[arch-general] PulseAudio in [extra]

2010-08-17 Thread Tom Gundersen
Hi Jan, I saw your plan, http://gist.github.com/444917, regarding moving pulseaudio to the extra repository, and I was curious if it is still going forward? I'm using PA with KDE myself, and would be happy to help with anything in order to move the packages to extra. I noticed two things about

Re: [arch-general] PulseAudio in [extra]

2010-08-17 Thread Tom Gundersen
2010/8/17 Ng Oon-Ee ngoo...@gmail.com: Upstream has not released in a while, but from what I hear on their ML that should happen once the main dev gets back from another project. That's correct. Also, PA is still actively developed (even in the absence of Lennart) and bug fixes are available

Re: [arch-general] [Packages] [dbus-core] DeveloperWiki:CoreSignoffs wiki needs update

2010-09-07 Thread Tom Gundersen
dbus 1.4.0 has been released (http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dbus/2010-September/013378.html), so the problem should be solved when that is moved to core (so no need for using the development version). -t

Re: [arch-general] change in mount behaviour?

2012-01-28 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 12:56 AM, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote: On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 12:50:09AM +0100, Tom Gundersen wrote: On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 12:35 AM, G. Schlisio g.schli...@gmx.de wrote: Am 28.01.2012 00:26, schrieb G. Schlisio: Hi all, i used to keep a folder

Re: [arch-general] change in mount behaviour?

2012-01-28 Thread Tom Gundersen
Heiko, Maybe I (or others) were unclear in our explanations, but at least you should have had a look at the software you are claiming to be buggy (you would quickly see that there is no problem). On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 3:39 AM, Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de wrote: for as long as i remember

Re: [arch-general] change in mount behaviour?

2012-01-28 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de wrote: Again, PulseAudio which Lennart Poettering likes to have as a standard completely doesn't work with (semi-)professional audio cards with an ice1712 chip. Yes, I had a look at PulseAudio. Have you tried after this fix was

Re: [arch-general] change in mount behaviour?

2012-01-28 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 6:05 PM, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote: If you use such cards you probably have Jack running, and if you really want PA you can configure it as a Jack client. For what it's worth, PA and Jack have a protocol to peacefully coexist. So, if you use Jack, even if

Re: [arch-general] change in mount behaviour?

2012-01-28 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de wrote: My impression recently was that there are a lot of people doing and inventing a lot of things on their own which has almost nothing to do with any Linux standards, particularly again Lennart Poettering, and that some

Re: [arch-general] change in mount behaviour?

2012-01-28 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 7:59 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Sat, 2012-01-28 at 18:30 +0100, Tom Gundersen wrote: For what it's worth, PA and Jack have a protocol to peacefully coexist. So, if you use Jack, even if  PA is installed and running, PA will move out of the way

Re: [arch-general] /usr on a seperate drive

2012-01-29 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 12:53 AM, Peter G Nikolic p.nikol...@btinternet.com wrote: Right now i have given up on the seperate /usr  , can i safely move /usr/share to another drive and symlink it to /usr/share   . I have it up and working again but the disk is showing 100% full  /usr/share

Re: [arch-general] change in mount behaviour?

2012-01-29 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: I'm sure all Linux installs MUST be ready to use out of the box for professional audio users. after all, the same is true for the other operating systems. I just ask that upgrades don't break a working

Re: [arch-general] change in mount behaviour?

2012-01-29 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 4:03 PM, Norbert Zeh n...@cs.dal.ca wrote: Things I observed (on Ubuntu, Mint, openSUSE, Arch...so it's not distro-specific) were way too low input (mic) and output volumes even when setting the volume controls to 100%.  I really wanted to use PA because it offers

Re: [arch-general] change in mount behaviour?

2012-01-29 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 11:04 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: Since the sound device is ok when using ALSA only, the +4dBu vs -10dBV information or any ratio dB to fader position or what ever you mean, must be somewhere provided correctly by ALSA. If such a dB issue should

Re: [arch-general] change in mount behaviour?

2012-01-29 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 11:50 PM, Norbert Zeh n...@cs.dal.ca wrote: Thanks, Tom.  Now that I know where to look next, I'll play with this next time I have some spare time for this kind of stuff. I recommend going to #systemd on freenode if you have data/questions, they are very friendly and

Re: [arch-general] Merge /bin to /usr/bin?

2012-01-30 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 7:23 PM, Stephen E. Baker baker.stephe...@gmail.com wrote: There are several good reasons for the change, outlined at: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/TheCaseForTheUsrMerge  I wondered if this was something Arch was considering as well. It is being

Re: [arch-general] Merge /bin to /usr/bin?

2012-01-31 Thread Tom Gundersen
Hi Kevin, On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Should /bin and /sbin contain all the statically built execs to increase the reliability of single user mode. Nah, we don't really build static binaries, and /usr must be available even in single user mode.

Re: [arch-general] Merge /bin to /usr/bin?

2012-01-31 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 13:50:27 +0100 Tom Gundersen wrote: udev should never, ever mount stuff itself. This is dangerous and explicitly not supported. Consider using systemd, udisks or another daemon for this purpose

Re: [arch-general] Merge /bin to /usr/bin?

2012-01-31 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 7:17 PM, Leonid Isaev lis...@umail.iu.edu wrote: Or a bind-mount from /var/media or such... I wonder though shouldn't it be implemented in initscripts similar to /tmp? Because currently enabling read-only / will require adding a /media stanza to fstab. It would be a

Re: [arch-general] Waiting for UDev uevents to be processed [BUSY]

2012-02-15 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 1:45 AM, Rob Lewis rrl...@gmail.com wrote: I am running into an issue I have never really run into in the past with my current laptop. Upon installing arch linux I reboot and face the following issue which hangs forever during the bot process: Waiting for UDev uevents

Re: [arch-general] avahi wiki addition of airprint services - please review

2012-02-16 Thread Tom Gundersen
Hi David, On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:22 PM, David C. Rankin drankina...@suddenlinkmail.com wrote:  I updated the avahi wiki to include a useful snippet about enabling print capabilities from mobile devices. Please review and revise if there are any tweaks needed. Thanks.

Re: [arch-general] Start a daemon, show a syntax error

2012-02-17 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 3:03 PM, SanskritFritz sanskritfr...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Lukas Fleischer archli...@cryptocrack.de wrote: a) You're not using bash (e.g. running rc.d(8) in sh(1)/$whatever). b) You built bash manually and disabled process substitution

Re: [arch-general] An empty /etc/crontab file maybe needed bo be add in to package filesystem.

2012-02-18 Thread Tom Gundersen
2012/2/18 郑文辉(Techlive Zheng) techlivezh...@gmail.com: 2012/2/18 Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de: Such an empty /etc/crontab would belong into the package cronie and not into the package filesystem. It's cronie specific since fcron, which I It runs well,but just spam the error.log and

Re: [arch-general] mplayer steals system sound

2012-02-19 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 10:18 PM, Thorsten quintf...@googlemail.com wrote: my system-sound (alsa) was working, until I installed mplayer. Now mplayer is working - but system-sound is gone. No way to regulate volume in alsamixer, What exactly happens? Are there no mixers, is it not possible to

Re: [arch-general] mplayer steals system sound

2012-02-19 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 11:50 PM, Thorsten quintf...@googlemail.com wrote: When playing mplayer, there is a playback mixer in alsamixer, and it works. When mplayer is stopped, the playback mixer is gone, while the other mixers are still there. Something is odd here. When using pulseaudio there

Re: [arch-general] howto build shadow 4.1.5 with share libraries enabled?

2012-02-21 Thread Tom Gundersen
David, On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 6:24 PM, David C. Rankin drankina...@suddenlinkmail.com wrote:  I am having trouble building the new shadow (4.1.5) from ABS so that libshadow.so.0 is created and installed. I have tried modifying lib/Makefile.am like was done in 4.1.4: I don't know much about

Re: [arch-general] /var/run should not be contained in the package file list.

2012-02-22 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 5:52 PM, Leonid Isaev lis...@umail.iu.edu wrote: The package-owner it 'filesystem'. But I disagree with the proposal because I'm not really sure what you are disagreeing with... (1) /var/run is a symlink, not a separate FS and (2) initscripts should accomplish the

Re: [arch-general] /var/run should not be contained in the package file list.

2012-02-22 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Feb 22, 2012 7:05 PM, Leonid Isaev lis...@umail.iu.edu wrote: On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 18:33:24 +0100 Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 5:52 PM, Leonid Isaev lis...@umail.iu.edu wrote: The package-owner it 'filesystem'. But I disagree with the proposal because

Re: [arch-general] /var/run should not be contained in the package file list.

2012-02-23 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 11:40 PM, Damjan gdam...@gmail.com wrote: g:  * /var/run is a symlink (created on boot) to /run. This should be changed in the future so the symlink is shipped with the filesystem package, but we have not figured out the transtion yet. How would that work with systemd

Re: [arch-general] Ways to power on broadcom bcm4311 wireless adaptor without booting into windows

2012-02-24 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 4:35 PM, mercator mercator2...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, After switching from Linux Mint to Archlinux, my wireless card refused to show up in lspci. It DOES worked fine under Linux Mint, but Below is my output of 'lspci -vnn |grep Broadcom' : 10:00.0 Ethernet

Re: [arch-general] Ways to power on broadcom bcm4311 wireless adaptor without booting into windows

2012-02-25 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 2:36 PM, mercator mercator2...@gmail.com wrote: And thank you Tom. I tried pressing my wifi switch when in BIOS. But it is in a touch panel, so I cannot switch it on manually. And I wonder whether your wifi switch is in a touch panel or a seperate button? Thanks! Not

Re: [arch-general] moving away from gnome

2012-02-25 Thread Tom Gundersen
Hi Andrea, On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 9:32 PM, Andrea Crotti andrea.crott...@gmail.com wrote: and this in inittab: id:3:initdefault: # Boot to X11 # id:5:initdefault: after rebooting GDM still fires up!! But how come? What is firing it up? Depends on what else is in your inittab file. By

Re: [arch-general] inotify and locate

2012-02-26 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Andrea Crotti andrea.crott...@gmail.com wrote: It's a bit a shame that there isn't any default good indexing system for Linux. Now there is also a inotify implementation and tools to set up watchers on the filesystem, so why are we still mainly stuck with

Re: [arch-general] dovecot.conf moved to dovecot.pacsave - why?

2012-02-27 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:51 AM, David C. Rankin drankina...@suddenlinkmail.com wrote:  Why does the new dovecot package move the dovecot.conf to dovecot.conf.pacsave? The same 2.0 configuration works with 2.1, why leave the user without any dovecot.conf at all? If you wonder why a packaging

Re: [arch-general] /var/run should not be contained in the package file list.

2012-02-28 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 6:01 PM, Christian Stadegaart e-m...@bewust-leven.nl wrote: What exactly is bind-mounted? Current mount information shows: /run on /var/run type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,mode=755) I presume this is a bind-mount? Correct. So what you're saying is that I should

Re: [arch-general] mkinitcpio

2012-03-02 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mar 2, 2012 3:09 PM, Thomas Bächler tho...@archlinux.org wrote: Am 02.03.2012 14:58, schrieb Simon Perry: I have removed ext4 from my MODULES line, and removed the filesystems hook in order to get rid of the dupe message. If you don't have the filesystem hook, and you don't have ext4 it

Re: [arch-general] mkinitcpio

2012-03-02 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Simon Perry a...@sanxion.net wrote: Something clearly changed in order to make this warning appear. I used to have ext2 and ext4 in my MODULES line, and autodetect and filesystems in my HOOKS. Never used to get a warning about ext4 being included twice,

Re: [arch-general] mkinitcpio

2012-03-02 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 6:15 PM, Myra Nelson myra.nel...@hughes.net wrote: On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 11:12, Myra Nelson myra.nel...@hughes.net wrote: First off, sorry for causing so much noise. That was not my intent. Don't think you caused any :-) my box - HOOKS=base udev autodetect pata scsi

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Cleaning up orphaned packages

2012-03-05 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Lukas Fleischer archli...@cryptocrack.de wrote: * bluez-firmware I take this one. * lzo If nothing is depending on this, it might simply mean that all users have moved to lzo2 and that lzo can be dropped. I'm not sure about lirc either, I'd prefer if someone

Re: [arch-general] kopete and google talk

2012-03-08 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Shridhar Daithankar ghodech...@ghodechhap.net wrote: I have configured a gmail account in kopete and google talk/libjingle is enabled. However if I right click on the contact properties, Call google talk contact is always disabled. What do I need to do to get

Re: [arch-general] problem with pulseaudio when resuming from pm-suspend

2012-03-09 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 10:27 AM, XeCycle xecy...@gmail.com wrote: I use pulseaudio on my laptop.  I start it by `start-pulseaudio-x11` in something like .xinitrc (I use a standalone wm with lxdm).  When I resume from pm-suspend, the system beeper issues several beeps; when I open a urxvt, a

Re: [arch-general] problem with pulseaudio when resuming from pm-suspend

2012-03-09 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 12:37 AM, Loui Chang louipc@gmail.com wrote: My guess is that what happens is that pulseaudio blocks the sound device, and that's the reason you don't hear the beep when it is running (i.e. when sounds play). Disabling PA as Ralf suggests would in this case not help

Re: [arch-general] Support additional binary formats at boot

2012-03-13 Thread Tom Gundersen
2012/3/13 Matthew Monaco dgbale...@0x01b.net: Does this really need to be done automatically? Up until now all of the mounting that rc.sysinit does is essential. This is definitely optional. Can't it just be a commented line in fstab in the filesystems package? ( essential except /dev/shm

Re: [arch-general] A Couple of Questions about files under etc which owned by no package

2012-03-16 Thread Tom Gundersen
2012/3/16 郑文辉(Techlive Zheng) techlivezh...@gmail.com:    error: No package owns /etc/localtime This is needed in order for different programs to know what timezone you are in. It should be a symlink maintained by initscripts, but it is set at runtime so not part of the package. -t

Re: [arch-general] A Couple of Questions about files under etc which owned by no package

2012-03-16 Thread Tom Gundersen
2012/3/16 郑文辉(Techlive Zheng) techlivezh...@gmail.com: 2012/3/16 Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no: 2012/3/16 郑文辉(Techlive Zheng) techlivezh...@gmail.com:    error: No package owns /etc/localtime This is needed in order for different programs to know what timezone you are in. It should be a symlink

Re: [arch-general] A Couple of Questions about files under etc which owned by no package

2012-03-16 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Leonid Isaev lis...@umail.iu.edu wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 16:23:03 +0800 I don't think checking ownership of files in /etc/ makes much sense, as these files are supposed to be added by user/daemons. For example, a lot of files under /etc/cups are not owned by

Re: [arch-general] Start a daemon, show a syntax error

2012-03-20 Thread Tom Gundersen
2012/3/20 郑文辉(Techlive Zheng) techlivezh...@gmail.com: But 'ls -l /bin/sh', shows that sh is a symlink to bash, but why it behaves so differently?    lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2011-11-23 14:08 /bin/sh - bash When called as /bin/sh, bash works in compatibility mode. Initscripts only support

Re: [arch-general] fsck on each boot?

2012-03-26 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 3:09 PM, gt static.vor...@gmx.com wrote: I recently added the fsck hook to mkinitcpio.conf after seeing it being recommended in the forums. I don't have a separate /usr though. Anyway, now after every boot i see: performing fsck on root-device It shows up clean, and

Re: [arch-general] USB mounted into wrong directory

2012-04-04 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Apr 4, 2012 4:46 AM, Vladimir Lomov lomov...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, after system upgrade (seems after 2012-04-02) all USB flashes are mounted in /run/media/USER/LABEL instead of /media/LABEL that was previously. Is it intentional or is it a bug? This is intentional. It is done by

Re: [arch-general] USB mounted into wrong directory

2012-04-04 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Apr 4, 2012 11:14 AM, David pixelsh...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 04 Apr 2012 12:05:55 +0300, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: On Apr 4, 2012 4:46 AM, Vladimir Lomov lomov...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, after system upgrade (seems after 2012-04-02) all USB flashes are mounted in /run/media

Re: [arch-general] USB mounted into wrong directory

2012-04-04 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Vladimir Lomov lomov...@gmail.com wrote: It depends. I usually mount USB flash using pcmanfm, thunar or nautilus then run krusader (doh, until now I didn't know how to mount USB sticks using krusader) and work with the stick. Nevermind, krusader like dolphin

Re: [arch-general] Segfault error in depmod while upgrading linux 3.2.14-1

2012-04-06 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Apr 6, 2012 3:18 PM, martin kalcher martin.kalc...@googlemail.com wrote: Hey, i got a segfault [1] in depmod while upgrading [2] the kernel. A second 'pacman -S linux' worked fine. Where should i report this? bugs.sidelines.org, against knife. T [1] http://scrp.at/bix [2]

Re: [arch-general] A couple of surprises

2012-04-12 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 11:15 PM, Don deJuan donjuans...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/12/2012 02:10 PM, Guillermo Leira wrote: Hello! Last upgrade of udev [2012-04-12 20:16] upgraded udev (182-1 -  181-9) Makes my gnome-shell start in alternate mode. And last upgrade of consolekit [2012-04-12

[arch-general] [HEADSUP] /lib/security/* moving to /usr/lib/security/

2012-04-14 Thread Tom Gundersen
Hi guys, After gnome-3.4 move out of testing I intend to rebuild all packages with files in /lib/security to move them to /usr/lib/security. I'm using this locally and everything seems fine, so I don't expect any issues. That said, third-party packages should make note of this change as pam

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [RFC] official systemd support

2012-04-17 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Apr 17, 2012 10:41 AM, Oon-Ee Ng ngoonee.t...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: Hi guys, snip 3) packages are compiled with systemd support where it is available and does not cause regressions on non-systemd systems. snip Should bugs

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] cpufrequtils in [core]

2012-04-18 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Apr 18, 2012 10:41 AM, Thomas Bächler tho...@archlinux.org wrote: Am 08.04.2012 18:08, schrieb Leonid Isaev: Hi, Cpufrequtils 008 in [core] has long been orphaned and, as you know, actually deprecated upstream since linux 3.1 (http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_3.1). Instead,

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] cpufrequtils in [core]

2012-04-18 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Apr 19, 2012 1:47 AM, Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de wrote: Am Thu, 19 Apr 2012 01:21:46 +0200 schrieb Seblu se...@seblu.net: If you move linux-tools source package into core/extra it make sense to merge it with linux package. What sense does this make? The package linux is the

[arch-general] [signoff] ipw2200-fw-1.3-7 and ipw2100-fw-3.1-5

2012-04-19 Thread Tom Gundersen
Hi guys, These packages have been in testing for some time without any signoffs, so signoffs from users as well as devs would be appreciated. The only change should be that the firmware has moved from /lib/firmware to /usr/lib/firmware. Cheers, Tom

Re: [arch-general] RFC: OpenRC as init system for Arch

2012-04-25 Thread Tom Gundersen
Hi Patrick, On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote: in the last months there have been many discussions about init systems, especially systemd. The current state seems to make no one really happy - the current Arch Linux init system is a bit minimal and gets

Re: [arch-general] RFC: OpenRC as init system for Arch

2012-04-26 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 1:27 AM, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote: About modules and bloat - for systemd you're going from a few hundred lines of shell to a few hundred thousand lines of mandatory dependencies. I have no idea where you get these numbers from, or why they should matter.

Re: [arch-general] [Bulk] Re: RFC: OpenRC as init system for Arch

2012-04-28 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Imagine if all drivers loaded at once. Just a piece of information: the way kernel modules are loaded is not changed, currently they are (for most intents and purposes) loaded at once. -t

Re: [arch-general] [Bulk] Re: RFC: OpenRC as init system for Arch

2012-04-28 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 8:12 PM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I presume you will be able to get to this journal information even if you switch off and access the drive in another machine? You can configure the journal to be saved to disk and process it on a different machine

Re: [arch-general] [Bulk] Re: RFC: OpenRC as init system for Arch

2012-04-29 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote: The sysvinit code is so boring that there are still typos in the comments because not enough people even look at it to notice ... The lack of maintenance of sysvinit is a bit worrying, isn't it? i write a lot of shell

Re: [arch-general] [Bulk] Re: RFC: OpenRC as init system for Arch

2012-04-30 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: What's the point. To me that's just adding an extra redundant layer that could have bugs. I see no point using binaries for configuration whatosever. RAM is crazy fast and some SSDs are now as fast as a PIIIs ram.

Re: [arch-general] Switching back to udisk1

2012-05-04 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: http://igurublog.wordpress.com/2012/03/11/udisks2-another-loss-for-linux/; Please don't take this guy seriously. If you read the post that he is basing his rant on, you'll see that he has completely misunderstood

Re: [arch-general] Switching back to udisk1

2012-05-04 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On Fri, 4 May 2012 13:43:03 +0200 Tom Gundersen wrote: I couldn't find a reference. Do you have a link? As far as I'm aware, the only real complaint against udisks2 is that they don't supply commandline tools

Re: [arch-general] RFC: OpenRC as init system for Arch

2012-05-07 Thread Tom Gundersen
Hi Patrick, On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote: People have thrown event based and such words around, but no one has dared to clarify or properly define what they mean by it. Thus I can't understand if there's anything missing in OpenRC or people are just

Re: [arch-general] RFC: OpenRC as init system for Arch

2012-05-07 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: p.s. I wouldn't mind knowing more about event driven too. I believe I was given an impression of what it was when systemd first hit ubuntu but I can't remember finding out exactly. A quick google just now turned up

Re: [arch-general] net-auto-wired in systemd - ifplugd failed with exit code 3

2012-05-08 Thread Tom Gundersen
rely on this). I only fixed this up as it was buggy when I found it, but it might be that this behavior is not desired at all (I don't use this stuff). How would you expect this to work? For your reference: commit 2bc3e1ae6053a645dd49ea4e0aad2ccee173de20 Author: Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no Date

Re: [arch-general] RFC: OpenRC as init system for Arch

2012-05-08 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: (by no means take this as authorative, there is plenty of writing on this both by the upstart guys and the systemd guys who know it better than me). This was just published, which probably describes the concepts better than my

Re: [arch-general] Timing issues when decrypting a USB drive during boot (/etc/crypttab)

2012-05-12 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Julius Adorf jead...@googlemail.com wrote: Recently, I tried to automatically unlock an encrypted external USB hard drive on Arch Linux. I have done this by inserting an appropriate entry into /etc/crypttab. I chose the device to be unlocked by cryptsetup with

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] linux-3.4.0-1 enters [testing]

2012-05-21 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 4:54 PM, Frederic Bezies fredbez...@gmail.com wrote: Got a warning on start : [    7.552939] microcode: failed to load file amd-ucode/microcode_amd.bin [    7.554370] microcode: failed to load file amd-ucode/microcode_amd.bin The microcode module is now loaded

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] linux-3.4.0-1 enters [testing]

2012-05-21 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Thomas Bächler tho...@archlinux.org wrote: (btw, it should also autoload powernow-k8 and kvm-amd now, so no need for them in MODULES any more!). Small correction: kvm modules are not yet autoloaded. They will be in 3.5 though [0] (and then most people can ditch

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] linux-3.4.0-1 enters [testing]

2012-05-22 Thread Tom Gundersen
Please report this upstream or to the AUR page, as it might be specific to your kernel configuration. If you can reproduce the problem with the kernel from testing, let us know. Tom On May 22, 2012 4:54 PM, Sébastien le Preste de Vauban ulpianoso...@gmail.com wrote: El 21/05/12 09:21, Tobias

[arch-general] [easytag] call for maintainer / drop package

2012-05-22 Thread Tom Gundersen
Hi guys, Easytag is unmaintained and no longer builds against the newest version of libmp4v2, and they have no patches for this (as far as I can tell) upstream. Does anyone want to take on easytag to sort this out, or should we drop the package to community (does any TU's want it?), or to AUR?

Re: [arch-general] Systemd and init scripts

2012-05-29 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 7:24 PM, Myra Nelson myra.nel...@hughes.net wrote: The latest move of udev to systemd-tools brings up one question for me. When do I need to stop updating my machines so I don't have to switch to systemd? Never (or at least not for a very long time). Initsrcripts will

Re: [arch-general] /usr/bin/X: error while loading shared libraries: libudev.so.0:

2012-06-03 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 12:52 AM, P .NIKOLIC p.nikol...@btinternet.com wrote: Oh i also noitced that the systemd-udev update has messed the PA sound system up FWIW, that probably has the same cause (new version of libudev, but old version of PA and X). -t

Re: [arch-general] [cdrecord] Problems with original cdrecord on latest linux kernel

2012-06-10 Thread Tom Gundersen
Jörg, Lukáš, On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Joerg Schilling joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: Looks like a missconfigured kernel that does not include support for or for some strange reason does not load the SCSI generic driver Our kernel does in fact include the sg module.

Re: [arch-general] [cdrecord] Problems with original cdrecord on latest linux kernel

2012-06-10 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Joerg Schilling joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: Why should someone call an important driver legacy? I assume it is because it has some problems, and has been replaced by something else. But you'd have to take it up with the udev maintainer, as he is

Re: [arch-general] [cdrecord] Problems with original cdrecord on latest linux kernel

2012-06-10 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Lukáš Jirkovský l.jirkov...@gmail.com wrote: Tom, I don't know much about this modules-load.d stuff. Does it work with plain udev? Otherwise it wouldn't help much including that file for users that doesn't use systemd (and I'm one of them). It works the same

Re: [arch-general] about FS#30053 and systemd service/unit file in general

2012-06-11 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 10:59 AM, solsTiCe d'Hiver solstice.dhi...@gmail.com wrote: Systemd is made to boot/init a linux distro. But our distro here is archlinux and we are making archlinux package, right ? I understand we ship unpatched upstream package, but do we want to ship broken package

Re: [arch-general] VPS can't access after update filesystem?

2012-06-12 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Bill Sun cap.sensit...@gmail.com wrote: I rent a VPS from a not-so-famous provider, and they use XEN. After I updated my system on Jun 10 (I update my system every Sundays), My VPS seems dead. I can't ssh to it, I can't ping to it, I can't do anything to it. I

Re: [arch-general] [cdrecord] Problems with original cdrecord on latest linux kernel

2012-06-16 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 9:14 PM, Lukáš Jirkovský l.jirkov...@gmail.com wrote: On 11 June 2012 12:05, Joerg Schilling joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: BTW: the fact that there is no documentation[1] for this new driver looks like a reason for not including it. That's a perfectly

Re: [arch-general] tmp files no longer removed

2012-06-20 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Jun 20, 2012 6:05 PM, Lukáš Jirkovský l.jirkov...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, before submitting bug report I want to make sure this isn't feature. My problem is that my /tmp folder is no longer cleaned up during boot. Now I have to do that manually which is really annoying. I dug through the

Re: [arch-general] tmp files no longer removed

2012-06-20 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Jun 20, 2012 6:32 PM, Lukáš Jirkovský l.jirkov...@gmail.com wrote: On 20 June 2012 18:28, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: On Jun 20, 2012 6:05 PM, Lukáš Jirkovský l.jirkov...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, before submitting bug report I want to make sure this isn't feature. My problem

Re: [arch-general] What causes the 3-5 sec delay before :: running early hooks (udev)?

2012-06-20 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Jun 20, 2012 7:21 PM, David C. Rankin drankina...@suddenlinkmail.com wrote: Guys, After recent updates to 3.4.3 and systemd-tools, etc., I have a new delay on boot. The system just seems to sit for any extra 5 secs or so with a blank screen after switching from grub to start booting. The

Re: [arch-general] tmp files no longer removed

2012-06-21 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Jun 21, 2012 1:16 PM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: There is a configuration file in /usr/lib/tmpfiles.d named tmp.conf which can be copied to /etc/conf.d and modified as needed. I meant a place for any shell incarnation though not a rigid?? pre-ordained facility. Nothing

Re: [arch-general] tmp files no longer removed

2012-06-21 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Jun 21, 2012 11:12 AM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: The ability to clean /tmp at boot should probably be preserved. The ability I would certainly agree with but has it been removed? It has not been removed. The standard behavior changed slightly, but as mentioned this can

Re: [arch-general] tmp files no longer removed

2012-06-21 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 1:32 AM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I figured that, atleast the rc.local bit. There's no exec line that can be used in the tmpfiles.d either in arch or full systemd then running it at the same stage of init, just out of interest. I know there is one for

Re: [arch-general] What replaced tunepimp for lookup - if anything?

2012-06-25 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 11:10 PM, David C. Rankin drankina...@suddenlinkmail.com wrote: Guys,  tpowa used to support the tunepimp package that is/was used by amarok for music lookup, etc.. That package has been dropped. It wont even build currently (probably gcc 4.7.1 issues) I need to figure

Re: [arch-general] Country Name (ISO-3116) Issues

2012-07-01 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 7:28 PM, Loui Chang louipc@gmail.com wrote: On Sun 01 Jul 2012 23:08 +0800, Zero, Chien-An Cho wrote: Hello, First of all, I am sorry to bring political issues to here. I have been using ArchLinux for years, deployed on many servers, though I'm not joining the

Re: [arch-general] Country Name (ISO-3116) Issues

2012-07-01 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Loui Chang louipc@gmail.com wrote: Gimme a break. These kind of political issues aren't solved by taking it upstream. Since when are politicians or people under the influence of politics known for their outstanding adherence to logic and reason? It's not

Re: [arch-general] shadow upgrade 4.1.5.1-1. /pam configuration files

2012-07-02 Thread Tom Gundersen
Leaving the old file in place should work. Also replacing it with the new one should work. I guess you did something in between? On Jul 2, 2012 5:27 PM, Arno Gaboury arnaud.gabo...@gmail.com wrote: Dear list, I messed up my box yesterday when upgrading shadow, and trying to understand and

Re: [arch-general] /etc/os-release: Suggestions for improvements

2012-07-03 Thread Tom Gundersen
Hi Karol, Thanks for your input. I'm answering to your original email, but I read the whole discussion... On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Karol Babioch ka...@babioch.de wrote: First of all I'm wondering why HOME_URL is set to the plain HTTP version of archlinux.org, whereas the other two links

Re: [arch-general] initscripts 20120631 and BTRFS

2012-07-03 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Jul 3, 2012 4:36 PM, Arno Gaboury arnaud.gabo...@gmail.com wrote: Dear list, I refer to this bug report: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/30517 I have exactly the same situation at boot, and this didn't happend before. The bug report is about lvm, and your email appears to be about

Re: [arch-general] Leap seconds ntp and chrony?

2012-07-03 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Jul 3, 2012 6:33 PM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Watches are perfectly acceptable time keepers especially considering I have a cheap watch stuffed in a drawer that I was surprised hasn't lost seconds in years. RTC: I'm fairly sure many older ones don't even have crystals

Re: [arch-general] initscripts 20120631 and BTRFS

2012-07-03 Thread Tom Gundersen
guess new iniscript broke something with LVM. Regards Yeah, this is known. Being fixed. Tom Sent from my Galaxy S2 running Cyanogenmod 9 Come and chat on Googletalk On Jul 3, 2012 7:06 PM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: On Jul 3, 2012 4:36 PM, Arno Gaboury arnaud.gabo

Re: [arch-general] [aur-general] [arch-dev-public] final leg of /lib removal

2012-07-03 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Jul 3, 2012 8:18 PM, Dave Reisner d...@falconindy.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 03, 2012 at 07:56:32PM +0200, Ike Devolder wrote: Op dinsdag 3 juli 2012 11:41:08 schreef Dave Reisner: Hey all, *** If you use a custom kernel, this will affect you. Please read the big scary note at the

Re: [arch-general] [aur-general] [arch-dev-public] final leg of /lib removal

2012-07-03 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Dave Reisner d...@falconindy.com wrote: As with any large change, I'll mention on dev-public when this goes to testing, and there will be an associated news item when it moves to core. I suggest also adding a post-upgrade message to kmod. Something like: Kernel

Re: [arch-general] [aur-general] [arch-dev-public] final leg of /lib removal

2012-07-03 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 1:34 AM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Worst case scenario, users of custom kernels can: - manually move /lib/modules/mycustomkernel to /usr/lib/modules/ until they can do a proper rebuild. - boot a stock -ARCH kernel (you DO have it listed as a

Re: [arch-general] Leap seconds ntp and chrony?

2012-07-04 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:06 PM, Mauro Santos registo.maill...@gmail.com wrote: On 04-07-2012 21:00, Tom Gundersen wrote: On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 9:06 PM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: If you have a mercurial/git installation even in a small group, I am sure you'll prefer

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