Re: [arin-ppml] [arin-discuss] Term Limit Proposal

2014-03-26 Thread Owen DeLong
Speaking only for myself as one of the often more controversial members of the AC, I will say that I have been pleasantly surprised each time I have been re-elected. While I do vote for myself when applicable, I only have the ability to cast 3 votes as I am the DMR for three organizations, all

Re: [arin-ppml] [arin-discuss] Term Limit Proposal

2014-03-26 Thread Jimmy Hess
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 6:05 PM, Scott Leibrand scottleibr...@gmail.comwrote: IMO the problem (for the AC, not the BoT) is that all turnover comes from resignations and people deciding not to run again. It's very rare that an incumbent fails to get re-elected. Given what I've observed as an

Re: [arin-ppml] [arin-discuss] Term Limit Proposal

2014-03-26 Thread Chris Grundemann
On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 7:05 AM, Scott Leibrand scottleibr...@gmail.comwrote: IMO the problem (for the AC, not the BoT) is that all turnover comes from resignations and people deciding not to run again. It's very rare that an incumbent fails to get re-elected. Given what I've observed as an

Re: [arin-ppml] [arin-discuss] Term Limit Proposal

2014-03-26 Thread Scott Leibrand
On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 3:12 AM, Chris Grundemann cgrundem...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 7:05 AM, Scott Leibrand scottleibr...@gmail.comwrote: IMO the problem (for the AC, not the BoT) is that all turnover comes from resignations and people deciding not to run again. It's very

Re: [arin-ppml] [arin-discuss] Term Limit Proposal

2014-03-26 Thread Azinger, Marla
Hi John Given the response I think an official proposal needs to be written. I'm happy to see the acceptance of a written proposal will be received for due process and not turned over to the recycling bin for not being a policy topic. I will try to get that turned in this week. Regards Marla

Re: [arin-ppml] [arin-discuss] Term Limit Proposal

2014-03-26 Thread Chris Grundemann
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 1:23 AM, Scott Leibrand scottleibr...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 3:12 AM, Chris Grundemann cgrundem...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 7:05 AM, Scott Leibrand scottleibr...@gmail.comwrote: IMO the problem (for the AC, not the BoT) is that all

Re: [arin-ppml] [arin-discuss] Term Limit Proposal

2014-03-26 Thread Bill Darte
Scott said: IMO the AC tends to be a little bit slow to incorporate new ideas and approaches. More new faces would help with that. We also tend a little bit toward becoming a social and travel club. I don't think that is a serious problem, yet, but I definitely worry about how many of us stay

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-9: Resolve Conflict Between RSA and 8.2 Utilization Requirements

2014-03-26 Thread David Huberman
Hello, In discussing opposition to 2014-9, and why audited needs-basis is still very much important, Owen laid out the following point in support of needs assessments in NRPM 8.2: 1. To raise the visibility when an 8.3 transfer is being attempted through structures designed to disguise it

Re: [arin-ppml] [arin-discuss] Term Limit Proposal

2014-03-26 Thread Jason Schiller
On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 1:23 PM, Scott Leibrand scottleibr...@gmail.com wrote: | Here are some of the problems I see with the AC. I think term limits would | help with all of them, though it wouldn't be a panacea, and it may be | possible to come up with better solutions to each one of them: I

Re: [arin-ppml] [arin-discuss] Term Limit Proposal

2014-03-26 Thread CJ Aronson
Could you explain why you're talking about Bill Darte's seat as if he is not on the AC serving a term to which he was duly elected? There is no prohibition about him running for a subsequent term at this point either. Bill has been an outstanding member of the AC and has done significant work for

Re: [arin-ppml] [arin-discuss] Term Limit Proposal

2014-03-26 Thread John Springer
Hi Jason, Pardon my ignorance please, but what is a 365 degree assessment.? A quick google turns up 365 degree total marketing and 360 degree assessments and 360 degree feedback. Is this like the Talking Heads 365 degrees? a typo? Also, Bill D. has been talked out of not running before. It

Re: [arin-ppml] [arin-discuss] Term Limit Proposal

2014-03-26 Thread CJ Aronson
It doesn't matter if he says he's not running again. If we generically want to make a seat appointed then fine but he has every right to change his mind and run again. Leave AC member's names out of it. Thanks Cathy On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 12:46 AM, Scott Leibrand

Re: [arin-ppml] [arin-discuss] Term Limit Proposal

2014-03-26 Thread Jason Schiller
The 360 degree review was Martin's suggestion. At the time it sounded like it mean a review for every angle (360 degrees in a circle). Bill Darte is an upstanding member of the AC, and I personally wish he would continue to serve, but it seemed pretty clear that his intent is to not continue.

Re: [arin-ppml] term limit proposal

2014-03-26 Thread Rudolph Daniel
/pipermail/arin-ppml/attachments/20140326/74038e92/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 11:58:58 -0700 (PDT) From: John Springer sprin...@inlandnet.com To: Scott Leibrand scottleibr...@gmail.com Cc: arin-disc...@arin.net arin-disc...@arin.net

Re: [arin-ppml] [arin-discuss] Term Limit Proposal

2014-03-26 Thread Martin Hannigan
On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 9:06 PM, Jason Schiller jschil...@google.comwrote: The 360 degree review was Martin's suggestion. At the time it sounded like it mean a review for every angle (360 degrees in a circle). You mean by adding in the ASO AC to the term limits requirement as well as the

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-12: Anti-hijack Policy

2014-03-26 Thread David Huberman
Hi PPML, Can someone show me where in the mailing list archives this policy was actively discussed on PPML? I can't find it. Alternatively, can the policy author or someone who strongly supports this policy please either post to the list or email me privately and clue me in? I issued and

Re: [arin-ppml] Term Limit Proposal

2014-03-26 Thread Richard J. Letts
I've seen that a new member has joined the ARIN AC each year. I have not heard concrete evidence that this proposal improves the policy making process I do not think this is a good idea. Richard Letts ___ PPML You are receiving this message because

Re: [arin-ppml] [arin-discuss] Term Limit Proposal

2014-03-26 Thread David Huberman
John Curran wrote: If mandatory terms limits are desired for the ARIN Board of Trustees or ARIN AC, it would be best to write up the specific suggestion and submit the ARIN consultation and suggestion process, as noted by John Springer. I will bring the proposal and results of the discussion

Re: [arin-ppml] [arin-discuss] Term Limit Proposal

2014-03-26 Thread John Curran
On Mar 27, 2014, at 1:01 PM, David Huberman david.huber...@microsoft.com wrote: I apologize if I sound combative, but I strongly dislike this suggestion. David - I noted it as an option because it is the mailing list documented for that purpose in the suggestion process. John,