Go back and read John's comments again.
He did say heirs/successors had rights in probate.
I asked him to repeat that and he did.
- Original Message -
From: "Mark Andrews"
To: "Ted Mittelstaedt"
Cc: "arin-ppml"
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2022 9:05:25 PM
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Deceased
I suspect so but it would require a grace period before being added. That said
one would need to ask who will use the feed. It’s been many years since I’ve
configured a router.
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Mark Andrews
> On 7 Aug 2022, at 09:15, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>
> I love the sentiment but smaller ISP's
In message <9f1deed6-7de7-aaff-33ff-8b71f4fcb...@dilkie.com>,
Lee Dilkie wrote:
>The legacy blocks were created and in existence before ARIN took responsibility
>of them and while ARIN could simply take them all back, with no regard for
>history, it smacks of "colonialism" to me. You know,
I disagree that this is a straw man argument!
1) If the US Congress passes a law to change the status quo of ARIN's authority
over Legacy resources, you can say on this list that Congress does not have
that authority, but they funded the Internet - and every judge in America would
try to
In message <651e83ae-3cb5-c5ff-5601-07ffefd44...@ipinc.net>,
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>It is likely that what the community does with regards to the legacy
>blocks will have an effect on the "deceased company" issue but the
>simple reality with registered blocks, which John has tried to get
In message <651e83ae-3cb5-c5ff-5601-07ffefd44...@ipinc.net>,
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>ARIN is the only RIR that has legacy blocks...
As Mike Burns noted, and as I can confirm, this is not actually accurate.
Regards,
rfg
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You are
I love the sentiment but smaller ISP's may not have routers with the
horsepower for extensive filters.
Let me ask you this, Mark:
Would it be of value if ARIN maintained a list of networks of entities
that fail to keep their POC's current? In a format that would be easy
to write a script to
ERX: Early Registration Transfers mostly happened a long time ago or
shortly after LACNIC and AFRINIC were created. See the following;
https://www.arin.net/vault/participate/meetings/reports/ARIN_X/PDF/erx.pdf
On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 17:24 Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> Once more, nobody cares
And if you feel like it you can filter all announcements for those entities
that fail to keep their POCs current. If enough do that then there will be back
pressure to cause the entity to rectify the situation if they are using the
addresses publically. Also the addresses can’t be used by
I know you didn't Ted. I was just pointing out the parallels in
history and how people with power and really good intentions can end
up misusing it to the detriment of those that came first.
-lee
On 2022-08-06 16:10, Ted Mittelstaedt
wrote:
1) The US Congress does not have any control over the Internet so they
can't do squat about this.
2) You are constantly using "take back" in a way that implies these 800
pound gorillas are a) in existence b) actively using the blocks so
that anyone at the 800 pound gorilla would care
Once more, nobody cares about those because they are _in use_.
Interesting that there's a handful of legacy space in other RIRs. I
hadn't thought about transfers. However I don't believe transfers
can happen unless they sign an LSRA so they are "in the system" at that
point.
Ted
On
Just a point of clarification.
ARIN is not the only RIR with legacy blocks.Check ARIN ERX Transfers.Every RIR
has them, and has similar policies regarding them.There are some significant
differences related to transfers of legacy space.
Regards,Mike
--- Original Message ---
>From
The many posts to the PPML reflect your desire to somehow reclaim Legacy IPv4
space that isn't being used or space that might have been acquired in a way
that is deemed unethical or possibly worse. As you may know, these subjects
have been discussed many many times ad nauseum in this PPML
Nobody not even me is suggesting that. What I am saying is that the
ARIN community has that power.
Ted
On 8/6/2022 11:25 AM, Lee Dilkie wrote:
The legacy blocks were created and in existence before ARIN took
responsibility of them and while ARIN could simply take them all back,
with no
The legacy blocks were created and in
existence before ARIN took responsibility of them and while ARIN
could simply take them all back, with no regard for history, it
smacks of "colonialism" to me. You know, where the enlightened
civilized folks take property
That is correct which is why John has repeatedly stated that action on
these needs to originate with the community. Essentially the RIR
system's legal support and basis for power is the same as the United
Nations various subcommittees such as WIPO - general consensus among
members.
ARIN is
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