Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN 2014-13

2014-07-17 Thread Owen DeLong
Member of the AC hat on (though not speaking on behalf of the AC): If this proposal gains traction and 2014-13 is adopted, the AC and the community can make the necessary adjustments to it in light of 2014-13 if 2014-13 is adopted. Changing 2014-13 so substantially at this time would only

Re: [arin-ppml] Minimum Allocation

2014-07-17 Thread Owen DeLong
To clarify: Details here: https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2014_13.html 2014-13 is a Recommended Draft Policy which was brought for Adoption Discussion at the PPC at NANOG Seattle. The AC put it to Last Call in their June meeting and that last call ended two days ago on July 15th. The

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-17: Change Utilization Requirements from last-allocation to total-aggregate - revised

2014-07-17 Thread Michael Peddemors
On 14-07-17 03:56 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: Do you have suggestions on how this issue could be addressed without making it overly difficult to qualify for address space in general? No, I am putting thought into it, but no magic bullets yet.. just think this isn't the one.. With

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-17: Change Utilization Requirements from last-allocation to total-aggregate - revised

2014-07-17 Thread Mike Burns
I think it will have exactly the opposite effect, actually. I think it lowers the barrier for smaller entities and new entrants while keeping roughly the same effective requirements for larger incumbents. Maybe if you can show how the barriers are reduced for smaller entities and new

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-17: Change UtilizationRequirements from last-allocation to total-aggregate - revised

2014-07-17 Thread Steven Ryerse
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Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-17: Change Utilization Requirements from last-allocation to total-aggregate - revised

2014-07-17 Thread Gary Buhrmaster
On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 3:35 PM, Mike Burns m...@iptrading.com wrote: Others have noted we are rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic with these IPv4 policy issues. Maybe it is time to metaphorically sweep those chairs into the sea so we can move on. Perhaps that is an interesting

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN 2014-13

2014-07-17 Thread Owen DeLong
Point is that the current proposal which just concluded last call definitely gets it better than the current circumstance. If the community decides to develop your proposal, we can always add the pieces needed to integrate it. In short, we can get 2014-13 right and right now, and we can, if

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-17: Change Utilization Requirements from last-allocation to total-aggregate - revised

2014-07-17 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jul 17, 2014, at 08:35 , Mike Burns m...@iptrading.com wrote: I think it will have exactly the opposite effect, actually. I think it lowers the barrier for smaller entities and new entrants while keeping roughly the same effective requirements for larger incumbents. Maybe if you can

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-17: Change Utilization Requirements from last-allocation to total-aggregate - revised

2014-07-17 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jul 17, 2014, at 09:28 , Gary Buhrmaster gary.buhrmas...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 3:35 PM, Mike Burns m...@iptrading.com wrote: Others have noted we are rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic with these IPv4 policy issues. Maybe it is time to metaphorically sweep