Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-10: Inter-RIR M

2019-06-18 Thread Job Snijders
On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 20:30 Joe Provo wrote: > On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 07:46:42PM +0200, Job Snijders wrote: > > On > > Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 18:53 wrote: > [snip] > > There may be other reasons than ???shortage??? to administratively move > > resources. Have you considered that others may

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-10: Inter-RIR M

2019-06-18 Thread Job Snijders
On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 20:21 Fernando Frediani wrote: > Well, I can't see how allowing IPv6 transfers or not can be compared to a > 'feature' and discourage people to adopt it or not. If they do this based > on this premise it is much worse for them than for the rest of the > internet. And

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-10: Inter-RIR M

2019-06-18 Thread Joe Provo
On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 07:46:42PM +0200, Job Snijders wrote: > On > Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 18:53 wrote: [snip] > There may be other reasons than ???shortage??? to administratively move > resources. Have you considered that others may have other priorities and > that there may be no clear downside

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-10: Inter-RIR M

2019-06-18 Thread Fernando Frediani
Well, I can't see how allowing IPv6 transfers or not can be compared to a 'feature' and discourage people to adopt it or not. If they do this based on this premise it is much worse for them than for the rest of the internet. And going beyond as it is normally discussed in these policy lists it

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-10: Inter-RIR M vs. ARIN-2019-4: Allow Inter-regional IPv6 Resource Transfers

2019-06-18 Thread David Farmer
I would like to add to Chris' questions; Do you prefer Draft Policy ARIN-2019-10 or Draft Policy ARIN-2019-4: Allow Inter-regional IPv6 Resource Transfers to move forward? Or, is there a need for both Draft Policy's to continue forward? Is there some part of one or the other that should be

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-10: Inter-RIR M

2019-06-18 Thread Job Snijders
On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 18:53 wrote: > The main problem I see is that this policy for the first time will open > the door up to IPv6 transfers. I do not agree with IPv6 transfers. > > Up to this point, the primary reason why we allow transfers of IPv4 and 16 > bit ASN numbers is the shortage

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-10: Inter-RIR M

2019-06-18 Thread Fernando Frediani
Well said ! On 18/06/2019 13:53, hostmas...@uneedus.com wrote: The main problem I see is that this policy for the first time will open the door up to IPv6 transfers.  I do not agree with IPv6 transfers. Me either Up to this point, the primary reason why we allow transfers of IPv4 and 16 bit

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-10: Inter-RIR M

2019-06-18 Thread David R Huberman
Hello, 3. Is there any potential deleterious impact should this language be adopted into the NRPM? I speak neither for or against this draft policy. I would like to note that the delegation of ip6.arpa zones are currently cleanly delineated. In the simple and current example, each RIR is

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-10: Inter-RIR M

2019-06-18 Thread Scott Leibrand
Yes, yes, yes, and yes. This sort of flexibility would be useful and helpful for multinationals that want to consolidate RIR accounts after acquisitions. It would probably also provide a way to bypass ARIN policy, so we should think carefully about whether all resources (such as waiting list

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-10: Inter-RIR M

2019-06-18 Thread hostmaster
The main problem I see is that this policy for the first time will open the door up to IPv6 transfers. I do not agree with IPv6 transfers. Up to this point, the primary reason why we allow transfers of IPv4 and 16 bit ASN numbers is the shortage of these resources. In the case of IPv6

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-10: Inter-RIR M

2019-06-18 Thread Chris Woodfield
Hello PPML, The Advisory Council is seeking statements of support or opposition to the below draft policy, which so far have not been seen on PPML. I’d advise the community to consider the following questions: 1. Is the problem statement a valid and/or likely occurrence that would require a