I use xfce4+gdm, and want to have a auto-login
Google result show I can directly modify the /etc/gdm/custom.conf
Is there a xfce's GUI App achieve the same work?
Heiko Baums wrote:
If yes hal/dbus wouldn't do
any harm, too. Nobody detains you from using the keyboard.
Just for the sake of proving the legatimicity of this project for those
who still didnt get it:
as an example. do you follow the irc channel?
Somone just triggered the qgtkstyle bug
On Thu, 2009-12-03 at 16:59 +0800, 大熊 wrote:
I use xfce4+gdm, and want to have a auto-login
Google result show I can directly modify the /etc/gdm/custom.conf
Is there a xfce's GUI App achieve the same work?
Haven't used gdm in a while. Couldn't you use slim? Figure that would be
easier.
Am Thu, 03 Dec 2009 10:41:27 +0100
schrieb Arvid Picciani a...@exys.org:
as an example. do you follow the irc channel?
Somone just triggered the qgtkstyle bug that makes it assert when you
dont run dbus and gconf. But you can't do that, as it conflicts with
other software.
fixing the bug
Heiko Baums wrote:
Do you know what a bug report is and what it is for?
http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-5545
this is an upstream bug, and a workaround inaproppriate to apply to
archs main repo, as i said.
Please read mails entirely and assume good faith and intelligence,
as i
Am Wed, 02 Dec 2009 10:41:05 +0530 schrieb Shridhar Daithankar:
Following is my /etc/pacman.conf
--- [options]
HoldPkg=pacman glibc
SyncFirst=pacman
[core]
#Include=/etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 12:22 AM, Arvid Picciani a...@exys.org wrote:
Hey,
i'm trying to sign up for the wiki,
the confirmation link yields a page that says:
Your e-mail address has now been confirmed.
though in the account preferences remains:
Your e-mail address is not yet
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:44 AM, Axel Müller axel-mueller...@web.de wrote:
Am Wed, 02 Dec 2009 10:41:05 +0530 schrieb Shridhar Daithankar:
Following is my /etc/pacman.conf
--- [options]
HoldPkg=pacman glibc
SyncFirst=pacman
[core]
Am Thu, 03 Dec 2009 13:04:23 +0100
schrieb Arvid Picciani a...@exys.org:
Heiko Baums wrote:
Do you know what a bug report is and what it is for?
http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-5545
this is an upstream bug, and a workaround inaproppriate to apply to
archs main repo, as i
I like having the GUI option too, but this is an easy fix.
Your /etc/gdm/custom.conf should look something like this:
***
[daemon]
AutomaticLoginEnable=true
AutomaticLogin=user_that_will_be_logged_in
[xdmcp]
***
On Thu, 2009-12-03 at 18:03
大熊 wrote:
I use xfce4+gdm, and want to have a auto-login
Google result show I can directly modify the /etc/gdm/custom.conf
Is there a xfce's GUI App achieve the same work?
AFAIK there's no configuration gui available for the current version of GDM.
Edit /etc/gdm/custom.conf to contain this:
Hi, fellow archers.
I've created a new email with a new subject, so that who wants to
ignore this completely, can do it easily.
The recent past discussions about DBus got me thinking about an
unanswered question: what is technically wrong with DBus? After some
time researching about that, I
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
denisfalqu...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, fellow archers.
I've created a new email with a new subject, so that who wants to
ignore this completely, can do it easily.
The recent past discussions about DBus got me thinking about an
unanswered
2009/12/3 Aaron Griffin aaronmgrif...@gmail.com:
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
denisfalqu...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, fellow archers.
I've created a new email with a new subject, so that who wants to
ignore this completely, can do it easily.
The recent past
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Felipe Tanus fota...@gmail.com wrote:
Aaron didn't give any tech reason in his answear, and i don't
think someone will do, except the one you already said at your first
e-mail(no network). People who don't like DBus find it just
unecessary. I like DBus
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
denisfalqu...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Felipe Tanus fota...@gmail.com wrote:
Aaron didn't give any tech reason in his answear, and i don't
think someone will do, except the one you already said at your first
Aaron Griffin wrote:
Mechanisms have existed for like 20 years before dbus to communicate
with other programs.
and those don't require a user space daemon.
dbus is just another way to do it that has a
smell of architecture astronomy - as if they all scoffed at the
actual ways to do IPC on
On 03/12/09 18:14, Arvid Picciani wrote:
[...]
I'll add some additional points:
- it's implementation is large broken.
how so?
- most software depending on it, will crash when dbus
file bug reports and get developers to write proper software.
crashes, or fail to start uncracefully, or behave
Nathan Wayde wrote:
what does any of that have to do with dbus in a technical sense?
There are multiple incorrect answers to this.
I'm going to chicken out of this argument, until someone proofreads my
essay on this topic.
--
Arvid
Asgaard Technologies
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Arvid Picciani a...@exys.org wrote:
[...]
Well, let's see:
1. DBus has an user space daemon
I _think_ that this eases the transition of messages between the
applications and the user space bus. This also happens with Jack Audio
Connection Kit. Indeed, clients
On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 04:42:25PM -0200, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto wrote:
(...)
4. There are other IPC mechanisms
Yes, there are. But I think that each one has some drawbacks too.
CORBA, for example, is too heavy for simple use (Gnome developers can
tell a good story about that). XMLRPC
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 4:53 PM, André Ramaciotti da Silva
andre.ramacio...@gmail.com wrote:
I believe these aren't the 'other IPC mechanisms' they were talking about.
What about FIFOs and sockets?
In fact, DBus is implemented over Unix sockets. FIFOs and sockets
don't define the format that
Am Mittwoch 02 Dezember 2009 schrieb Heiko Baums:
Am Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:59:24 -0500
schrieb Carlos Williams carlosw...@gmail.com:
I have a Dell server (Power Edge 1855) blade that I am trying to
install Arch Linux on. I have no problems installing / running Debian,
CentOS, or Ubuntu on
On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 05:05:18PM -0200, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto wrote:
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 4:53 PM, André Ramaciotti da Silva
andre.ramacio...@gmail.com wrote:
I believe these aren't the 'other IPC mechanisms' they were talking about.
What about FIFOs and sockets?
In fact, DBus is
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:11 PM, André Ramaciotti da Silva
andre.ramacio...@gmail.com wrote:
I didn't know that. Thanks for clarification. :)
Actually, I'm mistaken about DBus using unix sockets. In fact, I'm not
sure if it's true. I'm searching about it right now.
--
A: Because it obfuscates
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
denisfalqu...@gmail.com wrote:
Actually, I'm mistaken about DBus using unix sockets. In fact, I'm not
sure if it's true. I'm searching about it right now.
Indeed, I was right [1]. The default transport channel are Unix domain
sockets, but
Le Thu, 3 Dec 2009 17:05:18 -0200,
Denis A. Altoé Falqueto denisfalqu...@gmail.com a écrit :
In fact, DBus is implemented over Unix sockets. FIFOs and sockets
don't define the format that will be used over them, they are just
channels of communication. DBus is a wire protocol, as they say in
On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 20:32:46 +
Pierre Chapuis catw...@archlinux.us wrote:
There is indeed a D-Bus protocol [1], and I don't see why anybody
would be against that, because a protocol is a written document and
not a piece of software: it doesn't enforce an implementation.
protocols can be
On 12/03/2009 01:19 PM, Nathan Wayde wrote:
On 03/12/09 18:14, Arvid Picciani wrote:
- most software depending on it, will crash when dbus
crashes, or fail to start uncracefully, or behave unexpected.
i've honestly never seen dbus crash
+1.
Ever.
DR
Mojn.
Strange issue here. Intended to use libtrash on my system. I added
export LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libtrash.so.3.2 to /etc/profile to set it
systemwide, LD_PRELOAD pointing to /usr/lib/libtrash.so.3.2 is needed in
order to get libtrash to work - and it did. Here's the bummer, though.
Doing
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Pierre Chapuis catw...@archlinux.us wrote:
I like D-Bus because it can actually simplify the applications that
rely on it and avoid reiventing the wheel. But I do agree that
applications that *don't* need to communicate with other applications
have no reason to
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Aaron Griffin aaronmgrif...@gmail.comwrote:
The only change you made is to disable the hal
stuff? The sole reason I still have an xorg.conf is so I can turn that
option (AutoAddDevices) off. X detects my machine just fine except for
that.
Since when does xorg
On 12/03/2009 12:29 PM, Aaron Griffin wrote:
Mechanisms have existed for like 20 years before dbus to communicate
with other programs. dbus is just another way to do it that has a
smell of architecture astronomy - as if they all scoffed at the
actual ways to do IPC on various Unicies and said
I never had dbus crashing anytime.. Regarding communication channels - there
are two types in dbus - one is system and other is userland.. So dbus
provided something for userland apps which could not use IPC for some
reason.
Another main reason as pointed above, it is general pub/sub system -
On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 11:29:51AM -0600, Aaron Griffin wrote:
Mechanisms have existed for like 20 years before dbus to communicate
with other programs. dbus is just another way to do it that has a
smell of architecture astronomy - as if they all scoffed at the
actual ways to do IPC on
Yeah, XML configuration sucks..(reason for me not using Openbox).
Regarding 'kit' family, it originated from Fedora.. In new Fedora 12, they
have added few more of those kits(like PackageKit)... :)...
One of the reasons these things got added by default maybe that majority of
Allan McRae wrote:
I personally think your mis-reading the Arch Way.
So another person who mistakes the use of simplicity for minimalism. I
thought we had been through that many, many times.
Can we, independently of the technical details of dbus, agree all,
that I and some other people
That mplayer with ascii was a joke :)...not a serious comment.
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Piyush P Kurur p...@cse.iitk.ac.in wrote:
On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 01:54:10AM +0530, Raghavendra Prabhu wrote:
One thing I don't understand here is - why people crib that package B
should
not
Thanks again DR. Next time, just send me back the following link:
http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/
haha...
I think we may soon see RTFM replacing DTFG(Do the F* Googling) or something
better
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Arvid Picciani a...@exys.org wrote:
Aaron Griffin wrote:
Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. –
Henry Spencer
And those who do understand it are doomed to implement it right,
that's why there is Plan 9. - Me.
:) (For those who
On Thu, 2009-12-03 at 23:23 +0100, Arvid Picciani wrote:
Allan McRae wrote:
I personally think your mis-reading the Arch Way.
So another person who mistakes the use of simplicity for minimalism. I
thought we had been through that many, many times.
Can we, independently of the
Le Thu, 3 Dec 2009 20:41:26 -0200,
Denis A. Altoé Falqueto denisfalqu...@gmail.com a écrit :
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Arvid Picciani a...@exys.org wrote:
Aaron Griffin wrote:
Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. –
Henry Spencer
And those who do
On Thu, 2009-12-03 at 22:55 +0100, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote:
On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 11:29:51AM -0600, Aaron Griffin wrote:
Mechanisms have existed for like 20 years before dbus to communicate
with other programs. dbus is just another way to do it that has a
smell of architecture
Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
I actually think the you've been over-focusing on a single part of the
'arch way', that its 'all about' minimalism.
then i suggest we remove the statement that it is all about minimalism.
Throughout this thread the vibe I've been getting for you is that you
somehow feel
On Fri, Dec 04, 2009 at 12:08:29AM +0100, Arvid Picciani wrote:
Please, can we stop beating it now, and just officialy tell
minimalists to fuck off so everyone can stop wasting their time?
Bad spelling and foul language.
I'd suggest to tell those who want a bloated system with
lots of useless
2009/12/3 Ng Oon-Ee ngoo...@gmail.com:
Arch is what you make it.
I think you nailed it. I always thought the Arch Way as a principle,
not a rule. We're not a religion, neither a nation. The few rules we
have are for the well of the community, so that it can go forward
without losing time with
f...@kokkinizita.net wrote:
On Fri, Dec 04, 2009 at 12:08:29AM +0100, Arvid Picciani wrote:
Please, can we stop beating it now, and just officialy tell
minimalists to fuck off so everyone can stop wasting their time?
Bad spelling and foul language.
Yeah once again i fail at not offending
Please, stop filling my inbox with useless junk.
Sébastien Leblanc wrote:
Please, stop filling my inbox with useless junk.
Please use the kill thread option of your MUA. Messages like this aren't
helping anyone, and are especcialy not helping to minimize the thread
length.
--
Arvid
Asgaard Technologies
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:28 PM, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote:
I'd suggest to tell those who want a bloated system with
lots of useless dependencies to move to Ubuntu or Fedora
so everybody can stop wasting his/her time.
I wouldn't go that far. That kind of attitude is what derails the
Heiko Baums wrote:
Show me a more minimalist distribution than Arch and Gentoo. I guess
you won't find one. And if you did I suggest you switching to this
distro.
This is the entire reason i want arch to officialy state that these
users are not welcome. I want to move on, so we can split up
Le Thu, 3 Dec 2009 21:58:25 +0100,
Xavier shinin...@gmail.com a écrit :
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Pierre Chapuis catw...@archlinux.us wrote:
I like D-Bus because it can actually simplify the applications that
rely on it and avoid reiventing the wheel. But I do agree that
2009/12/3 Arvid Picciani a...@exys.org:
Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
I actually think the you've been over-focusing on a single part of the
'arch way', that its 'all about' minimalism.
then i suggest we remove the statement that it is all about minimalism.
Throughout this thread the vibe I've been
Pierre Chapuis wrote:
Take gedit for example. It is a text editor, and:
[23:44 TA|catwell] ldd $(which gedit) | grep dbus
libdbus-glib-1.so.2 = /usr/lib/libdbus-glib-1.so.2
(0x7f5df48bb000)
libdbus-1.so.3 = /usr/lib/libdbus-1.so.3 (0x7f5df467c000)
AFAIK it
On Fri, 2009-12-04 at 00:49 +0100, Arvid Picciani wrote:
Heiko Baums wrote:
Show me a more minimalist distribution than Arch and Gentoo. I guess
you won't find one. And if you did I suggest you switching to this
distro.
This is the entire reason i want arch to officialy state that
On Fri, 2009-12-04 at 00:52 +0100, Arvid Picciani wrote:
Pierre Chapuis wrote:
Take gedit for example. It is a text editor, and:
[23:44 TA|catwell] ldd $(which gedit) | grep dbus
libdbus-glib-1.so.2 = /usr/lib/libdbus-glib-1.so.2
(0x7f5df48bb000)
Am Fri, 04 Dec 2009 00:49:14 +0100
schrieb Arvid Picciani a...@exys.org:
This is the entire reason i want arch to officialy state that these
users are not welcome. I want to move on, so we can split up the user
bases. Ultimately so both sides can continue their life without the
constant
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 7:55 PM, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote:
- It uses glib types instead of the plain C ones.
So it smells GNOME from the start. Why should
an app that has nothing to do with GNOME be
forced to use its headers ?
DBus as a protocol is language independent. It defines the
Le Fri, 4 Dec 2009 10:33:38 +1030,
Ty John ty...@eye-of-odin.com a écrit :
I don't really understand what this project does other than being able
to execute Plan 9 binaries.
What's the point then?
The point is to have a Plan 9 userspace on the Linux kernel (which is
maintained and
Heiko Baums wrote:
So why do you continue ranting about Arch?
I tried not to. All i wanted is a clear cut, but i think i'm alone with
that wish, so i'll stop beating it.
You're the ones who'll have to deal with this procedure over and over
again (not with me. no worries)
--
Arvid
Asgaard
On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 10:04:16PM -0200, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto wrote:
... (though I remember from Linux Audio Users list that you
don't like Qt too :))
It is completely irrelevant if I like it or not.
If dbus is intended for 'general use' it should
use C types, not those of whatever
On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 00:31:39 +
Pierre Chapuis catw...@archlinux.us wrote:
Le Fri, 4 Dec 2009 10:33:38 +1030,
Ty John ty...@eye-of-odin.com a écrit :
I don't really understand what this project does other than being
able to execute Plan 9 binaries.
What's the point then?
The point
On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 10:04:16PM -0200, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto wrote:
The *Kit family maybe could be replaced by a good set of ACLs, but
even that can be problematic, as not all the concepts that are
configured by PolicyKit or ConsoleKit are files. And the Unix security
model of
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 12:26 AM, Caleb Cushing xenoterrac...@gmail.com wrote:
where can I get find the configs for older kernels? specifically 2.6.29?
http://repos.archlinux.org/wsvn/packages/kernel26/repos/core-i686/
If you click in View Log you can see all changes of the file. That is
for the
Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
What does upstream have to say about this dependency? Does not seem
'necessary' to me
http://blogs.igalia.com/itoral/2006/03/30/adding-dbus-support-to-gedit/
priceless finding.
let me sum up:
- There is feature X which works very well
- He discovered it doesn't use dbus.
-
On 04/12/09 02:27, Arvid Picciani wrote:
[...]
Let me illustrate the problem here by construction an argument with a
similar flaw:
The mouse is inflexible and should be deprecated, as a stylus has the
advantage of being cordless. All modern pointing devices should be
cordless and i think these
2009/12/4 Arvid Picciani a...@exys.org:
http://blogs.igalia.com/itoral/2006/03/30/adding-dbus-support-to-gedit/
priceless finding.
let me sum up:
- There is feature X which works very well
- He discovered it doesn't use dbus.
- He starts work on a very complicated patch that makes it use
Denis A. Altoé Falqueto wrote:
2009/12/4 Arvid Picciani a...@exys.org:
http://blogs.igalia.com/itoral/2006/03/30/adding-dbus-support-to-gedit/
priceless finding.
let me sum up:
- There is feature X which works very well
- He discovered it doesn't use dbus.
- He starts work on a very
On 03/12/09 23:49, Arvid Picciani wrote:
Heiko Baums wrote:
Show me a more minimalist distribution than Arch and Gentoo. I guess
you won't find one. And if you did I suggest you switching to this
distro.
This is the entire reason i want arch to officialy state that these
users are not
On Fri, 2009-12-04 at 00:31 -0200, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto wrote:
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 12:26 AM, Caleb Cushing xenoterrac...@gmail.com
wrote:
where can I get find the configs for older kernels? specifically 2.6.29?
http://repos.archlinux.org/wsvn/packages/kernel26/repos/core-i686/
If
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 12:49 AM, Arvid Picciani a...@exys.org wrote:
Correct me if i'm wrong, but i read that as:
- THe argument is valid
- but irrelevant because the positive side is some feature no one needs.
You're clearly putting words in my mouth. I didn't said your argument
was
2009/12/4 Ng Oon-Ee ngoo...@gmail.com:
The config for a 64-bit kernel does have a few very important
differences right at the top, as I recall. Been a while since I looked
at the config files though.
Ops, thanks for the correction!
--
A: Because it obfuscates the reading.
Q: Why is top
Arvid Picciani wrote:
It's done. All i want is to settle this in a useful way.
Nathan Wayde wrote:
I originally identified you as a poisonous person and you just keep
confirming my theory.
a I found a problem
b I made aware of the problem
c I have provided patches
d I have provided
On Fri, 2009-12-04 at 04:36 +0100, Arvid Picciani wrote:
Arvid Picciani wrote:
It's done. All i want is to settle this in a useful way.
Nathan Wayde wrote:
I originally identified you as a poisonous person and you just keep
confirming my theory.
a I found a problem
b I made aware
For a thread with subject peaceful this has really gone downhill.
Anyway, I doubt anybody that matters in terms of making decisions
around here is still reading this. I only read the last couple of
emails out of some sort of morbid curiosity...
Allan
Arvid Picciani wrote:
Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi wrote:
Maybe is related to this (not sure, I didn't a deep research)
http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-4958
Under qt-4.5.3:
$ ./qt
point size: 10 - 12.75
point size: 12 - 15
But under qt-4.6.0:
$ ./qt
point size: 10 -
On Fri, 2009-12-04 at 14:00 +1000, Allan McRae wrote:
For a thread with subject peaceful this has really gone downhill.
Anyway, I doubt anybody that matters in terms of making decisions
around here is still reading this. I only read the last couple of
emails out of some sort of morbid
Let me illustrate the problem here by construction an argument with a
similar flaw:
The mouse is inflexible and should be deprecated, as a stylus has the
advantage of being cordless. All modern pointing devices should be
cordless and i think these mouse users are just from the 60s.
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 2:40 AM, Brendan Long kori...@gmail.com wrote:
Let me illustrate the problem here by construction an argument with a
similar flaw:
The mouse is inflexible and should be deprecated, as a stylus has the
advantage of being cordless. All modern pointing devices should be
So a while ago I wanted to get a working phc package for Arch and I
eventually got it working, but right now it relies on you installing php
with the configuration set with ./configure --enable-embed --prefix=/opt
[other options] because I don't want to mess up the default php install,
and I can't
Guys,
No doubt most of you already know, but I just figured it out. If you use (or
want to try) 'mc' (midnight commander), then try it with the configuration
option 'Lynx-like motion' enabled. It makes mc a dream to use. No more
scrolling back to the top of a directory tree to go up the
On Friday 04 December 2009 08:08:03 Arvid Picciani wrote:
Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
What does upstream have to say about this dependency? Does not seem
'necessary' to me
http://blogs.igalia.com/itoral/2006/03/30/adding-dbus-support-to-gedit/
priceless finding.
let me sum up:
- There is
On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 00:08:29 +0100, Arvid Picciani a...@exys.org wrote:
Please, can we stop beating it now, and just officialy tell minimalists
to fuck off so everyone can stop wasting their time?
I've been following this thread off an on. Great to see you having an
opinion and standing up
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