Re: [arin-ppml] Beneficial Owners

2018-07-12 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message , Bill Woodcock wrote: >To my observation, ARIN does more than most organizations, but less than >organizations that are actually mandated to perform KYC checks by >regulatory agencies. ARIN does not, for instance, visit the premises of >its customers to meet and positively identif

Re: [arin-ppml] Beneficial Owners

2018-07-12 Thread Jason Schiller via ARIN-PPML
On July 13, 2016 ARIN implemented 2015-5 https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2015_5.html Which codifies that IP addresses can be used outside the ARIN service region, "provided that the applicant has a real and substantial connection with the ARIN region" This phrase was selected to ensure tha

Re: [arin-ppml] Beneficial Owners

2018-07-12 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message Jason Schiller wrote: >I know neither of these directly answer your question. Well, in a word, no. but I appreciate your response as it does shed a bit more light on this overall topic. Of course, I have no real idea what the exact meaning of this phrase is: "provided that the ap

Re: [arin-ppml] Beneficial Owners

2018-07-12 Thread Bill Woodcock
> On Jul 13, 2018, at 6:35 AM, Ronald F. Guilmette > wrote: > I would like to know if there > is, or would be, general hostility to the notion of ARIN asking for > concrete documentation of the identities of the beneficial owners (say, > for 25% ownership or above) of non-publicly-traded corpor

[arin-ppml] Beneficial Owners

2018-07-12 Thread Devon Blake
persons or entities within, say, Russia, China, Iran, or > > North Korea to obtain a U.S. shell company and then proceed to leverage > > that in order to obtain number resources from ARIN? > > I suppose that depends on your opinion of what constitutes triviality. > There are

Re: [arin-ppml] Beneficial Owners

2018-07-12 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message <92cf0190-80cb-42fb-8b20-8cbc4aedd...@pch.net>, Bill Woodcock wrote: >In other words, look at what KYC processes regulators require of their >regulated entities in other industries, and do the same, before someone >thinks to require it of us. > >I have neither an argument for or aga

Re: [arin-ppml] Beneficial Owners

2018-07-12 Thread John Curran
On 12 Jul 2018, at 6:44 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > ... > In the current fraught era, I am not at all persuaded that it is still > justifiable, legally, ethically, or otherwise, for ARIN to continue to > take an entirely laissez-faire approach to the identification of its > actual customers.

Re: [arin-ppml] Beneficial Owners

2018-07-12 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message <69e64f3c-c9f7-4636-9350-c74de11a0...@arin.net>, John Curran wrote: >ARIN actually does quite a bit to insure that we're aware of the parties >we're dealing with, and that includes verification of the legal entities >involved and their pertinent bona fides. ARIN reviews transactio

Re: [arin-ppml] Beneficial Owners

2018-07-12 Thread hostmaster
While I do not doubt that there might be shell entities that are holding numbering resources for less than honorable purposes, I was actually more worried about people forming special purpose LLCs or Corps in order to hold numbering resources for the purpose of later sale to others. By forming

[arin-ppml] Weekly posting summary for p...@arin.net

2018-07-12 Thread narten
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