Re: [arin-ppml] Fraud reporting question

2015-06-23 Thread Nate Davis
This is probably not the right place to ask, but I'm unsure where to best ask. And at least it's somewhat relevant given recent talk of large actors in the CNNIC area gaming ARIN... 1) when someone submits a fraud report to ARIN, how are they supposed to communicate additional information on

[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-7: Simplified requirements for demonstrated need for IPv4 transfers

2015-06-23 Thread ARIN
Draft Policy ARIN-2015-7 Simplified requirements for demonstrated need for IPv4 transfers On 18 June 2015 the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) accepted ARIN-prop-221 Simplified requirements for demonstrated need for IPv4 transfers as a Draft Policy. Draft Policy ARIN-2015-7 is below and can be

[arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2015-1: Modification to Criteria for IPv6 Initial End-User Assignments

2015-06-23 Thread ARIN
Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2015-1 Modification to Criteria for IPv6 Initial End-User Assignments On 18 June 2015 the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) recommended ARIN-2015-1 for adoption, making it a Recommended Draft Policy. ARIN-2015-1 is below and can be found at:

[arin-ppml] Advisory Council Meeting Results - June 2015

2015-06-23 Thread ARIN
In accordance with the ARIN Policy Development Process (PDP), the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) met on 18 June 2015. Having found the following Draft Policy to be fully developed and meeting ARIN's Principles of Internet Number Resource Policy, the AC recommended it for adoption; it will be posted

Re: [arin-ppml] Fraud reporting question

2015-06-23 Thread Richard Jimmerson
Hello Adam, Thank you for submitting these questions about fraud reporting. We have found the fraud reporting system to be very helpful over the past few years. We receive many different types of fraud reports through this system. Some of them have helped ARIN begin investigations that have

[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-5: Out of region use

2015-06-23 Thread ARIN
Draft Policy ARIN-2015-5 Out of region use On 18 June 2015 the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) accepted ARIN-prop-219 Out of region use as a Draft Policy. Draft Policy ARIN-2015-5 is below and can be found at: https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2015_5.html You are encouraged to discuss the

Re: [arin-ppml] Fraud reporting question

2015-06-23 Thread Brian Jones
+1 Owen's remarks. There’s another possibility which seems entirely likely to me. Of 146 fraud reports, 2% cover legitimate fraud. Most fraud likely goes unreported. As noted by ARIN staff earlier in this conversation, the vast majority of fraud reports they receive are out of scope… General

Re: [arin-ppml] Fraud reporting question

2015-06-23 Thread Martin Hannigan
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 6:11 PM, Richard Jimmerson richa...@arin.net wrote: Hello Adam, Thank you for submitting these questions about fraud reporting. We have found the fraud reporting system to be very helpful over the past few years. We receive many different types of fraud reports

Re: [arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2015-1: Modification to Criteria for IPv6 Initial End-User Assignments

2015-06-23 Thread Matthew Kaufman
On 6/23/2015 1:07 PM, ARIN wrote: Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2015-1 Modification to Criteria for IPv6 Initial End-User Assignments I am of mixed opinion on this policy. I agree that it should be quite easy for an organization to receive their own IPv6 space. And I was fully supportive

Re: [arin-ppml] Fraud reporting question

2015-06-23 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jun 23, 2015, at 19:34 , Martin Hannigan hanni...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 6:11 PM, Richard Jimmerson richa...@arin.net mailto:richa...@arin.net wrote: Hello Adam, Thank you for submitting these questions about fraud reporting. We have found the fraud

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-6: Transfers and Multi-national Networks

2015-06-23 Thread Matthew Kaufman
On 6/23/2015 4:16 PM, William Herrin wrote: On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 6:55 PM, Scott Leibrand scottleibr...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 3:36 PM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 4:06 PM, ARIN i...@arin.net wrote: Draft Policy ARIN-2015-6 Transfers and

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-6: Transfers and Multi-national Networks

2015-06-23 Thread Matthew Kaufman
I think I'd be ok with that... do we need language in one or the other that explains what happens if both pass? Matthew Kaufman matt...@matthew.at On 6/23/2015 5:21 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: I agree with your reasoning, but as a conclusion, I support the broader-based 2015-5 as I believe it

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-6: Transfers and Multi-national Networks

2015-06-23 Thread Scott Leibrand
I believe the text is compatible as-is. If section 4 says out of region use is allowed, and then section 8 (where this one would go) also says geographic location doesn't matter, then ARIN will follow whichever of those they get to first, and we might just have slightly more lenient rules for

Re: [arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2015-1: Modification to Criteria for IPv6 Initial End-User Assignments

2015-06-23 Thread Adam Thompson
I'll point out that at my current employer, I cannot justify obtaining PI v6 space. So I've deployed ULA + NPT in order to guarantee uniqueness. I see IPv6 allocation making some of the same assumptions humans have made through time (e.g. 640k should be enough for anyone ), so I'm not sure I

Re: [arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2015-1: Modification to Criteria for IPv6 Initial End-User Assignments

2015-06-23 Thread ggiesen+arin-ppml
I presume that was in jest, but just like to confirm if you have a legitimate beef with this draft policy. Cheers, GTG -Original Message- From: arin-ppml-boun...@arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-boun...@arin.net] On Behalf Of Matthew Kaufman Sent: June-23-15 8:25 PM To: arin-ppml@arin.net

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-7: Simplified requirements for demonstrated need for IPv4 transfers

2015-06-23 Thread Michael Peddemors
Opposed. On 15-06-23 05:39 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: I am opposed to this proposal. It is yet another attempt to chip away at needs basis by those seeking to provide for unlimited and unrestricted transfers. The community has repeatedly indicated that the preservation of needs basis is important

Re: [arin-ppml] Fraud reporting question

2015-06-23 Thread Michael Peddemors
On 15-06-23 02:11 PM, Richard Jimmerson wrote: If you have submitted a report in the last fourteen days, you should hear back from us shortly. You are also welcome to contact us via our telephone help-desk for status information. 3) why can't I submit a fraud report if I'm logged in to

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-6: Transfers and Multi-national Networks

2015-06-23 Thread Scott Leibrand
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 3:36 PM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 4:06 PM, ARIN i...@arin.net wrote: Draft Policy ARIN-2015-6 Transfers and Multi-national Networks OPPOSED. Noted. Can you read over my comments below, and then note why you think it's a bad

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-5: Out of region use

2015-06-23 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 4:06 PM, ARIN i...@arin.net wrote: Draft Policy ARIN-2015-5 Out of region use OPPOSED. This draft calls for ARIN staff to make highly subjective value judgments which will, by their nature, vary from individual to individual and probably even from an individual's mood

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-7: Simplified requirements for demonstrated need for IPv4 transfers

2015-06-23 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 6:59 PM, Scott Leibrand scottleibr...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 3:48 PM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: IPv4 transfer recipients must demonstrate (and an officer of the requesting organization must attest) that they will use at least 50% of their

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-6: Transfers and Multi-national Networks

2015-06-23 Thread Scott Leibrand
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 4:16 PM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 6:55 PM, Scott Leibrand scottleibr...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 3:36 PM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 4:06 PM, ARIN i...@arin.net wrote: Draft

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-7: Simplified requirements for demonstrated need for IPv4 transfers

2015-06-23 Thread Matthew Kaufman
On 6/23/2015 1:06 PM, ARIN wrote: Draft Policy ARIN-2015-7 Simplified requirements for demonstrated need for IPv4 transfers I support this policy, but would be even happier if we simply had a trigger that said when ARIN is out of IPv4 addresses, this simplified policy replaces all other

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-6: Transfers and Multi-national Networks

2015-06-23 Thread Owen DeLong
I agree with your reasoning, but as a conclusion, I support the broader-based 2015-5 as I believe it provides a more flexible solution to a wider swath of the ARIN community. Owen On Jun 23, 2015, at 17:19 , Matthew Kaufman matt...@matthew.at wrote: On 6/23/2015 1:06 PM, ARIN wrote: Draft

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-7: Simplified requirements for demonstrated need for IPv4 transfers

2015-06-23 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 4:06 PM, ARIN i...@arin.net wrote: Draft Policy ARIN-2015-7 Simplified requirements for demonstrated need for IPv4 transfers Draft Policy ARIN-2015-7 Simplified requirements for demonstrated need for IPv4 transfers Date: 23 June 2015 Problem statement: ARIN

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-6: Transfers and Multi-national Networks

2015-06-23 Thread Matthew Kaufman
On 6/23/2015 3:36 PM, William Herrin wrote: On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 4:06 PM, ARIN i...@arin.net wrote: Draft Policy ARIN-2015-6 Transfers and Multi-national Networks OPPOSED. Policy violates PDP section 3.2. The policy requires ARIN to consider addresses used outside the region but the PDP

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-6: Transfers and Multi-national Networks

2015-06-23 Thread Matthew Kaufman
On 6/23/2015 3:55 PM, Scott Leibrand wrote: On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 3:36 PM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us mailto:b...@herrin.us wrote: On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 4:06 PM, ARIN i...@arin.net mailto:i...@arin.net wrote: Draft Policy ARIN-2015-6 Transfers and Multi-national

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-6: Transfers and Multi-national Networks

2015-06-23 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 4:06 PM, ARIN i...@arin.net wrote: Draft Policy ARIN-2015-6 Transfers and Multi-national Networks OPPOSED. Policy violates PDP section 3.2. The policy requires ARIN to consider addresses used outside the region but the PDP restricts policy scope to number resources

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-6: Transfers and Multi-national Networks

2015-06-23 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 6:55 PM, Scott Leibrand scottleibr...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 3:36 PM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 4:06 PM, ARIN i...@arin.net wrote: Draft Policy ARIN-2015-6 Transfers and Multi-national Networks OPPOSED. Noted.

Re: [arin-ppml] Fraud reporting question

2015-06-23 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jun 23, 2015, at 14:11 , Richard Jimmerson richa...@arin.net wrote: Hello Adam, Thank you for submitting these questions about fraud reporting. We have found the fraud reporting system to be very helpful over the past few years. We receive many different types of fraud reports

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-7: Simplified requirements for demonstrated need for IPv4 transfers

2015-06-23 Thread Scott Leibrand
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 4:22 PM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 6:59 PM, Scott Leibrand scottleibr...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 3:48 PM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: IPv4 transfer recipients must demonstrate (and an officer of the

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-6: Transfers and Multi-national Networks

2015-06-23 Thread Matthew Kaufman
On 6/23/2015 1:06 PM, ARIN wrote: Draft Policy ARIN-2015-6 Transfers and Multi-national Networks I support this policy. For whatever reason, an entity may choose to be utilizing its address space anywhere in the world. Where the addresses are being used at this instant should not have any

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-7: Simplified requirements for demonstrated need for IPv4 transfers

2015-06-23 Thread Scott Leibrand
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 5:20 PM, Matthew Kaufman matt...@matthew.at wrote: On 6/23/2015 1:06 PM, ARIN wrote: Draft Policy ARIN-2015-7 Simplified requirements for demonstrated need for IPv4 transfers I support this policy, but would be even happier if we simply had a trigger that said when