Re: [Arches] Re: register and present resource information in multiple languages

[anjo.we...@gmail.com]

Hi Alexei,

Many thanks. I will explore if there is something useful I can contribute 
to the documentation.

Best wishes,
Anjo
On Thursday, March 18, 2021 at 11:17:39 PM UTC+1 Alexei Peters wrote:

> Hi Anjo,
> As for your question about contributing to the project please see the 
> documentation found here:  
> https://arches.readthedocs.io/en/stable/overview/#contributing-to-arches
> Hopefully that points you in the right direction.
> Cheers,
> Alexei
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 10:38 AM anjo.we...@gmail.com <
> anjo.we...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Dennis,
>>
>> Many thanks for your reply and many thanks for all the great work.
>> Apart from representing the search results names, multi-language seems to 
>> work very nicely with everything that can fit into thesauri of the 
>> Reference Data Manager. But of course, that is not applicable for all 
>> attributes.
>>
>> In the regions where I am active, multi-language support is a 
>> requirement, and many projects cannot be implemented without that feature. 
>> I understand funding such requests is important. Are there procedures for 
>> voting on feature requests, getting feedback on the financial needs, and 
>> crowdsourcing funding and other means of contributions?
>>
>> With regards to multi-language support being implemented in the future: 
>> What are the recommendations for building resource models to increase the 
>> chance of feature-compatibility.
>>
>> Many thanks,
>> Anjo
>>
>> PS: Although I am not a developer, I would like to contribute to the 
>> project regularly in the future. I would appreciate any advice from you and 
>> the community in that direction.
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 11:03:58 PM UTC+1 Dennis Wuthrich wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Anjo,
>>>
>>> With 5.1, search does not automatically use the "location" language to 
>>> return results.   We are currently thinking about extending multi-language 
>>> support to search (and to string nodes) to better match your expected 
>>> result.  There is a growing desire among Arches users to fully support 
>>> multiple languages, and if this effort is funded we hope that users like 
>>> you will share their use cases for working with multi-lingual data.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Dennis
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 1:50:11 AM UTC-7 anjo.we...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>

 Hi,

 I would like to register and present resource information in multiple 
 languages using CIDOC-CRM and the improved support for localization 
 starting with Arches 5.1

 I built the model with the following structure:

 Resource Model (E18 Physical thing)
 |__ Resource Name (E41 Appellation)
   |__ Language (E33 Linguistic Object)
  |__Language Type (E56 Language)

 "Resource Name" has the data type "string". For the "Language Type" I 
 assign the data type "concept" and select the "language" collection from 
 the *"*Reference Data Manager".

 Procedure:
 Resource Model is added with names in corresponding languages.

 Expected output:
 Searching for resource name defined in language A while having selected 
 the locale A gives back the name in language A.

 Real output:
 Searching for resource name defined in language A while having selected 
 the locale A gives back the name in the language it was first created in.

 Does my approach make sense? What am I missing? Is there a better 
 solution to achieve the described goal?

 Many thanks for your help,
 Anjo



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[Arches] Re: register and present resource information in multiple languages

[anjo.we...@gmail.com]

Hi Dennis,

It sounds like there is a lot of great progress going on.

Let me know if I can be of any help regarding the use cases. Indeed, it 
would be interesting and helpful to discover different approaches and 
requirements for multi-language projects.

Wish you a great week,
Anjo

On Thursday, March 18, 2021 at 4:50:21 PM UTC+1 Dennis Wuthrich wrote:

> Hi Anjo,
>
> Great questions concerning proposing new features for Arches.  At the 
> moment, there aren't any formal procedures for voting on features, and 
> funding/crowdsourcing is done in an informal way.  But, we are working on a 
> process for making it easier for members of the community to participate in 
> setting the roadmap for Arches features.  
>
> As for recommendations for modeling, we don't have any yet.  But it would 
> be great to hear use cases for multiple language support from the community 
> so that we can start thinking about modeling implications.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dennis
> On Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 10:38:37 AM UTC-7 anjo.we...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Dennis,
>>
>> Many thanks for your reply and many thanks for all the great work.
>> Apart from representing the search results names, multi-language seems to 
>> work very nicely with everything that can fit into thesauri of the 
>> Reference Data Manager. But of course, that is not applicable for all 
>> attributes.
>>
>> In the regions where I am active, multi-language support is a 
>> requirement, and many projects cannot be implemented without that feature. 
>> I understand funding such requests is important. Are there procedures for 
>> voting on feature requests, getting feedback on the financial needs, and 
>> crowdsourcing funding and other means of contributions?
>>
>> With regards to multi-language support being implemented in the future: 
>> What are the recommendations for building resource models to increase the 
>> chance of feature-compatibility.
>>
>> Many thanks,
>> Anjo
>>
>> PS: Although I am not a developer, I would like to contribute to the 
>> project regularly in the future. I would appreciate any advice from you and 
>> the community in that direction.
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 11:03:58 PM UTC+1 Dennis Wuthrich wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Anjo,
>>>
>>> With 5.1, search does not automatically use the "location" language to 
>>> return results.   We are currently thinking about extending multi-language 
>>> support to search (and to string nodes) to better match your expected 
>>> result.  There is a growing desire among Arches users to fully support 
>>> multiple languages, and if this effort is funded we hope that users like 
>>> you will share their use cases for working with multi-lingual data.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Dennis
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 1:50:11 AM UTC-7 anjo.we...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>

 Hi,

 I would like to register and present resource information in multiple 
 languages using CIDOC-CRM and the improved support for localization 
 starting with Arches 5.1

 I built the model with the following structure:

 Resource Model (E18 Physical thing)
 |__ Resource Name (E41 Appellation)
   |__ Language (E33 Linguistic Object)
  |__Language Type (E56 Language)

 "Resource Name" has the data type "string". For the "Language Type" I 
 assign the data type "concept" and select the "language" collection from 
 the *"*Reference Data Manager".

 Procedure:
 Resource Model is added with names in corresponding languages.

 Expected output:
 Searching for resource name defined in language A while having selected 
 the locale A gives back the name in language A.

 Real output:
 Searching for resource name defined in language A while having selected 
 the locale A gives back the name in the language it was first created in.

 Does my approach make sense? What am I missing? Is there a better 
 solution to achieve the described goal?

 Many thanks for your help,
 Anjo





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Re: [Arches] Re: register and present resource information in multiple languages

[Alexei Peters]

Hi Anjo,
As for your question about contributing to the project please see the
documentation found here:
https://arches.readthedocs.io/en/stable/overview/#contributing-to-arches
Hopefully that points you in the right direction.
Cheers,
Alexei


On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 10:38 AM anjo.we...@gmail.com <
anjo.weichbr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Dennis,
>
> Many thanks for your reply and many thanks for all the great work.
> Apart from representing the search results names, multi-language seems to
> work very nicely with everything that can fit into thesauri of the
> Reference Data Manager. But of course, that is not applicable for all
> attributes.
>
> In the regions where I am active, multi-language support is a requirement,
> and many projects cannot be implemented without that feature. I understand
> funding such requests is important. Are there procedures for voting on
> feature requests, getting feedback on the financial needs, and
> crowdsourcing funding and other means of contributions?
>
> With regards to multi-language support being implemented in the future:
> What are the recommendations for building resource models to increase the
> chance of feature-compatibility.
>
> Many thanks,
> Anjo
>
> PS: Although I am not a developer, I would like to contribute to the
> project regularly in the future. I would appreciate any advice from you and
> the community in that direction.
>
> On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 11:03:58 PM UTC+1 Dennis Wuthrich wrote:
>
>> Hi Anjo,
>>
>> With 5.1, search does not automatically use the "location" language to
>> return results.   We are currently thinking about extending multi-language
>> support to search (and to string nodes) to better match your expected
>> result.  There is a growing desire among Arches users to fully support
>> multiple languages, and if this effort is funded we hope that users like
>> you will share their use cases for working with multi-lingual data.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Dennis
>>
>> On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 1:50:11 AM UTC-7 anjo.we...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I would like to register and present resource information in multiple
>>> languages using CIDOC-CRM and the improved support for localization
>>> starting with Arches 5.1
>>>
>>> I built the model with the following structure:
>>>
>>> Resource Model (E18 Physical thing)
>>> |__ Resource Name (E41 Appellation)
>>>   |__ Language (E33 Linguistic Object)
>>>  |__Language Type (E56 Language)
>>>
>>> "Resource Name" has the data type "string". For the "Language Type" I
>>> assign the data type "concept" and select the "language" collection from
>>> the *"*Reference Data Manager".
>>>
>>> Procedure:
>>> Resource Model is added with names in corresponding languages.
>>>
>>> Expected output:
>>> Searching for resource name defined in language A while having selected
>>> the locale A gives back the name in language A.
>>>
>>> Real output:
>>> Searching for resource name defined in language A while having selected
>>> the locale A gives back the name in the language it was first created in.
>>>
>>> Does my approach make sense? What am I missing? Is there a better
>>> solution to achieve the described goal?
>>>
>>> Many thanks for your help,
>>> Anjo
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[Arches] Re: register and present resource information in multiple languages

[Dennis Wuthrich]

Hi Anjo,

Great questions concerning proposing new features for Arches.  At the 
moment, there aren't any formal procedures for voting on features, and 
funding/crowdsourcing is done in an informal way.  But, we are working on a 
process for making it easier for members of the community to participate in 
setting the roadmap for Arches features.  

As for recommendations for modeling, we don't have any yet.  But it would 
be great to hear use cases for multiple language support from the community 
so that we can start thinking about modeling implications.

Cheers,

Dennis
On Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 10:38:37 AM UTC-7 anjo.we...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hi Dennis,
>
> Many thanks for your reply and many thanks for all the great work.
> Apart from representing the search results names, multi-language seems to 
> work very nicely with everything that can fit into thesauri of the 
> Reference Data Manager. But of course, that is not applicable for all 
> attributes.
>
> In the regions where I am active, multi-language support is a requirement, 
> and many projects cannot be implemented without that feature. I understand 
> funding such requests is important. Are there procedures for voting on 
> feature requests, getting feedback on the financial needs, and 
> crowdsourcing funding and other means of contributions?
>
> With regards to multi-language support being implemented in the future: 
> What are the recommendations for building resource models to increase the 
> chance of feature-compatibility.
>
> Many thanks,
> Anjo
>
> PS: Although I am not a developer, I would like to contribute to the 
> project regularly in the future. I would appreciate any advice from you and 
> the community in that direction.
>
> On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 11:03:58 PM UTC+1 Dennis Wuthrich wrote:
>
>> Hi Anjo,
>>
>> With 5.1, search does not automatically use the "location" language to 
>> return results.   We are currently thinking about extending multi-language 
>> support to search (and to string nodes) to better match your expected 
>> result.  There is a growing desire among Arches users to fully support 
>> multiple languages, and if this effort is funded we hope that users like 
>> you will share their use cases for working with multi-lingual data.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Dennis
>>
>> On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 1:50:11 AM UTC-7 anjo.we...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I would like to register and present resource information in multiple 
>>> languages using CIDOC-CRM and the improved support for localization 
>>> starting with Arches 5.1
>>>
>>> I built the model with the following structure:
>>>
>>> Resource Model (E18 Physical thing)
>>> |__ Resource Name (E41 Appellation)
>>>   |__ Language (E33 Linguistic Object)
>>>  |__Language Type (E56 Language)
>>>
>>> "Resource Name" has the data type "string". For the "Language Type" I 
>>> assign the data type "concept" and select the "language" collection from 
>>> the *"*Reference Data Manager".
>>>
>>> Procedure:
>>> Resource Model is added with names in corresponding languages.
>>>
>>> Expected output:
>>> Searching for resource name defined in language A while having selected 
>>> the locale A gives back the name in language A.
>>>
>>> Real output:
>>> Searching for resource name defined in language A while having selected 
>>> the locale A gives back the name in the language it was first created in.
>>>
>>> Does my approach make sense? What am I missing? Is there a better 
>>> solution to achieve the described goal?
>>>
>>> Many thanks for your help,
>>> Anjo
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[Arches] Re: register and present resource information in multiple languages

[anjo.we...@gmail.com]

Hi Dennis,

Many thanks for your reply and many thanks for all the great work.
Apart from representing the search results names, multi-language seems to 
work very nicely with everything that can fit into thesauri of the 
Reference Data Manager. But of course, that is not applicable for all 
attributes.

In the regions where I am active, multi-language support is a requirement, 
and many projects cannot be implemented without that feature. I understand 
funding such requests is important. Are there procedures for voting on 
feature requests, getting feedback on the financial needs, and 
crowdsourcing funding and other means of contributions?

With regards to multi-language support being implemented in the future: 
What are the recommendations for building resource models to increase the 
chance of feature-compatibility.

Many thanks,
Anjo

PS: Although I am not a developer, I would like to contribute to the 
project regularly in the future. I would appreciate any advice from you and 
the community in that direction.

On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 11:03:58 PM UTC+1 Dennis Wuthrich wrote:

> Hi Anjo,
>
> With 5.1, search does not automatically use the "location" language to 
> return results.   We are currently thinking about extending multi-language 
> support to search (and to string nodes) to better match your expected 
> result.  There is a growing desire among Arches users to fully support 
> multiple languages, and if this effort is funded we hope that users like 
> you will share their use cases for working with multi-lingual data.
>
> Cheers,
> Dennis
>
> On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 1:50:11 AM UTC-7 anjo.we...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I would like to register and present resource information in multiple 
>> languages using CIDOC-CRM and the improved support for localization 
>> starting with Arches 5.1
>>
>> I built the model with the following structure:
>>
>> Resource Model (E18 Physical thing)
>> |__ Resource Name (E41 Appellation)
>>   |__ Language (E33 Linguistic Object)
>>  |__Language Type (E56 Language)
>>
>> "Resource Name" has the data type "string". For the "Language Type" I 
>> assign the data type "concept" and select the "language" collection from 
>> the *"*Reference Data Manager".
>>
>> Procedure:
>> Resource Model is added with names in corresponding languages.
>>
>> Expected output:
>> Searching for resource name defined in language A while having selected 
>> the locale A gives back the name in language A.
>>
>> Real output:
>> Searching for resource name defined in language A while having selected 
>> the locale A gives back the name in the language it was first created in.
>>
>> Does my approach make sense? What am I missing? Is there a better 
>> solution to achieve the described goal?
>>
>> Many thanks for your help,
>> Anjo
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[Arches] Re: register and present resource information in multiple languages

[Dennis Wuthrich]

Hi Anjo,

With 5.1, search does not automatically use the "location" language to 
return results.   We are currently thinking about extending multi-language 
support to search (and to string nodes) to better match your expected 
result.  There is a growing desire among Arches users to fully support 
multiple languages, and if this effort is funded we hope that users like 
you will share their use cases for working with multi-lingual data.

Cheers,
Dennis

On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 1:50:11 AM UTC-7 anjo.we...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> I would like to register and present resource information in multiple 
> languages using CIDOC-CRM and the improved support for localization 
> starting with Arches 5.1
>
> I built the model with the following structure:
>
> Resource Model (E18 Physical thing)
> |__ Resource Name (E41 Appellation)
>   |__ Language (E33 Linguistic Object)
>  |__Language Type (E56 Language)
>
> "Resource Name" has the data type "string". For the "Language Type" I 
> assign the data type "concept" and select the "language" collection from 
> the *"*Reference Data Manager".
>
> Procedure:
> Resource Model is added with names in corresponding languages.
>
> Expected output:
> Searching for resource name defined in language A while having selected 
> the locale A gives back the name in language A.
>
> Real output:
> Searching for resource name defined in language A while having selected 
> the locale A gives back the name in the language it was first created in.
>
> Does my approach make sense? What am I missing? Is there a better solution 
> to achieve the described goal?
>
> Many thanks for your help,
> Anjo
>
>
>
>

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