Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-2: Waiting List Block Size Restriction

2019-02-26 Thread Joe Provo
On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 10:33:45PM -0800, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > > In message , > John Curran wrote: > > >If you wish complete transparency regarding fraudulent requests, that can > >be accommodated, but first requires the community to come to consensus that > >requests for number

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-2: Waiting List Block Size Restriction

2019-02-26 Thread Michael Williams
I appreciate the humour and agree with your statements but could we keep the political commentary to a minimum? Your messages would have the same affect. Sent from my iPhone > On 27 Feb 2019, at 01:53, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > > > In message , > Robert Clarke wrote: > >> My proposal is

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-2: Waiting List Block Size Restriction

2019-02-26 Thread CubeMotion Robert
I agree it’s the endgame, stops all abuse. In regards to what can be done with the money, there are a lot of creative solutions that I’m sure the community can come up with. Better in the hands of ARIN rather than fraudsters though. Robert Clarke CubeMotion LLC rob...@cubemotion.com M: +1

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-2: Waiting List Block Size Restriction

2019-02-26 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message , Robert Clarke wrote: >My proposal is that ARIN auctions off all available IPv4 ranges reserved >for allocations under 4.2 policy and pockets the proceeds. This was always and inevitably going to be the end game anyway... a true and unfettered free market, where money talks and

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-2: Waiting List Block Size Restriction

2019-02-26 Thread CubeMotion Robert
Unfortunately that doesn’t solve any problems Michael. It would encourage “off-ARIN” transfers more heavily and still lead to sales if a bit more informal. Not only does this cause logistical problems for those with legitimate M transactions but would still lead to fraudsters abusing the

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-2: Waiting List Block Size Restriction

2019-02-26 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message , John Curran wrote: >If you wish complete transparency regarding fraudulent requests, that can >be accommodated, but first requires the community to come to consensus that >requests for number resource activities (issuance/transfers/updates) should >be made publicly. To my

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-2: Waiting List Block Size Restriction

2019-02-26 Thread Michael Williams
Easy. Eliminate transfers. If you obtain a block you use it yourself or it goes back to ARIN for redistribution. Seems easy enough to me. We’ve been waiting years to get any available IP address as we have an immediate need. I’m actually not sure why we even allow for private transfers of blocks

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-2: Waiting List Block Size Restriction

2019-02-26 Thread John Curran
On 26 Feb 2019, at 9:06 PM, Kevin Blumberg mailto:kev...@thewire.ca>> wrote: The problem statement is pretty damning in the abuse described. The BoT minutes while mentioning misuse and abuse was void of the information described by the policy author. While I would like to take the problem

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-2: Waiting List Block Size Restriction

2019-02-26 Thread John Curran
On 26 Feb 2019, at 5:51 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > ... > I see rampant abuse of the Internet, day in and day out, every bit of which > involves number resources, said resources having been obtained, by hook or > by crook, and virtually all of this online evil that I see is the proverbial >

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-2: Waiting List Block Size Restriction

2019-02-26 Thread Kevin Blumberg
The problem statement is pretty damning in the abuse described. The BoT minutes while mentioning misuse and abuse was void of the information described by the policy author. While I would like to take the problem statement at face value, it would be helpful, based on the current discussion, to

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-2: Waiting List Block Size Restriction

2019-02-26 Thread Michael Williams
Concur with these statements. If resource issuance is going to be suspended there should be documented evidence presented to the community. Asking for a solution without truly explaining or illustrating the problem may yield fruitless or less than desirable results. Michael Williams Glexia, Inc.

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-2: Waiting List Block Size Restriction

2019-02-26 Thread Robert Clarke
I agree with Ronald’s comments here. It is a disservice to the community to cite abuse in previous waiting list requests and not publicize said abuse for scrutiny. Best Regards, Robert Clarke CubeMotion LLC rob...@cubemotion.com M: +1 (844) 244-8140 ex. 512 300 Lenora Street #454, Seattle, WA,

[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-2: Waiting List Block Size Restriction

2019-02-26 Thread ARIN
On 21 February 2019, the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) accepted "ARIN-prop-261: Waiting List Block Size Restriction" as a Draft Policy. Draft Policy ARIN-2019-2 is below and can be found at: https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2019_2.html You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on

[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-1: Clarify Section 4 IPv4 Request Requirements

2019-02-26 Thread ARIN
On 21 February 2019, the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) accepted "ARIN-prop-260: Clarify Section 4 IPv4 Request Requirements" as a Draft Policy. Draft Policy ARIN-2019-1 is below and can be found at: https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2019_1.html You are encouraged to discuss all Draft

[arin-ppml] Revised - Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2018-2: Clarification to ISP Initial Allocation

2019-02-26 Thread ARIN
The following has been revised: * Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2018-2: Clarification to ISP Initial Allocation Revised text is below and can be found at: https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2018_2.html You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC will evaluate the

[arin-ppml] Revised - Draft Policy ARIN-2017-12: POC Notification and Validation Upon Reassignment or Reallocation

2019-02-26 Thread ARIN
The following has been revised: * Draft Policy ARIN-2017-12: POC Notification and Validation Upon Reassignment or Reallocation Revised text is below and can be found at: https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2017_12.html You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC will

[arin-ppml] Advisory Council Meeting Results - February 2019

2019-02-26 Thread ARIN
In accordance with the Policy Development Process, the Advisory Council met on 21 February 2019. The AC has advanced the following Proposals to Draft Policy Status (each will be posted separately for discussion): * ARIN-prop-260: Clarify Section 4 IPv4 Request Requirements * ARIN-prop-261: