What if we're elitist and don't want newbies like you switching to Linux
The ml is not the place for you to be a jackass. Take it elsewhere
*gasp*
How long till this whole community just figures it hates itself and
vaporizes to dust? I'll be there and fuel the vaporizer.
On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 16:22:28 -0700, Rob Bean papab...@gmail.com wrote:
Has anyone else stripped HAL completely out of their Arch install?
Thats exactly why heresy was started. ( http://hereticlinux.org/ )
Its archlinux minus hal/dbus/rapekit.
Search the list for Whats wrong with dbus anyway
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 05:57:36 +0100, Sebastian Köhler sebkoeh...@whoami.org.uk
wrote:
I've two problems with ifplugd and net-auto-wired. When ifplugd is
started during boot my speakers make a weird and very loud moep
sound. When started from a console after boot no such sound occurs.
Intel and
Apparantly i chose the wrong IPS. My upload is extremly tiny. When i
upload something with only 5kb, my dowload rate dies.
I assume that's because Acks don't get through in time.
Anyone got an idea how to give those priority?
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 01:24:30 -0500, andrew james and...@systemssingular.com
wrote:
has anyone else a funky thunderbird vers 3?
yes, see some older thread on the ML.
any switch values to cause it to work quicker?
enabling offline reading seems to fix some of my issues
alternatively,
On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 13:08:10 -0500, Jeff Horelick jdho...@gmail.com wrote:
if someone actually posts patches or other constructive stuff, please CC
me. We're rewriting pacman anyway and looking for a solution to handle
this mess in particular.
Right now the only idea i got is versioned deps
Hi,
i was wondering if anyone maintained a QGtkStyle for use outside
gnome. Would be duplicated work and i guess i'm not the only one who
uses gtk styles but not gnome.
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On Sat, 6 Feb 2010 17:32:32 -0500, Jim Pryor lists+arch-gene...@jimpryor.net
wrote:
There's a qgtkstyle-svn in AUR. Is it broken?
its outdated. QGtkStyle is now part of qt, so its harder to maintain the
non-gnome patch.
But thanks for posting. Reading from the comments, it seems a
suprisingly
AlannY,
Recently, I've found that Arch mounts tmpfs on /dev. And, as you may see,
this makes big problem to some applications.
i'd call it annoyance, but i cant see big problems for the typical arch
user who are loving udev/hal/etc..
Is there anything particular you are experiencing issues
On 01/28/2010 10:15 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote:
I cannot use a license that is missinterpreted by too many people and that for
this reason is used to attack the project.
like, the CDDL?
Seriously, you should have seen that comming.
Debian has a Master degree in Gnu zealotery and
On 02/04/2010 02:33 PM, Thomas Bächler wrote:
I'd like you to find any modern Linux distribution that doesn't do it
this way. Good luck with that.
HereticLinux :P
On 01/19/2010 08:09 PM, Dimitrios Apostolou wrote:
sorry for hijacking your thread but speaking of dark themes, I have been
looking for ages for a nice reverse theme for gtk+ but every single one
I remember wasn't perfect... Anyone 100% happy with a reverse theme?
i like NOX from
On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:33:20 -0700, Steve Holmes steve.holme...@gmail.com
wrote:
If bottom-posting is so passionately desirable, then may I suggest
people trim down the history of a thread.
One is supposed to add their answer to the bottom of
the _quote_ not the mail. People who do otherwise
On 01/06/2010 12:03 AM, Jim Pryor wrote:
Hi this is the author of yacron again.
I've just heard from Matt Dillon, he says he's happy for me to take over
development and maintainership of dcron.
Congratulation. That's good news. I liked Yacron for maintaining
minimalism while still meeting
On 01/02/2010 05:35 PM, Lars Tennstedt wrote:
I can print with Firefox, GIMP,
OpenOffice and GNOME applications but I cannot still with KDE 4 or Qt 4
applications.
please check if pure qt applications work, such as opera. If not, how
does the failure ocure?
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On 01/02/2010 09:20 PM, Lars Tennstedt wrote:
Qt4 applications behave like KDE4 applications. The printer recognizes
the job and all it prints is a blank paper, sometimes with headline but
always without the body.
Does the same failure appear when printing to pdf?
Also please try the
On 12/28/2009 03:39 AM, David C. Rankin wrote:
Guys,
After the recent discussion about arch working well on old hardware, I decided
to dump a suse 10.3 install on an old AMD K6-2/450 and install arch on it. I
downloaded the net install iso i686. I knew if it was truly i686 it wouldn't
On 12/28/2009 03:58 PM, nez...@allurelinux.org wrote:
Could you fix your date or whatever is wrong with your setup:
huh thanks. didn't notice.
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On 12/21/2009 01:31 PM, Frédéric Perrin wrote:
Le lundi 21 à 18:57, Laurie Clark-Michalek a écrit :
And on the anal sex point... actually, I think it'd be better for the
convocation as a whole if we dropped that analogy.
On 12/18/2009 01:26 AM, Damien Churchill wrote:
Isn't this what POSIX was, albeit quite old now, but still a standard?
imagine that: some people out there still think posix is THE standard
and people should read the spec BEFORE reimplementing basics in the name
of making things cross
On 12/17/2009 07:20 AM, Dan Martins wrote:
I believe that the messages need to be indexed before you will get the
new thread summary view, or whatever you want to call it.
yeah exactly my suspecion. Looks like i never get a stable index here.
probably because
1) i have over 120K messages
2)
Allan McRae wrote:
The comment two below that starts From what I can tell, that patch is
horrendously incorrect.
I have never heard horrendously incorrect describe a good patch before...
shows why we disagree on patches.
The proposed patch may compile, but the abi break had a reason and
On 12/15/2009 11:43 PM, Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
It doesn't display '3-4' lines, it's the first sentence or so, you see
3-4 lines because of the screen width.
I don't even get any sentences, just the ... (literally I see 3 dots
per message) as mentioned above. Looks like I'm alone on this...
same
Hussam Al-Tayeb wrote:
On Mon, 2009-12-14 at 12:01 +0200, Marti Raudsepp wrote:
Hi arch-general,
I'd like to point your attention to the Inkscape package: Inkscape
version 0.47 was released on November 25. This is a very significant
release that many Inkscape users have been waiting patiently.
Arvid Picciani wrote:
Sounds like either this discussion is worth discussing again.
i forgot to add: or you're a rare exception, Jan.
thanks for at least trying to see the point here, much aprechiated.
i hope others follow.
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Heiko Baums wrote:
If yes hal/dbus wouldn't do
any harm, too. Nobody detains you from using the keyboard.
Just for the sake of proving the legatimicity of this project for those
who still didnt get it:
as an example. do you follow the irc channel?
Somone just triggered the qgtkstyle bug
Heiko Baums wrote:
Do you know what a bug report is and what it is for?
http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-5545
this is an upstream bug, and a workaround inaproppriate to apply to
archs main repo, as i said.
Please read mails entirely and assume good faith and intelligence,
as i
Aaron Griffin wrote:
Mechanisms have existed for like 20 years before dbus to communicate
with other programs.
and those don't require a user space daemon.
dbus is just another way to do it that has a
smell of architecture astronomy - as if they all scoffed at the
actual ways to do IPC on
Nathan Wayde wrote:
what does any of that have to do with dbus in a technical sense?
There are multiple incorrect answers to this.
I'm going to chicken out of this argument, until someone proofreads my
essay on this topic.
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Allan McRae wrote:
I personally think your mis-reading the Arch Way.
So another person who mistakes the use of simplicity for minimalism. I
thought we had been through that many, many times.
Can we, independently of the technical details of dbus, agree all,
that I and some other people
Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
I actually think the you've been over-focusing on a single part of the
'arch way', that its 'all about' minimalism.
then i suggest we remove the statement that it is all about minimalism.
Throughout this thread the vibe I've been getting for you is that you
somehow feel
f...@kokkinizita.net wrote:
On Fri, Dec 04, 2009 at 12:08:29AM +0100, Arvid Picciani wrote:
Please, can we stop beating it now, and just officialy tell
minimalists to fuck off so everyone can stop wasting their time?
Bad spelling and foul language.
Yeah once again i fail at not offending
Sébastien Leblanc wrote:
Please, stop filling my inbox with useless junk.
Please use the kill thread option of your MUA. Messages like this aren't
helping anyone, and are especcialy not helping to minimize the thread
length.
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Heiko Baums wrote:
Show me a more minimalist distribution than Arch and Gentoo. I guess
you won't find one. And if you did I suggest you switching to this
distro.
This is the entire reason i want arch to officialy state that these
users are not welcome. I want to move on, so we can split up
Pierre Chapuis wrote:
Take gedit for example. It is a text editor, and:
[23:44 TA|catwell] ldd $(which gedit) | grep dbus
libdbus-glib-1.so.2 = /usr/lib/libdbus-glib-1.so.2
(0x7f5df48bb000)
libdbus-1.so.3 = /usr/lib/libdbus-1.so.3 (0x7f5df467c000)
AFAIK it
Heiko Baums wrote:
So why do you continue ranting about Arch?
I tried not to. All i wanted is a clear cut, but i think i'm alone with
that wish, so i'll stop beating it.
You're the ones who'll have to deal with this procedure over and over
again (not with me. no worries)
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On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 10:04:16PM -0200, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto wrote:
The *Kit family maybe could be replaced by a good set of ACLs, but
even that can be problematic, as not all the concepts that are
configured by PolicyKit or ConsoleKit are files. And the Unix security
model of
Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
What does upstream have to say about this dependency? Does not seem
'necessary' to me
http://blogs.igalia.com/itoral/2006/03/30/adding-dbus-support-to-gedit/
priceless finding.
let me sum up:
- There is feature X which works very well
- He discovered it doesn't use dbus.
-
Denis A. Altoé Falqueto wrote:
2009/12/4 Arvid Picciani a...@exys.org:
http://blogs.igalia.com/itoral/2006/03/30/adding-dbus-support-to-gedit/
priceless finding.
let me sum up:
- There is feature X which works very well
- He discovered it doesn't use dbus.
- He starts work on a very
Arvid Picciani wrote:
It's done. All i want is to settle this in a useful way.
Nathan Wayde wrote:
I originally identified you as a poisonous person and you just keep
confirming my theory.
a I found a problem
b I made aware of the problem
c I have provided patches
d I have provided
Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
All this 'fork this fork that' threatening is really quite sad.
A fork is not a threat. It's a suggestion to resolve problems outside
the current project politics. I can't see why anyone would be offended
by this.
I know
its common in open source and linux in
Arvid Picciani wrote:
Aaron Griffin wrote:
If you have legitimate, actionable fixes for anything you take issue
with, please post them to the bug tracker. Until then, this is just
hot air.
I take that as an invite to post packages to the tracker that adhere to
the arch way. If this turns
Jan de Groot wrote:
Now you're propably saying numbers of downstream decisions doesn't say
anything. Very true, which is why i prefer arguing about intent
a...@andariel: ~ grep Maintainer /var/abs/core/dbus-core/PKGBUILD
# Maintainer: Jan de Groot j...@archlinux.org
and bias
So, just
Jan de Groot wrote:
Dbus support in wpa-supplicant is not broken. A not working
networkmanager is broken. We have to make a choice here, and having
broken software isn't the right choice, is it?
dbus is indeed broken. so its a different tradeof then you suggest.
Additionaly, i don't intent
Jan de Groot wrote:
Ah, so my intent is to put dbus support in every possible package in
the repository.
This is in fact what i claim.
Am I convicted now? What's the sentence?
That you read and reflect on the ideas archlinux was built on.
One of your
removed patches is one that
Allan McRae wrote:
While I am at it, lets see why your arguements just grepping for
enable|disable etc are idiotic. Take the gcc PKGBUILD:
i have pointed out myself that those do not form a valid argument.
Trying to disprove my other points by doing that _again_ does not work.
I personally
Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
Design simplicity? How is --enable-dbus less simple than --disable-dbus
or the equivalents?
My argument was --enable-dbus vs ie the defaults.
Simplicity isn't a hammer with which to attack every package that
doesn't conform to minimalism by your definition.
Yes you
Heiko Baums wrote:
There is a second option regarding your dbus/wpa_supplicant example.
Why not file a bug report/feature request to upstream of networkmanager
to remove dbus from it? Of course you need to file this bug
report/feature request to upstream of every package which depends on
dbus.
Piyush P Kurur wrote:
I am curious. What desktop do you use Arvid ?
None at all.
I used one of these desktops (kde3) a few years ago because terminals
started to age and lack modern features.
But then the antidesktop movement has lifted keyboard centric user
experience to a modern
Piyush P Kurur wrote:
I use xmonad and share your dislike for hal/dbus. This
however does not justify not having a decent PnP particulary
it would ...
when you want to install it for non-experts.
.. if what i THOUGHT archlinux is about (experts) was true.
However you appear to agree
Thomas Bächler wrote:
Apologize for being an asshole.
I have not intended to insult arch developers,
and i apologize if i did,..
You can either apologize to me now or STFU
to everyone but you, just to anger you.
and get yourself another
distro
well i guess that settles any ultimatum
Piyush P Kurur wrote:
Okey so you agree that Arch != Ubuntu. Now we have a way forward.
heh yeah, sorry, that comparison is rather childish. I regret i
responded to Thomas mail...
Arvid's reply to me made me search for antidesktop (I did not know
about such a movement)
i have no idea
Thomas Bächler wrote:
I consider such statements an insult
Sorry Thomas,
my response was retarded.
can you help me find another term i should use
to denote the desktop idea, that is not offensive?
I'll propably need it for further discussion,
and prefer NOT to piss of people.
gnomies mouse
Hey,
can you link me to a manual on custom repositories?
I couldn't find anything on the wiki.
Specifically what needs to be done on the server side to maintain the
package index.
Looks like that is all that's needed for a repo, is it?
thanks.
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Asgaard Technologies
Allan McRae wrote:
Arvid Picciani wrote:
Hey,
can you link me to a manual on custom repositories?
I couldn't find anything on the wiki.
Specifically what needs to be done on the server side to maintain the
package index.
Looks like that is all that's needed for a repo, is it?
thanks
http://heresy.asgaartech.com/
Let me know if this solution works for everyone
and/or if anyone is offended by anything on that
site or the fact that it exists
and/or if anything should be added to it.
Contributors very welcome :)
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Asgaard Technologies
Aaron Griffin wrote:
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Arvid Picciani a...@exys.org wrote:
http://heresy.asgaartech.com/
Let me know if this solution works for everyone
and/or if anyone is offended by anything on that
site or the fact that it exists
and/or if anything should be added
Aaron Griffin wrote:
You know, I tried making a script to do this and it ended up going no
where. The intent was to use makechrootpkg (from devtools) to build
packages in a chroot and consequently install the package to the
chroot when completed. The only stipulation was that you needed to
Piyush P Kurur wrote:
On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 01:54:10AM +0530, Raghavendra Prabhu wrote:
One thing I don't understand here is - why people crib that package B should
not have feature X. If you don't want that, ABS is for that. There are
plenty of packages which have additional dependencies
Hey,
i'm trying to sign up for the wiki,
the confirmation link yields a page that says:
Your e-mail address has now been confirmed.
though in the account preferences remains:
Your e-mail address is not yet authenticated. No e-mail will be sent
for any of the following features.
And i
obviously i do NOT want to remove xorg-server.
i don't need evdev, but:
:: xorg-server: requires xf86-input-evdev=2.2.5
so no removing it either.
the mirror i'm using has been updated today (December 1th), and i'm not
using testing.
mirrors package versions:
xorg-server 1.7.2-2
Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 12:43 +0100, Arvid Picciani wrote:
obviously i do NOT want to remove xorg-server.
i don't need evdev, but:
:: xorg-server: requires xf86-input-evdev=2.2.5
so no removing it either.
the mirror i'm using has been updated today (December 1th), and i'm
Dieter Plaetinck wrote:
can you give some examples of sites worth reading that don't work in
webkit?
actually it looks like webkit wins over opera right now. The only quirks
i found were worse in opera. I'm amazed.
going for uzbl. yey.
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Asgaard Technologies
Arvid Picciani wrote:
warning: cannot resolve hal=0.5.13, a dependency of xorg-server
never mind my bitching. rebuilding xorg-server without hal was a matter
of abs,edit,makepkg
3 arch
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Aaron Griffin wrote:
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Daenyth Blank daenyth+a...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/12/1 Arvid Picciani a...@exys.org:
Arvid Picciani wrote:
warning: cannot resolve hal=0.5.13, a dependency of xorg-server
never mind my bitching. rebuilding xorg-server without hal
Aaron,
Oh shit, seriously? Looks like I'll have to rebuild this as well.
It's your distro. I fail to see the whole reason why you have always
been in support of KISS and the arch way, but never seem to take action
to enforce it. Maybe it's something social, which i tend to be ignorant
Aaron Griffin wrote:
Which package has patches to add these features? Looking at
xorg-server, I only see one extraneous patch that simple replaces the
default grey stipple pattern with black. The rest seem (at a glance)
to fix real bugs
You have a point here, in that i have used a fuzzy
Jan de Groot wrote:
On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 19:45 +0100, Arvid Picciani wrote:
nope. The hal crap has been added to X a while ago as optional
(meaning X would just freeze without it, but at least pretend to
start)
, but the forced dependency is new (as in, it doesnt start when
compiled
with hal
Aaron Griffin wrote:
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Arvid Picciani a...@exys.org wrote:
...stuff...
Not sure what just happened here. I thought we were having a
legitimate discussion about xorg-server and this ballooned into
something crazy.
You wanted detailed proof, here you are.
i
Giovanni Scafora wrote:
2009/12/1, Arvid Picciani a...@exys.org:
I take that as an invite to post packages to the tracker that adhere to the
arch way. If this turns out to be another false promise, i will add that to
the next iteration.
is this a threat? :-)
if patches are lethal, YES :D
Giovanni Scafora wrote:
2009/12/1, Ng Oon-Ee ngoo...@gmail.com:
When I started on here the mantra was Arch is what you make it.
Packagers strive to make packages which are as vanilla as possible
(without breaking) and provide the utility expected of such packages. Of
course, if you want a
Aaron Griffin wrote:
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Arvid Picciani a...@exys.org wrote:
I take that as an invite to post packages to the tracker that adhere to the
arch way. If this turns out to be another false promise, i will add that to
the next iteration.
Assuming you meant packages
Ray Kohler wrote:
2009/12/1 Ng Oon-Ee ngoo...@gmail.com:
When I started on here the mantra was Arch is what you make it.
Packagers strive to make packages which are as vanilla as possible
(without breaking) and provide the utility expected of such packages. Of
course, if you want a system
Ray Kohler wrote:
What I personally am in support of, in the general case, is
suckless.org-style minimalism, rather than following upstream's
direction.
So if upstream changes the default to enable the hal and
dbus bits, I will then be in favor of Arch disabling them, and we'll
be in
Ionut Biru wrote:
IE.
ie combines all the flaws of the other browsers into one single browser.
i guess its a joke though.
you run out of options here.
yeah ... i figured that much. i hoped there is a corner i missed
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Daenyth Blank wrote:
I just saw a link on reddit this morning for notmuch, a sup-inspired
mail reader. Might be worth looking into
http://keithp.com/blogs/notmuch/
well its really not much. i wouldnt consider this a mua. its more a
search engine for muas. a pretty decent one though. maybe i
Mutt grows old and still doesn't do threads the way i want.
i've tried sup, but find it too early in development. Especcially it is
unusable slow.
Can somone recommend another MUA?
thanks
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Arvid
Asgaard Technologies
Sergej Pupykin wrote:
Arvid Picciani wrote:
Mutt grows old and still doesn't do threads the way i want.
i've tried sup, but find it too early in development. Especcially it
is unusable slow.
Can somone recommend another MUA?
thanks
emacs/gnus
emacs/wanderlust
?
humm.. i didn't know
Antony Jepson wrote:
On 2009-11-17, Patrick Brisbin wrote:
In gmail's web interface a thread is vertical, sorted by time. However
here in mutt, I can see that I've replied to you in our own little
thread branch.
I definitely prefer the proper threading available in Mutt. I often find
myself
Daenyth Blank wrote:
I just saw a link on reddit this morning for notmuch, a sup-inspired
mail reader. Might be worth looking into
http://keithp.com/blogs/notmuch/
looks very promising. thanks for sharing. couldnt compile it, but maybe
someone less lazy them me can educate that dude that
Ionut Biru wrote:
On 11/17/2009 07:07 PM, Arvid Picciani wrote:
Mutt grows old and still doesn't do threads the way i want.
i've tried sup, but find it too early in development. Especcially it is
unusable slow.
Can somone recommend another MUA?
thanks
you could try thunderbird. thunderbird
Alessandro Doro wrote:
Patch the Makefile (you don't need to run ./configure) then make.
--- Makefile2009-11-17 21:36:47.0 +0100
+++ ../Makefile 2009-11-17 21:36:03.0 +0100
@@ -4,14 +4,14 @@
hey that compiled. thanks. i didn't realize it has a makefile despite
failed
RedShift wrote:
Conclusion
We are losing ground. We are losing it fast. Our competitors recognize
what the
user wants and delivered.
I can't remember fighting for that ground, and I'd be totally happy if
the people who do would just go away.
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hollun...@gmx.at wrote:
The problem is that the Desktop Environments, GNOME and KDE, in their
quest for integrated desktop experience push more and more stuff
that's really only useful to those DEs deeper and deeper into the
system.
If you as a user need or want it or not, you get it.
I
Aaron Griffin wrote:
You read my mind. I was debating adding a little rant here about the
necessity of hal, consolekit, policykit, devicekit,
whatever-the-hellkit to do the stupidest things. It's real
counter-intuitive. And don't even get me started about linux audio -
apparently the core
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