Re: [aqm] Is bufferbloat a real problem?

2015-02-27 Thread David Collier-Brown
Yup! Loss is a bit of like hitting someone with a 2 x 4 as a clue-stick. It hurts, but it sure does work! --dave On 02/27/2015 09:16 PM, KK wrote: This could also be done by not having to depend on Œloss¹ as the primary source of feedback... On 2/27/15, 6:00 PM, David Collier-Brown

Re: [aqm] Is bufferbloat a real problem?

2015-02-27 Thread KK
This could also be done by not having to depend on Œloss¹ as the primary source of feedback... -- K. K. Ramakrishnan Professor Dept. of Computer Science and Engineering University of California, Riverside Rm. 332, Winston Chung Hall Tel: (951) 827-2480 Web Page: http://www.cs.ucr.edu/~kk/

Re: [aqm] Is bufferbloat a real problem?

2015-02-27 Thread David Collier-Brown
IMHO, removing latency is the aim of FQ. Once done, buffer sizes can be unbounded (save by price (;-)) --dave On 02/27/2015 01:52 PM, Curtis Villamizar wrote: In message 2134947047.1078309.1424979858723.javamail.ya...@mail.yahoo.com Daniel Havey writes: I know that this question is a

Re: [aqm] Is bufferbloat a real problem?

2015-02-27 Thread Curtis Villamizar
In message 2134947047.1078309.1424979858723.javamail.ya...@mail.yahoo.com Daniel Havey writes: I know that this question is a bit ridiculous in this community. Of course bufferbloat is a real problem. However, it would be nice to formally address the question and I think this community

Re: [aqm] aqm Digest, Vol 24, Issue 18

2015-02-27 Thread dpreed
Having done many experiments in many locations, I can tell you it is a real problem and a severe problem, in the real world. I can observe it every time I fly from Boston to San Jose and back (which I do once per month). If you use Gogo (the provider that supports several airlines' network

Re: [aqm] Is bufferbloat a real problem?

2015-02-27 Thread Daniel Havey
Switching to gmail because Yahoo is too horrible to use. Like I said, I agree that bufferbloat is only 1 part of a two sided problem. The queue with respect to each flow can be either two large or too small (and sometimes just right?). Anyways, I'm just wondering if there are any measurement

Re: [aqm] Is bufferbloat a real problem?

2015-02-27 Thread Daniel Havey
Have to hop on a plane soon. But yes and yes! I think you are talking about the queue sizing problem as I like to call it instead of bufferbloat. I have some work in that direction in my dissertation defense that I am about to give. However, I also have an exigent problem. In that same