Re: [anti-abuse-wg] AS24940 Hetzner -- non-role contact wanted

2019-04-25 Thread Randy Bush
>> Mr. Chairman, I ask you to summarily eject the member in question > So, if you do not get your way, me being ejected, then you are > threatening the Chair? ok children. this is a waste of other people's bandwidth. if you want to carry on in private, go for it. but stop pissing in the

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] AS24940 Hetzner -- non-role contact wanted

2019-04-25 Thread ac
On Thu, 25 Apr 2019 17:41:20 -0700 "Ronald F. Guilmette" wrote: > > Mr. Chairman, I ask you to summarily eject the member in question > from the mailing list with clear instructions not to return and not > to try to do so via the ruse of yet additional sock puppet fradulent > identities. I ask

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] AS24940 Hetzner -- non-role contact wanted

2019-04-25 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message , Brian Nisbet wrote: >This conversation is not in any way useful to the community at this point >and it is definitely not in the spirit of the Code of Conduct. Point of order Mr. Chairman! I am now, quite reluctantly, obliged to ask if you also are in agreement with the specific

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Policy Proposal 2019-03 Update

2019-04-25 Thread Randy Bush
> The four week discussion phase for 2019-03 officially ended just over > a week ago. Since then, while there has been further welcome > discussion on list, the WG Co-Chairs have been discussing the next > steps with the proposers and the NCC Policy Officer. We have reached > the following

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] standard for abuse reporting (was: VoIP)

2019-04-25 Thread Ángel González Berdasco
On 25-04-2019 16:45 +0200, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > I will rather prefer an IETF standard for abuse reporting ... already thought > about starting it several times ... sooner or later I will write down > something, so may be some other people interested to co-author? > > Regards, > Jordi

[anti-abuse-wg] Updated Agenda - RIPE AA-WG @ RIPE78

2019-04-25 Thread Brian Nisbet
Colleagues, The first update to the draft agenda for our meeting in Reykjavik: A. Administrative Matters * Welcome * Scribe, Jabber, Stenography * Microphone Etiquette * Approve Minutes from RIPE 77 * Finalise agenda B. Update * B1. Recent List Discussion C. Policies

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] VoIP

2019-04-25 Thread ac
On Thu, 25 Apr 2019 16:45:18 +0200 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via anti-abuse-wg wrote: > I will rather prefer an IETF standard for abuse reporting ... already > thought about starting it several times ... sooner or later I will > write down something, so may be some other people interested to >

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] VoIP

2019-04-25 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via anti-abuse-wg
I will rather prefer an IETF standard for abuse reporting ... already thought about starting it several times ... sooner or later I will write down something, so may be some other people interested to co-author? Regards, Jordi El 25/4/19 16:14, "anti-abuse-wg en nombre de ac" escribió:

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] VoIP

2019-04-25 Thread ac
On Thu, 25 Apr 2019 14:06:39 +0200 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via anti-abuse-wg wrote: > Reading the article in a minute ! > However, as an information pointer I've some data ... > I've an VM with asterisk at home, and every day I've to ban (I use > fail2ban to do it automatically after 3 failed

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] VoIP

2019-04-25 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via anti-abuse-wg
Reading the article in a minute ! However, as an information pointer I've some data ... I've an VM with asterisk at home, and every day I've to ban (I use fail2ban to do it automatically after 3 failed attempts from the same IP), average about 20 IPs attempting to use my SIP service to my

[anti-abuse-wg] VoIP

2019-04-25 Thread ac
Hi, I read an interesting article this morning and I thought I should share. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/24/technology/personaltech/stop-robocalls.html It is interesting how the types of abuse are related to the costs, geo, etc as well as perceived benefits thereof. Although I have setup

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] AS24940 Hetzner -- non-role contact wanted

2019-04-25 Thread Brian Nisbet
All, This conversation is not in any way useful to the community at this point and it is definitely not in the spirit of the Code of Conduct. The request was made in regards to a contact. The initial discussion was about whether Hetzner's processes were valid or not, that is fine. However

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] AS24940 Hetzner -- non-role contact wanted

2019-04-25 Thread ac
On Thu, 25 Apr 2019 02:42:35 -0700 "Ronald F. Guilmette" wrote: > I have just been reviewing the RIPE Code of Conduct for mailing > lists, and specifically these sections: > > > https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/ripe-mailing-list-ripe-forum-code-of-conduct > > RIPE community

[anti-abuse-wg] Policy Proposal 2019-03 Update

2019-04-25 Thread Brian Nisbet
Colleagues, The four week discussion phase for 2019-03 officially ended just over a week ago. Since then, while there has been further welcome discussion on list, the WG Co-Chairs have been discussing the next steps with the proposers and the NCC Policy Officer. We have reached the following

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] AS24940 Hetzner -- non-role contact wanted

2019-04-25 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
ac wrote: >I also do not transmit, empower or relay any unsolicited bulk email. I should start by expressing my appreciation for the fact that you have attempted to provide an answer, even if it was to a rather different question from the one I asked. I've been fighting to get spammers off

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] AS24940 Hetzner -- non-role contact wanted

2019-04-25 Thread ac
On Thu, 25 Apr 2019 08:11:55 +0200 Gert Doering wrote: > Hi, > On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 07:52:44AM +0200, ac wrote: > > NETWORK providers provide routing - to companies, people and even > > countries > Hetzner is not exactly a *network* provider. They are more a hosting > shop, and if you do

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] AS24940 Hetzner -- non-role contact wanted

2019-04-25 Thread ac
On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 23:06:44 -0700 "Ronald F. Guilmette" wrote: > ac you wrote: > >rfg wrote: > >> defend spammers AND those who sell them services. You aren't by > >> any chance in the bulk emailing business, or in the bulk emailing > >> support business yourself, are you?Sorry, but

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] AS24940 Hetzner -- non-role contact wanted

2019-04-25 Thread Richard
Guten Tag Gert, you are on the correct path, totally agree. They are a cloud provider and it is extremely clear what services they offer from their own public website. Hence a renter, as such, could set up a server and start emailing the planet, so there is no excuse to feel attacked and acuse

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] AS24940 Hetzner -- non-role contact wanted

2019-04-25 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 07:52:44AM +0200, ac wrote: > NETWORK providers provide routing - to companies, people and even > countries Hetzner is not exactly a *network* provider. They are more a hosting shop, and if you do that, you need to take responsibility for criminal activities inside

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] AS24940 Hetzner -- non-role contact wanted

2019-04-25 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
ac you wrote: >rfg wrote: >> And by the way, one can't help wondering what makes you so eager to >> defend spammers AND those who sell them services. You aren't by any >> chance in the bulk emailing business, or in the bulk emailing support >> business yourself, are you?Sorry, but under