" is coming... I wonder if "BGP Hijacking" poses a risk to "the safety and rights of users or the rights of companies to compete in a fair market". I guess so, and I urge

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Fwd: Re: botnet controllers

2020-07-09 Thread Brian Nisbet
Angel, Thank you for this, a very useful prompt! Brian Brian Nisbet Service Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland +35316609040 brian.nis...@heanet.ie www.heanet.ie Registered in Ireland,

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Fwd: Re: botnet controllers

2020-07-09 Thread Serge Droz via anti-abuse-wg
Hi ángel Thanks, good advice indeed. I second you to make your views known to the Commission. Best Serge On 09.07.20 09:16, Angel Fernandez Pineda wrote: > Hi, > I would like to make a recommendation to all of you. The EU has opened a > consultation on the Digital Service Act, a future

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Fwd: Re: botnet controllers

2020-07-09 Thread Angel Fernandez Pineda
Hi, I would like to make a recommendation to all of you. The EU has opened a consultation on the Digital Service Act, a future regulation that aims to review the role of digital platforms and technoly intermediaries and establish regulations to protect the rights of users and companies that

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Fwd: Re: botnet controllers

2020-07-09 Thread Serge Droz via anti-abuse-wg
Hi Info Maybe one of the reasons some Non-logging VPNs end up on blacklist sis that the Non-Looging phrase is just an excuse to not go after misuse. The rights to privacy and free speech do not mean anything goes. You can fight abuse without violating privacy. But of course that's not for free,