Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal Idea: Reassignment records for IPv4 End-Users

2015-07-14 Thread Gary T. Giesen
Andrew, Is it your intention to create a single class of users (ie. no more End-User vs ISP), or maintain the distinction? I'd like to see end-users be able to SWIP, but I'd don't want to see their costs increase because of it. Also, ISPs will argue if end-users can SWIP (which is probably the

Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal Idea: Reassignment records for IPv4 End-Users

2015-07-14 Thread Bill Buhler
As a IPv4 end user I can understand why some would want this ability, but we have no desire to do such. What if instead policy would allow end users to either elect to be treated as a ISP, or pay a fee to have access to SWIP? This would be similar to how voting rights are allocated now. BTW

Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal Idea: Reassignment records for IPv4 End-Users

2015-07-14 Thread Jon Lewis
On Mon, 13 Jul 2015, Andrew Dul wrote: Template: ARIN-POLICY-PROPOSAL-TEMPLATE-3.0 1.Policy Proposal Name: Reassignment records for IPv4 End-Users 4.Problem Statement: End-User Organizations do not have the ability to create reassignment records in the number resource database.

Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal Idea: Reassignment records for IPv4 End-Users

2015-07-14 Thread Mike Burns
I wonder if SWIPped addresses would be a sufficient display of utilization, or would ARIN need to investigate the SWIPped blocks more deeply to ensure utilization ratio of the parent end-user, if that end-user comes to ARIN looking to buy addresses and has to justify their purchase?

Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal Idea: Reassignment records for IPv4 End-Users

2015-07-14 Thread William Herrin
On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Andrew Dul andrew@quark.net wrote: End-user organizations which have an active registration services agreement shall be permitted to create reassignment records in the number resource database. Organizations shall use the guidelines outlined in section

Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal Idea: Reassignment records for IPv4 End-Users

2015-07-14 Thread Andrew Dul
The intention is to allow for end-users to be able to add reassignment records to the database. As noted in the policy proposal, this idea has an impact of the fee categories, because the ability to add reassignment records traditionally has been one of the differences between ISPs and end-users.

Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal Idea: Reassignment records for IPv4 End-Users

2015-07-14 Thread Michael Peddemors
Well, this proposal scares me.. Similar to what is alluded to below, ARIN has a hard enough time getting the ISP's to properly SWIP usage.. And allowing end users to SWIP might even set the stage for more abuse. I could see spammers changing the SWIP daily to their advantage.. (oh, that was

Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal Idea: Reassignment records for IPv4 End-Users

2015-07-14 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jul 14, 2015, at 13:00, Adam Thompson athom...@athompso.net wrote: ... parents own a controlling share language would cause me to argue against it. There are other entities using /28s inside my /24 that I'd like to SWIP just to avoid the abuse@ notifications (one of them has