I am making my first contribution to this list, but I have been following some of these threads. I think this is a very important question that is raised. The fact that all these bad actors are using the internet as the vehicle to establish structures to conceal their nefarious activities, I think will eventually impact the functions of ARIN, whether from a legal perspective, an ethical or even moral perspective. We should develop this discussion. On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 11:00 AM <[email protected]> wrote:
> Send ARIN-PPML mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of ARIN-PPML digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Beneficial Owners (Ronald F. Guilmette) > 2. Re: Beneficial Owners (Bill Woodcock) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 22:57:44 -0700 > From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: [arin-ppml] Beneficial Owners > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > > I have what I think is a rather simple question. Not a policy proposal. > Just a simple question for now, but I suspect that most or all of you > will be easily able to infer where I am going with this. > > I watched a really rather interesting YouTube video recently: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zelMqK52NRE > > If you've ever taken any interest in the Panama Papers I, The Paradise > Papers, The Panama Papers II, or if you've even ever been concerned > about the activities of, say, the likes of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi or > Vladimir Putin, then I do recommend that you watch the video, which > is rather eye opening. > > The video, and another small piece of information that came to me recently, > have together made me deeply curious to know whether or not ARIN, as part > of its day-to-day normal operations, requires the production of any > specific documentation of, or information about the beneficial owners of > corporate/LLC legal entities to which it assigns number resources. > > Does it? And if so, how may these records be accessed? > > Certainly I've never seen any such information within any WHOIS record. > All I see there is corporate names, nominal snail-mailing addresses, and > nominal phone numbers. I know from experience that the addresses and phone > numbers present in ARIN WHOIS records are, on many occasions, connected > only to lawyers, incorporation agents, or opaque UPS mailboxes, and > obviously > this isn't the kind of information that interests me. > > If ARIN routinely collects documentation of the beneficial owners of the > entities to which it assigns number resources, then I, for one, sure would > like to know how to access that. > > On the other hand, if it doesn't... > > Well, we'll set that aside for the moment, and I'll just wait and hope for > an answer to my basic question. > > I guess that another way of stating the question is: Is it trivially > possible for persons or entities within, say, Russia, China, Iran, or > North Korea to obtain a U.S. shell company and then proceed to leverage > that in order to obtain number resources from ARIN? > > > Regards, > rfg > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 16:45:37 +1000 > From: Bill Woodcock <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Beneficial Owners > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > > On Jul 12, 2018, at 3:57 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette <[email protected]> > wrote: > > I am deeply curious to know whether or not ARIN, as part > > of its day-to-day normal operations, requires the production of any > > specific documentation of, or information about the beneficial owners of > > corporate/LLC legal entities to which it assigns number resources. > > So, speaking generically, this is called ?Know Your Customer? or KYC > regulation, and is common in banking and other financial services > industries, mostly in an attempt to regulate money laundering. > > > Does it? > > To my observation, ARIN does more than most organizations, but less than > organizations that are actually mandated to perform KYC checks by > regulatory agencies. ARIN does not, for instance, visit the premises of > its customers to meet and positively identify their executives, which is a > process I have to go through with respect to some banks, for instance. I > will note that that?s not a cheap process for banks to implement, and the > thing at stake there is money, rather than IP addresses. > > > And if so, how may these records be accessed? > > That may be going in a different direction, which may not be a reasonable > one? banks that follow KYC processes to identify their customers are > responsible to banking regulators if they?re audited, they don?t publish > the information to the public. > > > Certainly I've never seen any such information within any WHOIS record. > > So if you want to unmask the owners of corporations, I think you have a > lot of hurdles to get over? I don?t think you can use ARIN as a magical > shortcut to financial transparency. > > > Is it trivially > > possible for persons or entities within, say, Russia, China, Iran, or > > North Korea to obtain a U.S. shell company and then proceed to leverage > > that in order to obtain number resources from ARIN? > > I suppose that depends on your opinion of what constitutes triviality. > There are two steps there: establish a US corporation (which is very easy, > compared with other countries) and apply for ARIN resources (and you > already know how difficult, or easy, that is). > > > -Bill > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: signature.asc > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 833 bytes > Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP > URL: < > https://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-ppml/attachments/20180712/b8341db9/attachment-0001.sig > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-PPML mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > > > ------------------------------ > > End of ARIN-PPML Digest, Vol 157, Issue 3 > ***************************************** > -- Devon Blake ICT and Development Consultant 22c Sullivan Ave Kgn 8 ,Phone: Office 876-649-9704, Mobile, digi 876-483-2632, flow 876-519-6266 linkedin:https://www.linkedin.com/in/deblade website:www.myintellicenter.com To be kind, To be helpful, To network *Earthwise ... 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