[arch-general] Re: Systemd : Analysis of reactions of Users

2012-07-27 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
The 27/07/12, Mike wrote: Instead of fixing such problems we need something new that's broken too? You have to know that fixing was tried more than once with various approaches along time. Parallelism is one of the best-known of these failed attempts. Smart logs, correct error reporting are

Re: [arch-general] Systemd : Analysis of reactions of Users

2012-07-27 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Jul 27, 2012 6:21 AM, Martin Cigorraga m...@archlinux.us wrote: May be this is a silly question but: will there be a general announcement when systemd became officially adopted? That would be announced, yes. As T. G. said in the Dev list: If a move should happen, I suggest waiting a bit

Re: [arch-general] How do you extract version from pacman?

2012-07-27 Thread Christian Hesse
Oon-Ee Ng ngoonee.t...@gmail.com on Fri, 2012/07/27 11:33: Thanks to Morris and Christian (karol too, but rather not have an additional package). Can't seem to find a reference to this specific behaviour on the pacman manpage, unfortunately, but it'll simplify my script. Looks like there's

[arch-general] Problems with mouse and keyboard on X

2012-07-27 Thread Sebastian Beßler
Hello, I am new to archlinux, coming from gentoo, and have successful installed the system so far. Now I have the problem that when I start X by using startx or startxfce4 (I have only tried this two) I have no keyboard or mouse. I can solve the problem by disconnecting and reconnecting

Re: [arch-general] Systemd : Analysis of reactions of Users

2012-07-27 Thread Mike
On 27/07/12 09:18, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: The 27/07/12, Mike wrote: Instead of fixing such problems we need something new that's broken too? You have to know that fixing was tried more than once with various approaches along time. Parallelism is one of the best-known of these failed

[arch-general] Re: My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-27 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
The 23/07/12, Kevin Chadwick wrote: Ignoring systemctl output which is still less clear and slowed me down. I don't agree. Show what daemons will be running if you were to boot a filesystem which isn't running and tell me it's as quick to work out on a systemd system.

[arch-general] Re: Systemd : Analysis of reactions of Users

2012-07-27 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
The 27/07/12, Mike wrote: I'm aware of that, but that doesn't mean one can't fix them. Nobody said, that the code base of sysvinit shouldn't be modified. It would have been fixed for a long time if it were easy enough. :-) -- Nicolas Sebrecht

Re: [arch-general] Systemd : Analysis of reactions of Users

2012-07-27 Thread Kevin Chadwick
May be this is a silly question but: will there be a general announcement when systemd became officially adopted? That would be announced, yes. As you have said the timescale for initscripts being replaced by systemd comes down to the challenges of maintenance and I guess this is a

Re: [arch-general] Systemd : Analysis of reactions of Users

2012-07-27 Thread Jameson
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Myra Nelson myra.nel...@hughes.net wrote: quickly adapt to these types of changes. Many don't seem to grasp the concept that both systems are still supported. In my case because of my bull head and set ways, I still use the /etc/rc.d/network script for starting

Re: [arch-general] Systemd : Analysis of reactions of Users

2012-07-27 Thread Mike
On 27/07/12 13:57, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: The 27/07/12, Mike wrote: I'm aware of that, but that doesn't mean one can't fix them. Nobody said, that the code base of sysvinit shouldn't be modified. It would have been fixed for a long time if it were easy enough. :-) Uhm there are init systems

Re: [arch-general] Systemd : Analysis of reactions of Users

2012-07-27 Thread Stephen E. Baker
On 27/07/2012 9:29 AM, Mike wrote: On 27/07/12 13:57, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: The 27/07/12, Mike wrote: I'm aware of that, but that doesn't mean one can't fix them. Nobody said, that the code base of sysvinit shouldn't be modified. It would have been fixed for a long time if it were easy

Re: [arch-general] Systemd : Analysis of reactions of Users

2012-07-27 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Jul 27, 2012 3:16 PM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: May be this is a silly question but: will there be a general announcement when systemd became officially adopted? That would be announced, yes. As you have said the timescale for initscripts being replaced by

Re: [arch-general] Systemd : Analysis of reactions of Users

2012-07-27 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Jul 27, 2012 3:25 PM, Jameson imntr...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Myra Nelson myra.nel...@hughes.net wrote: quickly adapt to these types of changes. Many don't seem to grasp the concept that both systems are still supported. In my case because of my bull head and

Re: [arch-general] Systemd : Analysis of reactions of Users

2012-07-27 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Jul 27, 2012 3:57 PM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: On Jul 27, 2012 3:25 PM, Jameson imntr...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Myra Nelson myra.nel...@hughes.net wrote: quickly adapt to these types of changes. Many don't seem to grasp the concept that both

Re: [arch-general] Systemd : Analysis of reactions of Users

2012-07-27 Thread Mike
On 27/07/12 15:45, Stephen E. Baker wrote: On 27/07/2012 9:29 AM, Mike wrote: On 27/07/12 13:57, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: The 27/07/12, Mike wrote: I'm aware of that, but that doesn't mean one can't fix them. Nobody said, that the code base of sysvinit shouldn't be modified. It would have

Re: [arch-general] fish 2.0.0b2 in [community-testing]

2012-07-27 Thread SanskritFritz
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 8:20 AM, Bartłomiej Piotrowski b...@bpiotrowski.pl wrote: As you probably know, fish release available in [community] is very old. Code hasn't been updated since 2009. Official website doesn't work currently, but there was the info that development is stalled. Alex

[arch-general] BIND 9 problem

2012-07-27 Thread Δημήτρης Ζέρβας
hello, I'm trying to set up my own DNS server but I can't... I registered ns1.mydomain.com as a nameserver and I ponted it to my VPS's IP. the I listed ns1.mydomain.com as the nameserver of mydomain.com. I don't know if I've done something wrong with my registrar or my zones/configs are wrong...

Re: [arch-general] BIND 9 problem

2012-07-27 Thread Mantas Mikulėnas
On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Δημήτρης Ζέρβας 01tto...@gmail.com wrote: I'm trying to set up my own DNS server but I can't... I registered ns1.mydomain.com as a nameserver and I ponted it to my VPS's IP. the I listed ns1.mydomain.com as the nameserver of mydomain.com. I don't know if I've

Re: [arch-general] BIND 9 problem

2012-07-27 Thread Δημήτρης Ζέρβας
thanks a million man... yes, you're right, domains are public :P didn't know about named-check*! -- (\_ /) copy the bunny to your profile (0.o ) to help him achieve world domination. ( ) come join the dark side. /_|_\ (we have cookies.) On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 7:17 PM, Mantas Mikulėnas

Re: [arch-general] BIND 9 problem

2012-07-27 Thread Δημήτρης Ζέρβας
is the IP 0.0.0.0 ok? or do I have to change it to the actual public IP (it's static, so it won't be a problem) -- (\_ /) copy the bunny to your profile (0.o ) to help him achieve world domination. ( ) come join the dark side. /_|_\ (we have cookies.) On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 9:29 PM, Δημήτρης

Re: [arch-general] BIND 9 problem

2012-07-27 Thread Mantas Mikulėnas
On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 9:35 PM, Δημήτρης Ζέρβας 01tto...@gmail.com wrote: is the IP 0.0.0.0 ok? or do I have to change it to the actual public IP Why would you want to have 0.0.0.0 in DNS anyway? If you don't want to have a www or imap or other subdomains, just delete them completely... (But

[arch-general] [signoff] btrfs-progs

2012-07-27 Thread Tom Gundersen
Hi guys, Seems not many of us yet use btrfs, I therefore would like to ask if any users can signoff on the btrfs-progs in testing (i.e. verify that the package appears to work). In particular, I'm interested to hear if someone who uses btrfs-progs and initscripts from testing could verify that

Re: [arch-general] BIND 9 problem

2012-07-27 Thread Δημήτρης Ζέρβας
I thought that it would be translated to my public ip... :P A dig proved that I was wrong, I fixed it, but now I have to wait 2 hours (TTL 7200) to update the zone? -- (\_ /) copy the bunny to your profile (0.o ) to help him achieve world domination. ( ) come join the dark side. /_|_\ (we have

Re: [arch-general] [signoff] btrfs-progs

2012-07-27 Thread Leonidas Spyropoulos
On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 8:04 PM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: Hi guys, Seems not many of us yet use btrfs, I therefore would like to ask if any users can signoff on the btrfs-progs in testing (i.e. verify that the package appears to work). I use btrfs for 3 years now the last 2 is my

Re: [arch-general] BIND 9 problem

2012-07-27 Thread Damjan
all my confs/zones: http://pastebin.com/z23HRyAh the ONLY thing altered in the confs is the domain 1. You are missing a $ORIGIN line at the top of your zone file: $ORIGIN dimitrisze.com. (Don't forget the dot after com!) That $ORIGIN is implied by bind from the zone

Re: [arch-general] [signoff] btrfs-progs

2012-07-27 Thread Jameson
On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Leonidas Spyropoulos artafi...@gmail.com wrote: Unfortunately none of my computers have multi-device btrfs now, used to have one for testing a couple of years ago I have a multi-device volume, but I'm running systemd. I can validate that btrfs-progs in testing

Re: [arch-general] [signoff] btrfs-progs

2012-07-27 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Jameson imntr...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Leonidas Spyropoulos artafi...@gmail.com wrote: Unfortunately none of my computers have multi-device btrfs now, used to have one for testing a couple of years ago I have a multi-device volume,

Re: [arch-general] [signoff] btrfs-progs

2012-07-27 Thread Matthew Monaco
On 07/27/2012 01:04 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote: Hi guys, Seems not many of us yet use btrfs, I therefore would like to ask if any users can signoff on the btrfs-progs in testing (i.e. verify that the package appears to work). In particular, I'm interested to hear if someone who uses

Re: [arch-general] [signoff] btrfs-progs

2012-07-27 Thread Aurko Roy
Hi, I installed btrfs-progs from testing and regenerated the image using mkinitcpio. It works fine and my btrfs volume is still being mounted correctly. I use systemd though and don't have any multi device btrfs volume either. On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 1:22 AM, Matthew Monaco dgbale...@0x01b.net

Re: [arch-general] [signoff] btrfs-progs

2012-07-27 Thread Jameson
On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Jameson imntr...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Leonidas Spyropoulos artafi...@gmail.com wrote: Unfortunately none of my computers have multi-device btrfs now, used to have

Re: [arch-general] [signoff] btrfs-progs

2012-07-27 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 10:00 PM, Jameson imntr...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Jameson imntr...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Leonidas Spyropoulos artafi...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [arch-general] [signoff] btrfs-progs

2012-07-27 Thread Leonidas Spyropoulos
On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 10:00 PM, Jameson imntr...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Jameson imntr...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at

Re: [arch-general] BIND 9 problem

2012-07-27 Thread Δημήτρης Ζέρβας
tracepath dimitrisze.com: 1: 192.168.1.300.038ms pmtu 1500 1: 192.168.1.1 0.529ms asymm 2 1: 192.168.1.1 0.517ms asymm 2 2: no reply 3: no reply ping dimitrisze.com:

[arch-general] Testing question

2012-07-27 Thread Leonidas Spyropoulos
Hey list, Is there a way to enable the testing repo and install updates (with pacman -Suyy) from the other repositories and only install updates from testing if I explicitly mention it with some pacman command? Thanks -- Caution: breathing may be hazardous to your health. #include stdio.h int

Re: [arch-general] Testing question

2012-07-27 Thread Jesse Jaara
You should never cherry pick updatates. It is all or nothing. Altought you can use syntax -S repo/pkgname. But if you are going to do that remember that I will be slaughtered for sharing this information, if you go complaining about how that broke your system. As long as you dont install system

Re: [arch-general] Testing question

2012-07-27 Thread Florian Pritz
On 27.07.2012 22:11, Leonidas Spyropoulos wrote: Is there a way to enable the testing repo and install updates (with pacman -Suyy) from the other repositories and only install updates from testing if I explicitly mention it with some pacman command? Move [testing] below [extra] and [core] in

Re: [arch-general] systemd network configuration

2012-07-27 Thread David Benfell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/26/2012 09:19 AM, C Anthony Risinger wrote: (that it worked for him. Does anyone know how to fix Thunderbird's quoting so that it actually quotes?) Okay, so this will be a real shocker. I was wrong. It works for me as well. Unsurprisingly, I

Re: [arch-general] Testing question

2012-07-27 Thread Leonidas Spyropoulos
On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 9:20 PM, Florian Pritz bluew...@xinu.at wrote: On 27.07.2012 22:11, Leonidas Spyropoulos wrote: Is there a way to enable the testing repo and install updates (with pacman -Suyy) from the other repositories and only install updates from testing if I explicitly mention it

[arch-general] In the systemd scheme, where should startup/stop scripts for things systemd can't handle go?

2012-07-27 Thread David Benfell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, So now that I've got a network through systemd, I ran into trouble with some daemon service files that I crafted by hand. None of the following directives will work (culled from different files): ExecStartPre=cd /etc/solr

Re: [arch-general] In the systemd scheme, where should startup/stop scripts for things systemd can't handle go?

2012-07-27 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 10:52 PM, David Benfell benf...@parts-unknown.org wrote: So now that I've got a network through systemd, I ran into trouble with some daemon service files that I crafted by hand. None of the following directives will work (culled from different files): ExecStartPre=cd

Re: [arch-general] In the systemd scheme, where should startup/stop scripts for things systemd can't handle go?

2012-07-27 Thread Damjan
So now that I've got a network through systemd, I ran into trouble with some daemon service files that I crafted by hand. None of the following directives will work (culled from different files): ExecStartPre=cd /etc/solr Use: WorkingDirectory= ExecStart=$JAVA_HOME/bin/java -jar $JAVA_OPTS

Re: [arch-general] In the systemd scheme, where should startup/stop scripts for things systemd can't handle go?

2012-07-27 Thread C Anthony Risinger
On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 4:04 PM, David Benfell benf...@parts-unknown.org wrote: On 07/27/2012 02:01 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote: Not really, as far as I know. However, it seems that it is common to put helper scripts that are shipped with systemd in /usr/lib/systemd/ and those shipped with udev

Re: [arch-general] In the systemd scheme, where should startup/stop scripts for things systemd can't handle go?

2012-07-27 Thread Mantas Mikulėnas
On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 12:39 AM, C Anthony Risinger anth...@xtfx.me wrote: also note that you likely want to simply run the service differently that you had previously. for example, i modify several .service files -- even ones that are shipped upstream -- because they are pointlessly

Re: [arch-general] In the systemd scheme, where should startup/stop scripts for things systemd can't handle go?

2012-07-27 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 11:39 PM, C Anthony Risinger anth...@xtfx.me wrote: for example, i modify several .service files -- even ones that are shipped upstream -- because they are pointlessly configured as `forking` when they could be much better integrated (ddclient, dhcpd, hostapd, SEVERAL

Re: [arch-general] In the systemd scheme, where should startup/stop scripts for things systemd can't handle go?

2012-07-27 Thread David Benfell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, On 07/27/2012 02:24 PM, Damjan wrote: So now that I've got a network through systemd, I ran into trouble with some daemon service files that I crafted by hand. None of the following directives will work (culled from different files):

Re: [arch-general] Joining mp3's -- Floating point exceptionffmpeg

2012-07-27 Thread Mantas Mikulėnas
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Nelson Marambio nelsonmaram...@gmx.de wrote: Well, the cat-concept was the one I tried before - it may work fine for mp3s with CBR, but with VBR it fails because you get an inaccurate track length. There are several tools to recalculate the VBR header;

Re: [arch-general] In the systemd scheme, where should startup/stop scripts for things systemd can't handle go?

2012-07-27 Thread C Anthony Risinger
On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 4:53 PM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 11:39 PM, C Anthony Risinger anth...@xtfx.me wrote: for example, i modify several .service files -- even ones that are shipped upstream -- because they are pointlessly configured as `forking` when they

[arch-general] System hangs at Booting the kernel upon drive addition

2012-07-27 Thread pants
Hello, I have a system which is hanging during boot at the line Booting the kernel when I have a drive connected to either port of the PCI-Express SATA card I recently installed (chipset ASM1061). When a drive is not connected to the card, the system boots normally, and connecting the drive to

Re: [arch-general] In the systemd scheme, where should startup/stop scripts for things systemd can't handle go?

2012-07-27 Thread David Benfell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/27/2012 02:24 PM, Damjan wrote: I don't know what's that kill dictd but if it's a subprocess started from your java program, systemd can handle it too. It puts every service in its own CGroup so it know all the processes started from that

Re: [arch-general] In the systemd scheme, where should startup/stop scripts for things systemd can't handle go?

2012-07-27 Thread David Benfell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/27/2012 02:53 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote: Please file bugs if you think there are errors. Sometimes Type=forking is the right thing to do. If the daemon is not socket/dbus actiavted, then Type=forking is the only way to know if a service