Re: [arin-ppml] 2014-3 Remove 8.2/8.3/8.4 Minimum IPv4 Block Size Requirements

2014-03-21 Thread David Conrad
John, On Mar 19, 2014, at 11:47 AM, John Curran jcur...@arin.net wrote: Also, I believe ARIN is the wrong place for such constraints. I believe operators should make the decision on such matters I also believe that operators should set such constraints (if desired), They do. It's called

[arin-ppml] 2014-3 Remove 8.2/8.3/8.4 Minimum IPv4 Block Size Requirements

2014-03-19 Thread Owen DeLong
There has not been a lot of feedback on this proposal. It would be nice to have more input from a broader cross-section of the community. At present, I am leaning towards recommending that we abandon this proposal for lack of support by the community. If you support this action, please speak

Re: [arin-ppml] 2014-3 Remove 8.2/8.3/8.4 Minimum IPv4 Block Size Requirements

2014-03-19 Thread Martin Hannigan
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 1:27 PM, David Huberman david.huber...@microsoft.com wrote: Hello, As the author, I proposed this policy because it is not ARIN's role to artificially regulate minimum block sizes. I feel this is especially in a post-exhaustion world, which is very quickly coming.

Re: [arin-ppml] 2014-3 Remove 8.2/8.3/8.4 Minimum IPv4 Block Size Requirements

2014-03-19 Thread David Huberman
) -Original Message- From: arin-ppml-boun...@arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-boun...@arin.net] On Behalf Of Owen DeLong Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 9:18 AM To: ARIN-PPML List Subject: [arin-ppml] 2014-3 Remove 8.2/8.3/8.4 Minimum IPv4 Block Size Requirements There has not been a lot of feedback

Re: [arin-ppml] 2014-3 Remove 8.2/8.3/8.4 Minimum IPv4 Block Size Requirements

2014-03-19 Thread David Huberman
Leibrand [mailto:scottleibr...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:00 AM To: David Huberman Cc: ARIN-PPML List Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] 2014-3 Remove 8.2/8.3/8.4 Minimum IPv4 Block Size Requirements I am not speaking in favor of the status quo (a /24 minimum transfer size). However, IMO having

Re: [arin-ppml] 2014-3 Remove 8.2/8.3/8.4 Minimum IPv4 Block Size Requirements

2014-03-19 Thread Scott Leibrand
[mailto:scottleibr...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:00 AM *To:* David Huberman *Cc:* ARIN-PPML List *Subject:* Re: [arin-ppml] 2014-3 Remove 8.2/8.3/8.4 Minimum IPv4 Block Size Requirements I am not speaking in favor of the status quo (a /24 minimum transfer size). However

Re: [arin-ppml] 2014-3 Remove 8.2/8.3/8.4 Minimum IPv4 Block Size Requirements

2014-03-19 Thread David Huberman
But regardless of the legal piece, I see no upside, and quite a bit of downside, to allowing IPv4 /32 transfers. Please articulate the quite a bit of downside. If we ignore the legal piece of your argument, as you said to, what are the problems with /32 transfers to the technical operations

Re: [arin-ppml] 2014-3 Remove 8.2/8.3/8.4 Minimum IPv4 Block Size Requirements

2014-03-19 Thread John Curran
On Mar 19, 2014, at 7:22 PM, Scott Leibrand scottleibr...@gmail.com wrote: I'm thinking about things like a lawsuit where the plaintiff gets awarded all of the defendant's assets in question, and the plaintiff then asks ARIN to transfer the IPv4 defendant's /32 to them. When that has

Re: [arin-ppml] 2014-3 Remove 8.2/8.3/8.4 Minimum IPv4 Block Size Requirements

2014-03-19 Thread Jimmy Hess
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: There has not been a lot of feedback on this proposal. It would be nice to have more input from a broader cross-section of the community. At present, I am leaning towards recommending that we abandon this proposal for lack

Re: [arin-ppml] 2014-3 Remove 8.2/8.3/8.4 Minimum IPv4 Block Size Requirements

2014-03-19 Thread Scott Leibrand
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 11:34 AM, David Huberman david.huber...@microsoft.com wrote: But regardless of the legal piece, I see no upside, and quite a bit of downside, to allowing IPv4 /32 transfers. Please articulate the quite a bit of downside. If we ignore the legal piece of your

Re: [arin-ppml] 2014-3 Remove 8.2/8.3/8.4 Minimum IPv4 Block Size Requirements

2014-03-19 Thread Michael Peddemors
(GFS) *From:*Scott Leibrand [mailto:scottleibr...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:00 AM *To:* David Huberman *Cc:* ARIN-PPML List *Subject:* Re: [arin-ppml] 2014-3 Remove 8.2/8.3/8.4 Minimum IPv4 Block Size Requirements I am not speaking in favor of the status quo (a /24 minimum

Re: [arin-ppml] 2014-3 Remove 8.2/8.3/8.4 Minimum IPv4 Block Size Requirements

2014-03-19 Thread David Huberman
Manager (GFS) From: Scott Leibrand [mailto:scottleibr...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:52 AM To: David Huberman Cc: ARIN-PPML List Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] 2014-3 Remove 8.2/8.3/8.4 Minimum IPv4 Block Size Requirements On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 11:34 AM, David Huberman david.huber