Re: [arin-ppml] Tenfold fee increases?

2023-06-04 Thread Matt Harris
On Sat, Jun 3, 2023 at 7:37 PM Fernando Frediani wrote: > If there are not enough incentives already let's create more then. We, as > a community in a bottom up process as responsible for creating them based > on what is right and fair to most people. > > Use the excuse that the broker market is

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN Trusted Facilitator Program and Certification Requirements (Re: Tenfold fee increases?)

2023-06-04 Thread John Curran
Michel - That might help for transfers that are completed, but does nothing about facilitators that aren’t really qualified and never manage to get a transfer completed – despite representations of their purported capabilities to do so. To the extent that you wish some form of public reporting

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN Trusted Facilitator Program and Certification Requirements (Re: Tenfold fee increases?)

2023-06-04 Thread Michel Py via ARIN-PPML
> John Curran wrote : > [..] one with a lower probability that those selecting a facilitator from the > list will end up dissatisfied. A good start would be to make the process transparent : for each transaction, have all of the details made public : the block size, the price, and the fees

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN Trusted Facilitator Program and Certification Requirements (Re: Tenfold fee increases?)

2023-06-04 Thread John Curran
Mike - It’s still a simple service for the community, but now hopefully one with a lower probability that those selecting a facilitator from the list will end up dissatisfied. Thanks, /John John Curran President and CEO American Registry for Internet Numbers On Jun 4, 2023, at 1:35 PM, Mike

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN Trusted Facilitator Program and Certification Requirements (Re: Tenfold fee increases?)

2023-06-04 Thread Mike Burns
Hi John, Not an argument, I just think it was a Freudian slip that revealed the underlying purpose of the entire exercise-creating a list of “trusted” brokers. Why even “qualify” brokers? Why does ARIN feel the need to take a step that no other registry has felt the need to take. Every RIR

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN Trusted Facilitator Program and Certification Requirements (Re: Tenfold fee increases?)

2023-06-04 Thread John Curran
Mike - One can argue about the optimum terminology to use in the program title, but what is most important aspect of ARIN’s liability is that the qualifications are clear and uniformed applied - customers need to be able to know and trust the level of vetting that ARIN does/does not apply to

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN Trusted Facilitator Program and Certification Requirements (Re: Tenfold fee increases?)

2023-06-04 Thread Mike Burns
One more thing John…. You keep referring to his as the “Trusted” Facilitator program, not Qualified. Why does ARIN feel to the need to create a trusted list, doesn’t that open ARIN to even more liability exposure? Regards, Mike From: ARIN-PPML On Behalf Of John Curran Sent: Sunday,

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN Trusted Facilitator Program and Certification Requirements (Re: Tenfold fee increases?)

2023-06-04 Thread Mike Burns
Thanks John. Why are foreign facilitators banned? I am concerned about a tit-for-tat response. This is a global market supported by inter-regional policies. If it’s just to make facilitators easier to sue, I think things are getting paranoid/ridiculous. Regards, Mike From:

[arin-ppml] ARIN Trusted Facilitator Program and Certification Requirements (Re: Tenfold fee increases?)

2023-06-04 Thread John Curran
Folks - I’d like to briefly address some of issues that have arisen in this thread about the forthcoming ARIN Trusted Facilitator Program and its associated fee change. First, in terms of discussing this topic on ppml, this is probably the best course of action today – despite the long-term