[arin-ppml] ARIN Draft Policy 2014-2 Improving 8.4 Anti-Flip Language

2014-05-05 Thread Bill Darte
Should we abandon this Draft? After the Chicago Public Policy Meeting, based upon the community's suggestion that the AC continue to work on this Draft. I sent an email to PPML asking for support or opposition to this Draft and received just 2 responsesboth in opposition. I reiterate that

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN Draft Policy 2014-2 Improving 8.4 Anti-Flip Language

2014-05-05 Thread David Huberman
IT/OPS Program Manager (GFS) From: arin-ppml-boun...@arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-boun...@arin.net] On Behalf Of Bill Darte Sent: Monday, May 5, 2014 12:15 PM To: arin-ppml@arin.net Subject: [arin-ppml] ARIN Draft Policy 2014-2 Improving 8.4 Anti-Flip Language Should we abandon this Draft? After

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN Draft Policy 2014-2 Improving 8.4 Anti-Flip Language

2014-05-05 Thread William Herrin
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:32 PM, David Huberman david.huber...@microsoft.com wrote: At the end of discussion, the moderator asked for the following straw poll (remote participants were invited to participate). Poll results were provided to the Advisory Council for use in its deliberations.

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN Draft Policy 2014-2 Improving 8.4 Anti-Flip Language

2014-05-05 Thread Michael Peddemors
On 14-05-05 01:00 PM, Bill Darte wrote: 1. Yes or No. Should the community relax existing policy which attempts to limit the transfer of ARIN resources out of region, in order to allow an organization flexibility to move address blocks to another portion of their own organization in another

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN Draft Policy 2014-2 Improving 8.4 Anti-Flip Language

2014-05-05 Thread David Huberman
Bill Herrin wrote: What do you suggest as the next step? [snip] From my point of view, the original language works as desired. Are you sure? I typed out an entire simplistic gaming technique so that speculators and flippers can easily achieve their goals in the existing language. I

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN Draft Policy 2014-2 Improving 8.4 Anti-Flip Language

2014-05-05 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Mon, May 05, 2014 at 09:12:50PM +, David Huberman wrote: What do I suggest? I suggest we scrap the section altogether, as it affords the community no meaningful protection against those who wish to game it, and it impedes proper administration for global network operators. FWIW,

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN Draft Policy 2014-2 Improving 8.4 Anti-Flip Language

2014-05-05 Thread William Herrin
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 5:48 PM, Scott Leibrand scottleibr...@gmail.com wrote: Bill Herrin makes a good point: many of the ideas we've been discussing in the context of 2014-2 are really a more general relaxation of transfer policies, and probably should be considered separately. However, I

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN Draft Policy 2014-2 Improving 8.4 Anti-Flip Language

2014-05-05 Thread sandrabrown
I support the policy in that it helps companies in the region and I do not see any harm to any entities in the region. The problem David Huberman is trying to solve is that there are IP's being used out of region, and we all know out of region use has lots of geo-location issues, and for some

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN Draft Policy 2014-2 Improving 8.4 Anti-Flip Language

2014-05-05 Thread Matthew Petach
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 4:23 PM, sandrabr...@ipv4marketgroup.com wrote: [...] The only thing we don't know is whether this is a one-off problem, or whether other companies have the same issue. I would think other companies have the same problem but are not commenting. I suspect the people

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN Draft Policy 2014-2 Improving 8.4 Anti-Flip Language

2014-05-05 Thread Martin Hannigan
Abandon. As David Huberman pointed out, easy to game and doesn't solve the real problem with efficient use of resources where we need them, whether its complying with policies like the German privacy laws or embarking upon legal and efficient financial strategies that are in compliance with the

[arin-ppml] ARIN Draft Policy 2014-2 Improving 8.4 Anti-Flip Language

2014-02-21 Thread Bill Darte
At the Advisory Council's meeting of Feb 20, discussion about Draft Policy 2014-2 concluded that there is a real issue with transfer restrictions of address blocks between RIR jurisdictions for organizations having received a different block of addresses from ARIN within the last 12 months (per