Re: [fedora-arm] Who's using Kirkwood?

2012-10-12 Thread Gordan Bobic
On 10/11/2012 08:03 PM, Brendan Conoboy wrote: On 10/11/2012 03:10 AM, Gordan Bobic wrote: Just out of interest, which packages are you referring to? I am assuming it is LibreOffice + a small subset of whatever is in Fedora that isn't in EL; mainly because I had no RAM/swap/CPU issues building

Re: [fedora-arm] Who's using Kirkwood?

2012-10-12 Thread Gordan Bobic
On 10/11/2012 08:03 PM, Brendan Conoboy wrote: On 10/11/2012 03:10 AM, Gordan Bobic wrote: Just out of interest, which packages are you referring to? I am assuming it is LibreOffice + a small subset of whatever is in Fedora that isn't in EL; mainly because I had no RAM/swap/CPU issues building

Re: [fedora-arm] Who's using Kirkwood?

2012-10-12 Thread Yanko Kaneti
On Fri, 2012-10-12 at 09:40 +0100, Gordan Bobic wrote: I use iSCSI (ext4 build area on one of the hosts for the packages that fail self-tests on NFS) and NFS (for everything else) backed by a reasonably beefy storage box. Why no just iSCSI ? I am guessing you have some numbers to

Re: [fedora-arm] Who's using Kirkwood?

2012-10-12 Thread Gordan Bobic
On 10/12/2012 09:55 AM, Yanko Kaneti wrote: On Fri, 2012-10-12 at 09:40 +0100, Gordan Bobic wrote: I use iSCSI (ext4 build area on one of the hosts for the packages that fail self-tests on NFS) and NFS (for everything else) backed by a reasonably beefy storage box. Why no just iSCSI ? I

Re: [fedora-arm] Who's using Kirkwood?

2012-10-12 Thread Till Maas
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 09:46:37PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: Marvell? Asking who in particular? And what configuration. There's a lot of kirkwood chips with 128Mb or less RAM which makes it a little pointless for a Fedora image and hence IMO not relevant. A Seagate dockstar has only 128Mb

Re: [fedora-arm] Who's using Kirkwood?

2012-10-12 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 01:37:51PM -0400, Derek Atkins wrote: Brendan Conoboy b...@redhat.com writes: Personally I'd be fine if we consider Kirkwood to be server only (i.e. headless). So to me that implies that a lack of Libreoffice is okay. Granted, I don't know if that's okay from a

Re: [fedora-arm] Who's using Kirkwood?

2012-10-12 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Friday, October 12, 2012, 1:51:43 PM, Till Maas wrote: On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 01:37:51PM -0400, Derek Atkins wrote: Brendan Conoboy b...@redhat.com writes: Personally I'd be fine if we consider Kirkwood to be server only (i.e. headless). So to me that implies that a lack of Libreoffice is

Re: [fedora-arm] Who's using Kirkwood?

2012-10-11 Thread Gordan Bobic
On 10/10/2012 06:47 PM, Derek Atkins wrote: Peter Robinsonpbrobin...@gmail.com writes: Might as well wait until the whole 32-bit branch can be dropped. Practically all x86 CPU made in most of the past decade is x86-64. Half decade maybe as Intel first introduced 64 bit CPUs in early 2005

Re: [fedora-arm] Who's using Kirkwood?

2012-10-11 Thread Peter Robinson
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Gordan Bobic gor...@bobich.net wrote: On 10/10/2012 05:55 PM, Derek Atkins wrote: Hi Folks, I'm interested to know who is using Kirkwood, and who would miss it if it went away. For now, we won't kill off ARMv5 because it is used in the official rPi builds

Re: [fedora-arm] Who's using Kirkwood?

2012-10-11 Thread Gordan Bobic
On 10/11/2012 10:51 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Gordan Bobicgor...@bobich.net wrote: On 10/10/2012 05:55 PM, Derek Atkins wrote: Hi Folks, I'm interested to know who is using Kirkwood, and who would miss it if it went away. For now, we won't kill off ARMv5

Re: [fedora-arm] Who's using Kirkwood?

2012-10-11 Thread Peter Robinson
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Gordan Bobic gor...@bobich.net wrote: On 10/11/2012 10:51 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Gordan Bobicgor...@bobich.net wrote: On 10/10/2012 05:55 PM, Derek Atkins wrote: Hi Folks, I'm interested to know who is using Kirkwood,

Re: [fedora-arm] Who's using Kirkwood?

2012-10-11 Thread Gordan Bobic
On 10/10/2012 09:46 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: I know that RPi looks interesting, but they are still very hard to acquire. (Limit 1, then wait a few months??) That's no longer the case. In most cases I believe it should now be relatively instant shipping and they're certainly no longer

Re: [fedora-arm] Who's using Kirkwood?

2012-10-11 Thread Gordan Bobic
On 10/10/2012 07:59 PM, Brendan Conoboy wrote: On 10/10/2012 10:47 AM, Derek Atkins wrote: Sure, but we're a decade later. Kirkwood devices were just released what? 3 years ago? I certainly got mine more recently than that. I admit I've been running F12 on it, but that's only because there

Re: [fedora-arm] Who's using Kirkwood?

2012-10-10 Thread Till Maas
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 04:30:24AM -0500, Dennis Gilmore wrote: El Tue, 9 Oct 2012 08:54:26 +0100 Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com escribió: On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 10:56 PM, Till Maas opensou...@till.name wrote: It seems that the disk image boots on the dockstar, but a first yum

Re: [fedora-arm] Who's using Kirkwood?

2012-10-10 Thread Derek Atkins
Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com writes: On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Derek Atkins warl...@mit.edu wrote: Jon, Jon Masters j...@redhat.com writes: Hi Folks, I'm interested to know who is using Kirkwood, and who would miss it if it went away. For now, we won't kill off ARMv5 because

Re: [fedora-arm] Who's using Kirkwood?

2012-10-10 Thread Derek Atkins
Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com writes: Might as well wait until the whole 32-bit branch can be dropped. Practically all x86 CPU made in most of the past decade is x86-64. Half decade maybe as Intel first introduced 64 bit CPUs in early 2005 and it took a while to spread through their

Re: [fedora-arm] Who's using Kirkwood?

2012-10-10 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Derek Atkins warl...@mit.edu wrote: Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com writes: On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Derek Atkins warl...@mit.edu wrote: Jon, Jon Masters j...@redhat.com writes: Hi Folks, I'm interested to know who is using Kirkwood, and who

Re: [fedora-arm] Who's using Kirkwood?

2012-10-09 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 10:56 PM, Till Maas opensou...@till.name wrote: On Mon, Oct 08, 2012 at 02:53:45PM -0400, Scott Sullivan wrote: On 10/08/2012 02:35 PM, Till Maas wrote: Hi, On Sat, Oct 06, 2012 at 05:43:33AM -0400, Jon Masters wrote: I'm interested to know who is using Kirkwood,

Re: [fedora-arm] Who's using Kirkwood?

2012-10-09 Thread Dennis Gilmore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 El Tue, 9 Oct 2012 08:54:26 +0100 Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com escribió: On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 10:56 PM, Till Maas opensou...@till.name wrote: On Mon, Oct 08, 2012 at 02:53:45PM -0400, Scott Sullivan wrote: On 10/08/2012 02:35 PM, Till

Re: [fedora-arm] Who's using Kirkwood?

2012-10-09 Thread Derek Atkins
Jon, Jon Masters j...@redhat.com writes: Hi Folks, I'm interested to know who is using Kirkwood, and who would miss it if it went away. For now, we won't kill off ARMv5 because it is used in the official rPi builds but that doesn't mean I'm not interested to know whether we should put

Re: [fedora-arm] Who's using Kirkwood?

2012-10-09 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Derek Atkins warl...@mit.edu wrote: Jon, Jon Masters j...@redhat.com writes: Hi Folks, I'm interested to know who is using Kirkwood, and who would miss it if it went away. For now, we won't kill off ARMv5 because it is used in the official rPi builds but

Re: [fedora-arm] Who's using Kirkwood?

2012-10-09 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Gordan Bobic gor...@bobich.net wrote: On 10/09/2012 03:48 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: The x86 port still supports a Pentium, I don't see any reason to drop support for kirkwood. Is it really that much extra effort? It is surprisingly quite a lot of effort.

Re: [fedora-arm] Who's using Kirkwood?

2012-10-08 Thread Till Maas
Hi, On Sat, Oct 06, 2012 at 05:43:33AM -0400, Jon Masters wrote: I'm interested to know who is using Kirkwood, and who would miss it if it went away. For now, we won't kill off ARMv5 because it is used in the official rPi builds but that doesn't mean I'm not interested to know whether we

Re: [fedora-arm] Who's using Kirkwood?

2012-10-08 Thread Scott Sullivan
On 10/08/2012 02:35 PM, Till Maas wrote: Hi, On Sat, Oct 06, 2012 at 05:43:33AM -0400, Jon Masters wrote: I'm interested to know who is using Kirkwood, and who would miss it if it went away. For now, we won't kill off ARMv5 because it is used in the official rPi builds but that doesn't mean

Re: [fedora-arm] Who's using Kirkwood?

2012-10-08 Thread Scott Sullivan
On 10/08/2012 02:53 PM, Scott Sullivan wrote: On 10/08/2012 02:35 PM, Till Maas wrote: [...] It also includes instructions to update the boot loader and supports installing on USB, SD card and eSATA. The Fedora instructions only mention to dd an image on a SD card on the other hand. You'll

Re: [fedora-arm] Who's using Kirkwood?

2012-10-08 Thread Till Maas
On Mon, Oct 08, 2012 at 02:53:45PM -0400, Scott Sullivan wrote: On 10/08/2012 02:35 PM, Till Maas wrote: Hi, On Sat, Oct 06, 2012 at 05:43:33AM -0400, Jon Masters wrote: I'm interested to know who is using Kirkwood, and who would miss it if it went away. For now, we won't kill off ARMv5

Re: [fedora-arm] Who's using Kirkwood?

2012-10-06 Thread David A. Marlin
Jon Masters wrote: Hi Folks, I'm interested to know who is using Kirkwood, and who would miss it if it went away. Just to get a rough gauge of interest, perhaps we should look at the download stats for the F17 images. That won't tell us the number of actual 'users', but will at least give

Re: [fedora-arm] Who's using Kirkwood?

2012-10-06 Thread Gordan Bobic
On 10/06/2012 11:07 AM, Jon Masters wrote: Hi Gordan, On 10/06/2012 05:58 AM, Gordan Bobic wrote: On 10/06/2012 10:43 AM, Jon Masters wrote: Hi Folks, I'm interested to know who is using Kirkwood, and who would miss it if it went away. For now, we won't kill off ARMv5 because it is used in

Re: [fedora-arm] Who's using Kirkwood?

2012-10-06 Thread Peter Robinson
That /may/ be true. Maybe. I don't know that for sure. They certainly were popular amongst a certain crowd. I would say the most popular board these days is likely the rPi, followed by some of the new v7 devices, especially the cheaper rPi-inspired AllWinner based stuff, which we probably

Re: [fedora-arm] Who's using Kirkwood?

2012-10-06 Thread Jon Masters
On 10/06/2012 09:50 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Jon Masters j...@redhat.com wrote: I'm interested to know who is using Kirkwood, and who would miss it if it went away. For now, we won't kill off ARMv5 because it is used in the official rPi builds but that

Re: [fedora-arm] Who's using Kirkwood?

2012-10-06 Thread Gordan Bobic
On 06/10/2012 15:02, Peter Robinson wrote: On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Gordan Bobicgor...@bobich.net wrote: On 10/06/2012 10:43 AM, Jon Masters wrote: Hi Folks, I'm interested to know who is using Kirkwood, and who would miss it if it went away. For now, we won't kill off ARMv5 because

Re: [fedora-arm] Who's using Kirkwood?

2012-10-06 Thread Brendan Conoboy
On 10/06/2012 06:50 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: Of course none of this is set in stone, it's a discussion and just me putting my ideas into words. FWIW, I likewise think we should shoot for promotion of armv7hl to primary, leaving armv5 (or armv6) secondary. Numerous packages with atomics