Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-30 Thread Guus Snijders
Op 30 sep. 2012 06:37 schreef Nicholas MIller nick.k...@gmail.com het volgende: On Sep 29, 2012 10:26 PM, Oon-Ee Ng ngoonee.t...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 11:53 AM, 1007...@gmail.com wrote: snip ...sometimes I want to contact the devs to bring something up or ask a

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-30 Thread Oon-Ee Ng
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 7:07 AM, Guus Snijders gsnijd...@gmail.com wrote: There are sometimes quite interesting details mentioned in the OT threads. A -discuss list would be a good place for those, without cluttering -general. (yes, i'm being an optimist here ;-). Opening dev-public would

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-29 Thread Oon-Ee Ng
On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 11:53 AM, 1007...@gmail.com wrote: snip ...sometimes I want to contact the devs to bring something up or ask a question on it. There's a bug tracker where you can directly contact maintainers, for bugs/feature requests. For 'questions' I'd think that's not really the

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-29 Thread Nicholas MIller
On Sep 29, 2012 10:26 PM, Oon-Ee Ng ngoonee.t...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 11:53 AM, 1007...@gmail.com wrote: snip ...sometimes I want to contact the devs to bring something up or ask a question on it. There's a bug tracker where you can directly contact maintainers, for

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-28 Thread nailz
Very eloquently put brethren +1 On Sep 27, 2012 9:33 PM, Martín Cigorraga m...@archlinux.us wrote: While I would like to support @Tobias idea of splitting the list I also agree with all the following emails. Btw, so much time using Arch and I've never heard about

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-28 Thread David Benfell
On 09/27/2012 11:34 AM, Tobias Frilling wrote: The -discussion mailing list could serve as an outlet for this need, rendering the other list more productive via being moderated; The rule wouldn't be shut up or be banned, which shouldn't really be necessary for rational folks like us, but shut

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-28 Thread Allan McRae
On 28/09/12 19:01, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: The 27/09/12, Karol Blazewicz wrote: Can you give some examples of discussions you would see moving to archlinux-dev? Sure. Subject: [arch-general] Modifying archiso From: Robbie Smith z...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 19:47:11

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-28 Thread Gaetan Bisson
[2012-09-28 11:38:13 +0200] Nicolas Sebrecht: What you're calling crap are all technical content that could gain with direct emulation with official maintainers. We have recently seen on this very mailing list that for every person posting considerate opinions, there are dozens who just pollute

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-28 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sep 28, 2012 12:01 PM, Nicolas Sebrecht nsebre...@piing.fr wrote: The 28/09/12, Gaetan Bisson wrote: We have recently seen on this very mailing list that for every person posting considerate opinions, there are dozens who just pollute threads with fear, uncertainty, doubt, and just

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-28 Thread mike cloaked
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: On Sep 28, 2012 12:01 PM, Nicolas Sebrecht nsebre...@piing.fr wrote: The 28/09/12, Gaetan Bisson wrote: We have recently seen on this very mailing list that for every person posting considerate opinions, there are dozens

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-28 Thread Leonidas Spyropoulos
On 28 Sep 2012 11:34, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: An option could be to enable moderation on dev-public, still defaulting to rejecting everything, but allow through high-quality contributions from the outside. I concur this idea, but who's is going to moderate it? You should consider

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-28 Thread Gaetan Bisson
[2012-09-28 12:01:01 +0200] Nicolas Sebrecht: The 28/09/12, Gaetan Bisson wrote: We have recently seen on this very mailing list that for every person posting considerate opinions, there are dozens who just pollute threads with fear, uncertainty, doubt, and just sheer incompetence. I'm

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-28 Thread 1007380
On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 02:16:23AM +0800, Gaetan Bisson wrote: [2012-09-28 12:01:01 +0200] Nicolas Sebrecht: The 28/09/12, Gaetan Bisson wrote: We have recently seen on this very mailing list that for every person posting considerate opinions, there are dozens who just pollute threads

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-27 Thread Allan McRae
On 26/09/12 21:35, Allan McRae wrote: I am invoking the easy way to end flamewars... This mailing list will be shut down for the next 24 hours. Any messages sent to the list will go to /dev/null. Once the list is reinstated, I will automatically ban any person who sends an email that is

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-27 Thread Tobias Frilling
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/27/2012 12:43 PM, Allan McRae wrote: And we are back... Sir, you've got some yarbles. IMHO the cause of all these flaming is that arch-general is too, well, general. What about if we would split this list up into a list for technical questions

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-27 Thread Jakob Herrmann
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Full ack, although I have the feeling that critical discussion is something what (at least some) devs/admins want to avoid within the community. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla -

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-27 Thread Karol Blazewicz
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Nicolas Sebrecht nsebre...@piing.fr wrote: The 27/09/12, Tobias Frilling wrote: The problem is not at the general mailing list but at the dev mailing list side. archlinux-dev is for contributors and as long somebody is just a user he should have read-only

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-27 Thread Tobias Frilling
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/27/2012 04:35 PM, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: Instead of fragmenting more the mailing lists with the hope of putting poor contributions out of place for advanced users, let enter the technical oriented users into the dev mailing list. I don't

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-27 Thread mike cloaked
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Nicolas Sebrecht nsebre...@piing.fr wrote: The 27/09/12, Tobias Frilling wrote: IMHO the cause of all these flaming is that arch-general is too, well, general. The problem is not that arch-general is the wrong place for the latter threads. Users are correct

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-27 Thread Karol Blazewicz
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 6:28 PM, mike cloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.com wrote: For those users who use the arch forums via a web interface there seems to be more helpful comments and less trolling than in the general list - just an observation - maybe that is because the forums are split into a

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-27 Thread mike cloaked
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Karol Blazewicz karol.blazew...@gmail.com wrote: As it was mentioned a couple times on the list, the forums have moderators. If you don't behave, you get banned, threads get closed etc. OK - it seems to work - when I get frustrated with the mailling list I go

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-27 Thread Øyvind Heggstad
On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 14:19:31 +0200 Tobias Frilling tob...@frilling-online.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/27/2012 12:43 PM, Allan McRae wrote: And we are back... Sir, you've got some yarbles. IMHO the cause of all these flaming is that arch-general is too,

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-27 Thread Joakim Hernberg
On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 17:28:02 +0100 mike cloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.com wrote: For those users who use the arch forums via a web interface there Is there an alternative way to access the forums? mailing list, usenet? -- Joakim

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-27 Thread Tobias Frilling
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/27/2012 09:44 PM, Øyvind Heggstad wrote: I can only see two things that can really help slow down/stop/revert the spiral: 1) Moderation. Get rid of the serial trollers/flamers 2) Get more devs and good people to join and be active. For

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-27 Thread Karol Blazewicz
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 7:47 PM, Joakim Hernberg j...@alchemy.lu wrote: On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 17:28:02 +0100 mike cloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.com wrote: For those users who use the arch forums via a web interface there Is there an alternative way to access the forums? mailing list, usenet?

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-27 Thread Martín Cigorraga
While I would like to support @Tobias idea of splitting the list I also agree with all the following emails. Btw, so much time using Arch and I've never heard about http://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux, thanks for that. I only want to add an observation to what was already said: Tipically all this

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-27 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 05:32:08PM -0300, Martín Cigorraga wrote: We Arch Linux users are a kind of users who: [1 ... 6] A as user I can subscribe to this 100%, also to your conclusions. -- FA A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia. It's also a pipe-dream, founded on

[arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-26 Thread Allan McRae
I am invoking the easy way to end flamewars... This mailing list will be shut down for the next 24 hours. Any messages sent to the list will go to /dev/null. Once the list is reinstated, I will automatically ban any person who sends an email that is not asking for help or providing help. Allan