[arch-general] Polishing systemd

2012-10-16 Thread Martín Cigorraga
Hi all, I've been playing with systemd for a few hours now and I must say I'm impressed, it's a very powerful tool. I want to thanks the devs for making the transition to it really smooth :) Now, as I'm still learning my way through it -that means I'm reading a lot!- I find that there are in my

Re: [arch-general] Polishing systemd

2012-10-16 Thread Thomas Bächler
Am 16.10.2012 09:25, schrieb Martín Cigorraga: 1. Units with errors shown in systemctl --all: arch-modules-load.serviceerror inactive dead arch-modules auditd.service error inactive dead auditd.servi

Re: [arch-general] Final step before changing to systemd

2012-10-16 Thread Thomas Bächler
Am 16.10.2012 03:56, schrieb Martín Cigorraga: On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:50 PM, Gaetan Bisson bis...@archlinux.orgwrote: [2012-10-15 22:25:58 -0300] Martín Cigorraga: Basically I need to know how to handle these daemons: hwclock Ditch it. Use NTP instead: I think systemd does hwclock

Re: [arch-general] Final step before changing to systemd

2012-10-16 Thread Martín Cigorraga
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 6:10 AM, Thomas Bächler tho...@archlinux.orgwrote: Am 16.10.2012 03:56, schrieb Martín Cigorraga: On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:50 PM, Gaetan Bisson bis...@archlinux.org wrote: [2012-10-15 22:25:58 -0300] Martín Cigorraga: Basically I need to know how to handle

Re: [arch-general] Final step before changing to systemd

2012-10-16 Thread Dave Reisner
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 11:10:21AM +0200, Thomas Bächler wrote: Am 16.10.2012 03:56, schrieb Martín Cigorraga: On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:50 PM, Gaetan Bisson bis...@archlinux.orgwrote: [2012-10-15 22:25:58 -0300] Martín Cigorraga: Basically I need to know how to handle these daemons:

Re: [arch-general] Polishing systemd

2012-10-16 Thread Joshua Collins
On 10/16/12, Martín Cigorraga m...@archlinux.us wrote: 4. Is there any place for e4rat(lite)? Since I activated systemd's built-in ureadahead feature, will e4rat still add any improve- ment? What do you say? I would suggest that you benchmark this for yourself. I found pretty good results

[arch-general] You have mail message at login

2012-10-16 Thread gt
Whenever I log in to a TTY, I get this message. I read my system mails through mutt, so i don't need this. I have unset MAILCHECK in .bashrc, but no effect. I set MAIL_CHECK_ENAB to no in login.defs, but still no effect. Lastly i tried creating a .hushlogin file in the user's home, but even

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] iproute2 to base

2012-10-16 Thread Joakim Hernberg
On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 10:51:34 +0200 Thomas Bächler tho...@archlinux.org wrote: I am fine with add wpa_supplicant, iw and crda to base if we really want wireless support installed by default. Not that I install many systems, once installed... But I for one would appreciate having wireless

[arch-general] system locale messages readable only on tty1 !

2012-10-16 Thread jambov
Here is what I uncommented in /etc/locale.gen: bg_BG CP1251 /etc/vconsole.conf: KEYMAP=bg-cp1251 FONT=Cyr_a8x16 FONT_MAP=cp1251 /etc/locale.conf: LANG=bg_BG.CP1251 LC_COLLATE=C LC_TIME=bg_BG.CP1251 I ran locale-gen and locale -a as root. And after these steps I have readable cyrillic

Re: [arch-general] system locale messages readable only on tty1 !

2012-10-16 Thread jambov
I found some kind of ugly workaround, by putting setfont Cyr_a8x16 -m cp1251 in ~/.bashrc ; however the question why systemd-vconsole-setup does not affect the rest of the ttys at startup still remains... -- View this message in context:

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] iproute2 to base

2012-10-16 Thread Thomas Bächler
Am 16.10.2012 14:05, schrieb Joakim Hernberg: On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 10:51:34 +0200 Thomas Bächler tho...@archlinux.org wrote: I am fine with add wpa_supplicant, iw and crda to base if we really want wireless support installed by default. Not that I install many systems, once installed...

Re: [arch-general] You have mail message at login

2012-10-16 Thread Krzysztof Warzecha
2012/10/16 gt static.vor...@gmx.com: Any idea what's causing it to show up? Well, you could always try brute force method. Login and run this as root: strace -vft -p $TARGET_GETTY_PID -o /tmp/strace-getty Now login in straced terminal, logout and grep for New mail in /tmp/strace-getty. You

Re: [arch-general] You have mail message at login

2012-10-16 Thread Sébastien Leblanc
On 16 October 2012 01:42, gt static.vor...@gmx.com wrote: Whenever I log in to a TTY, I get this message. I read my system mails through mutt, so i don't need this. Pam is taking care of showing whether you have mail or not. In /etc/pam.d/system-login, comment this line: session

[arch-general] kernel oops on resume: 3.6.2-1+systemd+kde

2012-10-16 Thread Genes MailLists
I have started getting kernel oops yesterday. This started after fully updated testing repo and switch to systemd over last weekend. I'm running kde. Bug is filed as shown below with screenshot which I managed to capture of the OOPS from today's crash. Laptop is sandy bridge i7

[arch-general] Porque systemd? :-)

2012-10-16 Thread David Rosenstrauch
I haven't been diligently following the mailing list, so perhaps I missed this. But given the recent systemd is now the default on new installations announcement, I'm wondering: what's the reasons for Arch making systemd the default going forward? The systemd wiki page gives a lot of

Re: [arch-general] Porque systemd? :-)

2012-10-16 Thread Gaetan Bisson
[2012-10-16 11:16:04 -0400] David Rosenstrauch: I haven't been diligently following the mailing list, so perhaps I missed this. But given the recent systemd is now the default on new installations announcement, I'm wondering: what's the reasons for Arch making systemd the default going

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] iproute2 to base

2012-10-16 Thread Leonid Isaev
On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 15:22:05 +0200 Thomas Bächler tho...@archlinux.org wrote: Am 16.10.2012 14:05, schrieb Joakim Hernberg: On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 10:51:34 +0200 Thomas Bächler tho...@archlinux.org wrote: I am fine with add wpa_supplicant, iw and crda to base if we really want wireless

Re: [arch-general] You have mail message at login

2012-10-16 Thread gt
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 10:33:53AM -0400, Sébastien Leblanc wrote: On 16 October 2012 01:42, gt static.vor...@gmx.com wrote: Whenever I log in to a TTY, I get this message. I read my system mails through mutt, so i don't need this. Pam is taking care of showing whether you have mail or

Re: [arch-general] You have mail message at login

2012-10-16 Thread gt
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 04:24:37PM +0200, Krzysztof Warzecha wrote: 2012/10/16 gt static.vor...@gmx.com: Any idea what's causing it to show up? Well, you could always try brute force method. Login and run this as root: strace -vft -p $TARGET_GETTY_PID -o /tmp/strace-getty Now login in

Re: [arch-general] Porque systemd? :-)

2012-10-16 Thread David Rosenstrauch
On 10/16/2012 11:40 AM, Gaetan Bisson wrote: [2012-10-16 11:16:04 -0400] David Rosenstrauch: I haven't been diligently following the mailing list, so perhaps I missed this. But given the recent systemd is now the default on new installations announcement, I'm wondering: what's the reasons for

Re: [arch-general] kernel oops on resume: 3.6.2-1+systemd+kde

2012-10-16 Thread Genes MailLists
On 10/16/2012 10:36 AM, Genes MailLists wrote: ... https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/32014 Attachments worked this time ... sorry for noise on that. gene/

Re: [arch-general] You have mail message at login

2012-10-16 Thread mike cloaked
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Sébastien Leblanc leblancse...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 October 2012 01:42, gt static.vor...@gmx.com wrote: Whenever I log in to a TTY, I get this message. I read my system mails through mutt, so i don't need this. Pam is taking care of showing whether you have

Re: [arch-general] Polishing systemd

2012-10-16 Thread Martín Cigorraga
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Joshua Collins jeos...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/16/12, Martín Cigorraga m...@archlinux.us wrote: 4. Is there any place for e4rat(lite)? Since I activated systemd's built-in ureadahead feature, will e4rat still add any improve- ment? What do you say? I

Re: [arch-general] Polishing systemd

2012-10-16 Thread Thomas Bächler
Am 16.10.2012 20:15, schrieb Martín Cigorraga: Interesting, but I don't know. This may be a polkit setting. If you find out, I'd be interested. I was sugested in the #systemd channel that this may be associated with dbus: 06:31:17 Mithrandir | sounds like the dbus config isn't restrictive

Re: [arch-general] Porque systemd? :-)

2012-10-16 Thread Thomas Bächler
Am 16.10.2012 17:40, schrieb Gaetan Bisson: [2012-10-16 11:16:04 -0400] David Rosenstrauch: I haven't been diligently following the mailing list, so perhaps I missed this. But given the recent systemd is now the default on new installations announcement, I'm wondering: what's the reasons

Re: [arch-general] Porque systemd? :-)

2012-10-16 Thread David Rosenstrauch
On 10/16/2012 05:28 PM, Thomas Bächler wrote: Am 16.10.2012 17:40, schrieb Gaetan Bisson: [2012-10-16 11:16:04 -0400] David Rosenstrauch: I haven't been diligently following the mailing list, so perhaps I missed this. But given the recent systemd is now the default on new installations

Re: [arch-general] Polishing systemd

2012-10-16 Thread Leonid Isaev
On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 23:08:33 +0200 Thomas Bächler tho...@archlinux.org wrote: Am 16.10.2012 20:15, schrieb Martín Cigorraga: Interesting, but I don't know. This may be a polkit setting. If you find out, I'd be interested. I was sugested in the #systemd channel that this may be

Re: [arch-general] system locale messages readable only on tty1 !

2012-10-16 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 2:58 PM, jambov jamb...@yahoo.com wrote: I found some kind of ugly workaround, by putting setfont Cyr_a8x16 -m cp1251 in ~/.bashrc ; however the question why systemd-vconsole-setup does not affect the rest of the ttys at startup still remains... Probably what happens

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] iproute2 to base

2012-10-16 Thread Gaetan Bisson
[2012-10-16 10:41:09 -0500] Leonid Isaev: I fully support having netcfg in base (and as a default network backend in arch) because it is far better than the alternatives :) I don't think that wpa_supplicant/crda belongs in base (for instance routers don't need wpa_supplicant but may require

Re: [arch-general] You have mail message at login

2012-10-16 Thread Marek Otahal
On Tuesday 16 of October 2012 10:33:53 Sébastien Leblanc wrote: On 16 October 2012 01:42, gt static.vor...@gmx.com wrote: Whenever I log in to a TTY, I get this message. I read my system mails through mutt, so i don't need this. Pam is taking care of showing whether you have mail or not.

Re: [arch-general] You have mail message at login

2012-10-16 Thread Marek Otahal
On Wednesday 17 of October 2012 01:12:28 you wrote: On Tuesday 16 of October 2012 10:33:53 Sébastien Leblanc wrote: On 16 October 2012 01:42, gt static.vor...@gmx.com wrote: Whenever I log in to a TTY, I get this message. I read my system mails through mutt, so i don't need this. Pam