Apple-Crop: Scaffolds 7/20

2009-07-22 Thread Art Agnello
A new issue of Scaffolds Fruit Newsletter for the week of 7/20 has been posted at: http://www.nysaes.cornell.edu/ent/scaffolds/2009/ INSECTS - Orchard Radar Digest - Model Building - Stink bug in the Hudson Valley DISEASES - Indar for apple and plum CHEM NEWS - Indar expanded registra

Re: Apple-Crop: LA Times Re: organic

2009-07-22 Thread Axel Kratel
Craig, the answer to your first question is definitely yes. You have no idea what I've seen done around here. There are many farmers who apply pesticides as a routine, in fact, the bigger the inorganic production, the more likely the pesticides are applied indiscriminately because it's more expe

RE: Apple-Crop: LA Times Re: organic

2009-07-22 Thread Smith, Tim
Re draining rivers: Right now, the Columbia River (the major source of most of Pacific Northwest irrigation Water) is running at the rate of about 75,000 cubic feet per second. We'll be careful not to use more than the 4 to 5% of the river flow used for irrigation so that the people who are fis

Re: Apple-Crop: LA Times Re: organic

2009-07-22 Thread Daniel Cooley
Keep it out of your eyes and don't drink it, and you will be fine. Different forms of sulfides are also used in dandruff shampoos. I would not take a bath in any water with dissolved inorganic pesticides, but lime sulfur, I'd put that in my jacuzzi to simulate the hot Springs. The

Re: Apple-Crop: LA Times Re: organic

2009-07-22 Thread Axel Kratel
My response to Dave somehow bounced off Apple-crop list. So here it is for you all to read - see below. But before you read my response, lest anybody mistakes me for an organic fanatic, let me clarify that my orchard is conventional, but I prefer taking a middle of the road path. I don't like to

Apple-Crop: LA Times Re: organic

2009-07-22 Thread Con.Traas
Excellent Dave and Chris, Now this discussion is getting somewhere. Here in Ireland it is said that for every calorie that gets to the consumers mouth, 9 calories of fossil fuel are used to generate that calorie. With fossil fuels as a non-sustainable resource (due to depleting reserves as well a

Re: Apple-Crop: LA Times Re: organic

2009-07-22 Thread craig
do you seriously believe that most fruit poducers do not use "as little pesticides as possible" and instead "assault" their fruit with pesticides? that is an incredibly backward statement. Pesticides cost money, some can be pretty darn expensive. I, for one, do not like to waste money and alw

Re: Apple-Crop: LA Times Re: organic

2009-07-22 Thread Bill Shoemaker
I don't mean to belabor this topic, but I don't think its been properly addressed yet in this thread. Taste is subjective and very difficult to objectively sort out. But in my 27 years of experience working with fruit and vegetable growers, organic and conventional, with a personal interest in t

Re: Apple-Crop: LA Times Re: organic

2009-07-22 Thread edwdollx2
If livestock, dairy ?and poultry farmers quit raising their ?products. ?the supply of manure for composting or fertilizers will be nil.? I posed this question to an invited organic grower (the originator of the Topato),? speaker at the SW Illinois Vegetable Growers meeting in 1968:? "where is th

Re: Apple-Crop: LA Times Re: organic

2009-07-22 Thread Mo Tougas
Axel We too use lime sulfur and I agree that the benefits are numerous. Twenty years ago we bought sulfur by the ton as our non synthetic fungicide of choice for the production of peaches here in the humid northeast. That ceased when a friend was hospitalized due to a severe allergic reacti