Re: [aqm] [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] ping loss considered harmful

2015-03-04 Thread dpreed
It's a heavy burden to place on ICMP ping to say that it should tell you about all aspects of its path through all the networks between source and destination. On the other hand, I'll suggest that Fred's point - treat ICMP Ping like any other IP datagram with the same header options is the

Re: [aqm] the cisco pie patent and IETF IPR filing

2015-03-04 Thread KK
On 3/4/15, 1:42 AM, David Lang da...@lang.hm wrote: On Wed, 4 Mar 2015, KK wrote: Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2015 01:01:19 -0800 From: KK k...@cs.ucr.edu To: Vishal Misra mi...@cs.columbia.edu, Dave Taht dave.t...@gmail.com Cc: aqm@ietf.org aqm@ietf.org, bloat bl...@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject:

Re: [aqm] [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] ping loss considered harmful

2015-03-04 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Wed, 4 Mar 2015, dpr...@reed.com wrote: DSCP should not be changed en route, so the receiver of the echo reply should be able to know what DSCP was used on the reply packet. Changing the DSCP bits by the ISP is definitely not unheard of, so don't count on it. -- Mikael Abrahamsson

Re: [aqm] the cisco pie patent and IETF IPR filing

2015-03-04 Thread Rong Pan (ropan)
The correct Cisco IPR is http://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2540/. Vishal has done pioneering work in TCP modeling and in bringing in the classical PI controller into the AQM space. I have certainly learned a lot from him. We referenced their paper in our draft and paper, we even mentioned his name

Re: [aqm] the cisco pie patent and IETF IPR filing

2015-03-04 Thread Dave Taht
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 2:08 PM, Rong Pan (ropan) ro...@cisco.com wrote: The correct Cisco IPR is http://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2540/. Thank you very much for the pointer to the correct IPR filing. I apologize for being grumpy. -- Dave Täht Let's make wifi fast, less jittery and reliable

Re: [aqm] ping loss considered harmful

2015-03-04 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Mon, 2 Mar 2015, Dave Taht wrote: I note that there are conflicting definitions of CS1 (background). Comcast, re-marks about 90% I see to CS1 from whatever it was originally, in the hope that it is treated as background. The ancient firmware in commercial home routers *prioritizes* CS1 on

Re: [aqm] the cisco pie patent and IETF IPR filing

2015-03-04 Thread David Lang
On Wed, 4 Mar 2015, KK wrote: Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2015 01:01:19 -0800 From: KK k...@cs.ucr.edu To: Vishal Misra mi...@cs.columbia.edu, Dave Taht dave.t...@gmail.com Cc: aqm@ietf.org aqm@ietf.org, bloat bl...@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [aqm] the cisco pie patent and IETF IPR filing I

[aqm] A new(ish) study on ECN in the Internet

2015-03-04 Thread Brian Trammell
Greetings, all, We'll be publishing an active measurement study on ECN negotiability and connectivity risk at PAM 2015, just before the IETF; the author copy of the paper is at http://ecn.ethz.ch/ecn-pam15.pdf. The key findings are: (1) More than half of the Alexa top million web servers