Re: [arin-ppml] Access to list of Number Resources with no valid POCs

2014-08-24 Thread John Curran
On Aug 24, 2014, at 6:34 PM, Matthew Petach mpet...@netflight.commailto:mpet...@netflight.com wrote: 1) If the information above is correct, please confirm by visiting: https://www.arin.net/public/pocValidation.xhtml?validationCode=XXX Alternatively, you may confirm by replying to this

Re: [arin-ppml] Access to list of Number Resources with no valid POCs (was: Re: POC Validation ...)

2014-08-20 Thread Breeden, James W.
+1 I disagree; I think this is well within the purview of ARIN's mandate to restrict access to records for non-compliant networks. Matt +1 From: arin-ppml-boun...@arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-boun...@arin.net] On Behalf Of Matthew Petach Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 11:40 PM Cc:

Re: [arin-ppml] Access to list of Number Resources with no valid POCs

2014-08-20 Thread Martin Hannigan
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt t...@ipinc.net wrote: Martin, i was one of the original people involved in creating this policy and the requirement to sign a bulk whois was a compromise between the people like me who wanted full disclosure with no strings attached and the

Re: [arin-ppml] Access to list of Number Resources with no valid POCs

2014-08-20 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
On 8/19/2014 6:17 PM, John Curran wrote: On Aug 19, 2014, at 4:33 PM, Ted Mittelstaedtt...@ipinc.net wrote: ... There is one issue that Martin didn't mention that might be the cause of the POC validation issues. To put it as simply as I can, the emails that ARIN sends out for POC

Re: [arin-ppml] Access to list of Number Resources with no valid POCs

2014-08-20 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
On 8/20/2014 4:10 AM, Martin Hannigan wrote: On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt t...@ipinc.net mailto:t...@ipinc.net wrote: Martin, i was one of the original people involved in creating this policy and the requirement to sign a bulk whois was a compromise

Re: [arin-ppml] Access to list of Number Resources with no valid POCs

2014-08-20 Thread John Curran
On Aug 20, 2014, at 7:10 AM, Martin Hannigan hanni...@gmail.com wrote: It's that, but if ARIN is going to block someone from maintaining their address it would be operationally sound to send the associated POC an email letting them know. Second, the application. Are the lockouts automated?

Re: [arin-ppml] Access to list of Number Resources with no valid POCs

2014-08-20 Thread John Curran
On Aug 20, 2014, at 12:24 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt t...@ipinc.net wrote: Hi John, Embedded URLs are not really the problem - the problem is MIME-encoded email and HTML-encoded email that have the embedded URLs. If you are sending clickable URLs out in pure ASCII (text) emails then there

Re: [arin-ppml] Access to list of Number Resources with no valid POCs

2014-08-20 Thread Martin Hannigan
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 1:54 PM, John Curran jcur...@arin.net wrote: On Aug 20, 2014, at 7:10 AM, Martin Hannigan hanni...@gmail.com wrote: [ clip ] I will see if we can make more explanatory information about this available online, but in the meantime if you have an issue please

Re: [arin-ppml] Access to list of Number Resources with no valid POCs

2014-08-20 Thread Leif Sawyer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 John - I think that PGP signing all outgoing email is a great step at providing a level of authentication and validation for non-secure-channel communications. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1

Re: [arin-ppml] Access to list of Number Resources with no valid POCs

2014-08-20 Thread David Farmer
On 8/20/14, 13:08 , John Curran wrote: On Aug 20, 2014, at 12:24 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt t...@ipinc.net wrote: Hi John, Embedded URLs are not really the problem - the problem is MIME-encoded email and HTML-encoded email that have the embedded URLs. ... Ted - Point taken (and I am a huge

Re: [arin-ppml] Access to list of Number Resources with no valid POCs

2014-08-20 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
I looked at the last one of these I got (that I saved) and it was indeed text - but I could have sworn I got something from ARIN recently with HTML mail that had an embedded URL. It might not have been a POC validation but something else. And of course I can't find the dang email right now.

Re: [arin-ppml] Access to list of Number Resources with no valid POCs

2014-08-20 Thread John Curran
On Aug 20, 2014, at 2:08 PM, Martin Hannigan hanni...@gmail.commailto:hanni...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 1:54 PM, John Curran jcur...@arin.netmailto:jcur...@arin.net wrote: I will see if we can make more explanatory information about this available online, but in the

Re: [arin-ppml] Access to list of Number Resources with no valid POCs (was: Re: POC Validation ...)

2014-08-19 Thread John Curran
On Aug 18, 2014, at 10:17 PM, Martin Hannigan hanni...@gmail.com wrote: John, You skipped the important bits. Martin - My apologies - you also noted: Would have been nice to for the system to generate a warning to an associated admin POC that ARIN was going to cripple a networks

Re: [arin-ppml] Access to list of Number Resources with no valid POCs (was: Re: POC Validation ...)

2014-08-18 Thread Martin Hannigan
John, The policy proposal in the archive initially stated that it should be brought to the attention of the community and didn't imply roadblocks. I forget how the whois requirement was inserted and I don't really care since the issue is policy, but if I recall correctly that whois document

Re: [arin-ppml] Access to list of Number Resources with no valid POCs

2014-08-18 Thread Michael Peddemors
On 14-08-18 04:25 PM, John Curran wrote: Changing the policy language to drop the bulk whois requirement would be a relatively easy change, if there is community support; -1 ;) Every little bit helps.. The internet needs more accurate data on who is responsible, and I am sure ARIN does