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2014-06-09 Thread Mike Burns
Hi Owen, Thanks for your reply. Fears of hoarding and speculation don't apply to 2014-14, unless you think that ARIN staff would be unable to discern a series of spun-up holding corps with hidden ownership. In any case, our different perspectives of the risks involved are not applicable to

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2014-06-09 Thread Michael Peddemors
On 14-06-09 11:36 AM, Mike Burns wrote: unless you think that ARIN staff would be unable to discern a series of spun-up holding corps with hidden ownership. We do see what appears to be that now (or at least engineering of whois records to make it seem like they are different companies) in

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2014-06-09 Thread John Curran
On Jun 9, 2014, at 2:36 PM, Mike Burns m...@iptrading.com wrote: What's more, like ARIN's previous CEO and unlike ARIN's current CEO, RIPE never took the position that RIPE policy applies to legacy space. Mike - Your statement is factually incorrect in multiple ways; you probably are unaware

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2014-06-09 Thread John Curran
On Jun 9, 2014, at 2:53 PM, Michael Peddemors mich...@linuxmagic.com wrote: On 14-06-09 11:36 AM, Mike Burns wrote: unless you think that ARIN staff would be unable to discern a series of spun-up holding corps with hidden ownership. We do see what appears to be that now (or at least

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2014-06-09 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jun 9, 2014, at 11:36 , Mike Burns m...@iptrading.com wrote: Hi Owen, Thanks for your reply. Fears of hoarding and speculation don't apply to 2014-14, unless you think that ARIN staff would be unable to discern a series of spun-up holding corps with hidden ownership. In any case, our