Re: [apple-crop] Deer, Fireblight, Liquid Fence
I use a product called Bobbex. From a trial which seemed objective, it out-performed other deer repellant products. This product is recommended only for use on non-bearing trees, as it supposedly imparts an off-flavor to the fruit, which was actually a selling point for me. Anything that lasts so long as to render sprayed fruit inedible must last a long time. I've been using it for the last three years on new plantings with good success. My experience so far with it is that deer won't eat sprayed foliage, but will eat any new growth unsprayed. At their recommended mix, Bobbex is about 1/2 price for finished spray compared to the liquid fence mentioned above. A 5 gallon pail costs about $200 online. I've been mixing it at 1/2 of recommended strength and still getting good protection as long as new growth is covered. I use it on new trees during the rutting season and it also seems to help reduce rutting. We have plans to put an electric fence up in the near future which of course is the only true protection. Mark Angermayer Tubby Fruits ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] Deer, Fireblight, Liquid Fence
The only deer deterrent I've seen that works long term is a good fence. I don't doubt you that deer can spread blight. I never believed it until it happened to me but fire blight can also be spread from the smoke (or more likely ash) from a burn pile. When a neighbor removed a block of severely blight Bosc pears the plume of smoke that expanded from the burn pile exactly matched the subsequent infection that occurred on full bloom Gala trees. Bill Fleming Montana State University Western Ag Research Center 580 Quast Lane Corvallis, MT 59828 406-961-3025 Cell- 406-529-2409 -Original Message- From: apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net] On Behalf Of lee elliott Sent: Monday, June 09, 2014 6:52 AM To: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net Subject: [apple-crop] Deer, Fireblight, Liquid Fence Deer browsing on young trees is spreading fireblight, I know this is true, a small fenced in area in my orchard has little to no fireblight while the rest is fire blight city, I am using Liquid Fence,on newly planted trees, its a product made from putrified egg whites, this stuff really works but has to be applied every 10 days or after major rain storms, problem is its is very expensive, a bottle that treats 4 gallons is $30 at the local farm store. I would like to know how to make some myself, does anyone know how to do this?? Lee Elliott, winchester, Illinois On Fri, 6/6/14, apple-crop-requ...@virtualorchard.net apple-crop-requ...@virtualorchard.net wrote: Subject: apple-crop Digest, Vol 42, Issue 14 To: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net Date: Friday, June 6, 2014, 11:00 AM Send apple-crop mailing list submissions to apple-crop@virtualorchard.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to apple-crop-requ...@virtualorchard.net You can reach the person managing the list at apple-crop-ow...@virtualorchard.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of apple-crop digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Sprayer Calibration Between Training Styles (Fleming, William) -- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 09:17:17 -0600 From: Fleming, William w...@exchange.montana.edu To: Apple-crop discussion list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net Subject: Re: [apple-crop] Sprayer Calibration Between Training Styles Message-ID: 0ed0d5ff52b2b3469bc620dba56ed85c8963169...@excms.msu.montana.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Nick, as long as you are getting sufficient coverage in both growing systems I would personally find it easier to mix up two different tanks with different quantities of material rather than mess with swapping nozzles. Bill Fleming Montana State University Western Ag Research Center Corvallis, MT 59828 -Original Message- From: apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net] On Behalf Of Nick Lucking Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 12:54 AM To: apple-crop discussion list Subject: Re: [apple-crop] Sprayer Calibration Between Training Styles Thanks for the responses. So when you guys use the spray controllers do you try to maintain the same GPA across all blocks? Seems like if you don't have one (like me) and you mix a tank to apply across multiple training styles with varying row spacing the pesticide rate per acre would be out of whack between them. Here's my scenario. 1.5 acres is conventional free standing and 1.5 is tall spindle. When I did TRV calculations last season and checked the GPM of sprayer nozzles obviously with the difference in row spacing the rate was way higher for the tall spindle block. When I adjusted the gear speed so the GPA would match the free standing block, tractor speed was way too fast ~4 MPH. I suppose I could get another set of smaller nozzles for the tall spindle block to try to keep things even between blocks. Any further advise? Cheers, Nick Lucking Cannon Valley Orchard Cannon Falls, MN ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.netmailto:apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://virtualorchard.net/pipermail/apple-crop/attachments/20140606/d08bb74a/attachment-0001.html -- ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop End of apple-crop Digest, Vol 42, Issue 14
Re: [apple-crop] Deer, Fireblight, Liquid Fence
Lee, we use a product called Repells All by Bonide that lasts up to 2 months and is made up of Dried Blood , Putrescent whole egg solids, Garlic oil, Acetic Acid, Potassium Sorbate, Cloves, Fish oil, Onions, Meat meal, Seaweed, Vanillin, Vitamin E, and Wintergreen oil. It comes in a 6 lb. bag as granules and is also available in liquid. The granules are a bit less expensive and are rainfast within 6 hours. A six pound bag costs about $30 and covers about 5,000 square feet. We use it in our sugar cube melons to keep the raccoons off them and around our young trees to keep the deer off them. One bag covers about 3 to 4 400' rows of trees. I don't know if this would be less expensive for you, but the product really does work for us. Dennis Norton IPM Specialist/Certified Nurseryman Royal Oak Farm Orchard 15908 Hebron Rd. Harvard, IL 60033-9357 Office (815) 648-4467 Mobile (815) 228-2174 Fax (609) 228-2174 http://www.royaloakfarmorchard.com http://www.royaloakfarmorchard.blogspot.com - Original Message - From: lee elliott To: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net Sent: Monday, June 09, 2014 7:52 AM Subject: [apple-crop] Deer, Fireblight, Liquid Fence Deer browsing on young trees is spreading fireblight, I know this is true, a small fenced in area in my orchard has little to no fireblight while the rest is fire blight city, I am using Liquid Fence,on newly planted trees, its a product made from putrified egg whites, this stuff really works but has to be applied every 10 days or after major rain storms, problem is its is very expensive, a bottle that treats 4 gallons is $30 at the local farm store. I would like to know how to make some myself, does anyone know how to do this?? Lee Elliott, winchester, Illinois On Fri, 6/6/14, apple-crop-requ...@virtualorchard.net apple-crop-requ...@virtualorchard.net wrote: Subject: apple-crop Digest, Vol 42, Issue 14 To: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net Date: Friday, June 6, 2014, 11:00 AM Send apple-crop mailing list submissions to apple-crop@virtualorchard.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to apple-crop-requ...@virtualorchard.net You can reach the person managing the list at apple-crop-ow...@virtualorchard.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of apple-crop digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Sprayer Calibration Between Training Styles (Fleming, William) -- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 09:17:17 -0600 From: Fleming, William w...@exchange.montana.edu To: Apple-crop discussion list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net Subject: Re: [apple-crop] Sprayer Calibration Between Training Styles Message-ID: 0ed0d5ff52b2b3469bc620dba56ed85c8963169...@excms.msu.montana.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Nick, as long as you are getting sufficient coverage in both growing systems I would personally find it easier to mix up two different tanks with different quantities of material rather than mess with swapping nozzles. Bill Fleming Montana State University Western Ag Research Center Corvallis, MT 59828 -Original Message- From: apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net] On Behalf Of Nick Lucking Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 12:54 AM To: apple-crop discussion list Subject: Re: [apple-crop] Sprayer Calibration Between Training Styles Thanks for the responses. So when you guys use the spray controllers do you try to maintain the same GPA across all blocks? Seems like if you don't have one (like me) and you mix a tank to apply across multiple training styles with varying row spacing the pesticide rate per acre would be out of whack between them. Here's my scenario. 1.5 acres is conventional free standing and 1.5 is tall spindle. When I did TRV calculations last season and checked the GPM of sprayer nozzles obviously with the difference in row spacing the rate was way higher for the tall spindle block. When I adjusted the gear speed so the GPA would match the free standing block, tractor speed was way too fast ~4 MPH. I suppose I could get another set of smaller nozzles for the tall spindle block to try to keep things even between blocks. Any further advise? Cheers, Nick Lucking Cannon Valley Orchard Cannon Falls, MN ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] Deer, Fireblight, Liquid Fence
I've tried many products and most of the ones mentioned in this thread. Liquid Fence = Ranch Dressing. Dried Blood is deer code for Merlot. Here in Montana, if a deer is hungry, he will eat anything. I finally put in an eight foot high tensile fence. On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 7:59 AM, dmnor...@royaloakfarmorchard.com wrote: Lee, we use a product called Repells All by Bonide that lasts up to 2 months and is made up of Dried Blood , Putrescent whole egg solids, Garlic oil, Acetic Acid, Potassium Sorbate, Cloves, Fish oil, Onions, Meat meal, Seaweed, Vanillin, Vitamin E, and Wintergreen oil. It comes in a 6 lb. bag as granules and is also available in liquid. The granules are a bit less expensive and are rainfast within 6 hours. A six pound bag costs about $30 and covers about 5,000 square feet. We use it in our sugar cube melons to keep the raccoons off them and around our young trees to keep the deer off them. One bag covers about 3 to 4 400' rows of trees. I don't know if this would be less expensive for you, but the product really does work for us. Dennis Norton IPM Specialist/Certified Nurseryman Royal Oak Farm Orchard 15908 Hebron Rd. Harvard, IL 60033-9357 Office (815) 648-4467 Mobile (815) 228-2174 Fax (609) 228-2174 http://www.royaloakfarmorchard.com http://www.royaloakfarmorchard.blogspot.com - Original Message - *From:* lee elliott pippm...@yahoo.com *To:* apple-crop@virtualorchard.net *Sent:* Monday, June 09, 2014 7:52 AM *Subject:* [apple-crop] Deer, Fireblight, Liquid Fence Deer browsing on young trees is spreading fireblight, I know this is true, a small fenced in area in my orchard has little to no fireblight while the rest is fire blight city, I am using Liquid Fence,on newly planted trees, its a product made from putrified egg whites, this stuff really works but has to be applied every 10 days or after major rain storms, problem is its is very expensive, a bottle that treats 4 gallons is $30 at the local farm store. I would like to know how to make some myself, does anyone know how to do this?? Lee Elliott, winchester, Illinois On Fri, 6/6/14, apple-crop-requ...@virtualorchard.net apple-crop-requ...@virtualorchard.net wrote: Subject: apple-crop Digest, Vol 42, Issue 14 To: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net Date: Friday, June 6, 2014, 11:00 AM Send apple-crop mailing list submissions to apple-crop@virtualorchard.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to apple-crop-requ...@virtualorchard.net You can reach the person managing the list at apple-crop-ow...@virtualorchard.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of apple-crop digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Sprayer Calibration Between Training Styles (Fleming, William) -- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 09:17:17 -0600 From: Fleming, William w...@exchange.montana.edu To: Apple-crop discussion list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net Subject: Re: [apple-crop] Sprayer Calibration Between Training Styles Message-ID: 0ed0d5ff52b2b3469bc620dba56ed85c8963169...@excms.msu.montana.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Nick, as long as you are getting sufficient coverage in both growing systems I would personally find it easier to mix up two different tanks with different quantities of material rather than mess with swapping nozzles. Bill Fleming Montana State University Western Ag Research Center Corvallis, MT 59828 -Original Message- From: apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net] On Behalf Of Nick Lucking Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 12:54 AM To: apple-crop discussion list Subject: Re: [apple-crop] Sprayer Calibration Between Training Styles Thanks for the responses. So when you guys use the spray controllers do you try to maintain the same GPA across all blocks? Seems like if you don't have one (like me) and you mix a tank to apply across multiple training styles with varying row spacing the pesticide rate per acre would be out of whack between them. Here's my scenario. 1.5 acres is conventional free standing and 1.5 is tall spindle. When I did TRV calculations last season and checked the GPM of sprayer nozzles obviously with the difference in row spacing the rate was way higher for the tall spindle block. When I adjusted the gear speed so the GPA would match the free standing block, tractor speed was way too fast ~4 MPH. I suppose I could get another set of smaller nozzles for the tall spindle block to try to keep things even between blocks. Any further advise? Cheers, Nick Lucking
