Re: [fedora-arm] armv7hl requirements

2011-05-13 Thread Gordan Bobic
Peter Robinson wrote: I must say that I like this idea A LOT! :D I like this idea a lot too. It will speed up development. :) If the -main- development is done this way, then a final compile for the release is done on actual hardware with the actual toolchain, it would also meet the specs

Re: [fedora-arm] armv7hl requirements

2011-05-13 Thread omalleys
Quoting DJ Delorie d...@redhat.com: For a kernel RPM build, for example, distcc reduces my build time from 100 minutes to 60 minutes, a 40% improvement. It took me about 50-60 minutes to compile the kernel on the guruplug, on a mounted NFS filesystem (hosted on x85 linux) with syncing(?),

Re: [fedora-arm] armv7hl requirements

2011-05-13 Thread Peter Robinson
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 4:48 PM, DJ Delorie d...@redhat.com wrote: Believe me I am painfully aware of that. I have got gcc to compile on one of the ARM boxes in mock. Using koji on the same device it doesn't compile and I have no idea why so its still not a guarantee it seems, very

Re: [fedora-arm] armv7hl requirements

2011-05-13 Thread Peter Robinson
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 7:47 PM, Gordan Bobic gor...@bobich.net wrote: On 05/13/2011 06:50 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 4:48 PM, DJ Deloried...@redhat.com  wrote: Believe me I am painfully aware of that. I have got gcc to compile on one of the ARM boxes in mock. Using

Re: [fedora-arm] armv7hl requirements

2011-05-13 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, On Fri, May 13 2011, Gordan Bobic wrote: Yes, this board has 3Gb (koji3 in the arm cluster). What ARM hardware has that much RAM on it?? Its a Marvell development board provided to OLPC to assist in their development of the XO 1.75. Ah, so not something one could actually just buy, I

Re: [fedora-arm] armv7hl requirements

2011-05-12 Thread Gordan Bobic
I must say that I like this idea A LOT! :D This might just make things like LibreOffice builds actually plausible. Gordan DJ Delorie wrote: Jon asked me to join this list, here's my first contribution... though that might be a bit hard since gcc will take some time to compile. Here's a

Re: [fedora-arm] armv7hl requirements

2011-05-10 Thread Gordan Bobic
Dennis Gilmore wrote: Hi Jon, On Wed, May 04 2011, Jon Masters wrote: I'd like to kick off a discussion about flags for ARMv7. My proposal here is that we treat v7hl as an entirely different architecture, and don't try any multi-arch kind of hacks (there isn't the established user base for

Re: [fedora-arm] armv7hl requirements

2011-05-06 Thread Gordan Bobic
Matt Domsch wrote: On Wed, May 04, 2011 at 01:46:06PM -0500, Jon Masters wrote: Folks, I'd like to kick off a discussion about flags for ARMv7. My proposal here is that we treat v7hl as an entirely different architecture, and don't try any multi-arch kind of hacks (there isn't the

Re: [fedora-arm] armv7hl requirements

2011-05-06 Thread Gordan Bobic
Jon Masters wrote: On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 22:36 -0500, Matt Domsch wrote: On Wed, May 04, 2011 at 01:46:06PM -0500, Jon Masters wrote: I'd like to kick off a discussion about flags for ARMv7. My proposal here is that we treat v7hl as an entirely different architecture, and don't try any

Re: [fedora-arm] armv7hl requirements

2011-05-06 Thread Michael Hope
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Gordan Bobic gor...@bobich.net wrote: Jon Masters wrote: If you read how VFPv3 actually implements its registers, you'll see that the extra 16 (for D32) really are totally separate anyway as far as the ABI is concerned, so I remain unconvinced we lose a lot by

Re: [fedora-arm] armv7hl requirements

2011-05-06 Thread Peter Robinson
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 3:41 PM, omall...@msu.edu wrote: Quoting Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com: While I like the idea of optimising for the A15 processor all literature I've seen on it indicates that the first silicon won't be available until sometime in 2012 and devices running them

Re: [fedora-arm] armv7hl requirements

2011-05-06 Thread Jon Masters
On Sat, 2011-05-07 at 00:09 +1200, Michael Hope wrote: On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Gordan Bobic gor...@bobich.net wrote: Jon Masters wrote: If you read how VFPv3 actually implements its registers, you'll see that the extra 16 (for D32) really are totally separate anyway as far as the

Re: [fedora-arm] armv7hl requirements

2011-05-06 Thread Matt Sealey
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Jon Masters jonat...@jonmasters.org wrote: On Sat, 2011-05-07 at 00:09 +1200, Michael Hope wrote: On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Gordan Bobic gor...@bobich.net wrote: Jon Masters wrote: We can optimize for A9+ VFPv3-D16 and then there can be packages that

Re: [fedora-arm] armv7hl requirements

2011-05-05 Thread Gordan Bobic
Jon Masters wrote: On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 08:23 +1200, Michael Hope wrote: *). ARM VFP3 hardware floating point (h) *). ARM NEON Architecture *). Thumb2 interworking I don't think you have to anything explicit here. Thumb-2 and ARM code interoperate just fine. *). Your suggestion here?

Re: [fedora-arm] armv7hl requirements

2011-05-05 Thread omalleys
Quoting Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com: While I like the idea of optimising for the A15 processor all literature I've seen on it indicates that the first silicon won't be available until sometime in 2012 and devices running them until 2013 although I would like to be proved wrong. Also

Re: [fedora-arm] armv7hl requirements

2011-05-05 Thread Matt Domsch
On Wed, May 04, 2011 at 01:46:06PM -0500, Jon Masters wrote: Folks, I'd like to kick off a discussion about flags for ARMv7. My proposal here is that we treat v7hl as an entirely different architecture, and don't try any multi-arch kind of hacks (there isn't the established user base for

Re: [fedora-arm] armv7hl requirements

2011-05-05 Thread Jon Masters
On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 22:36 -0500, Matt Domsch wrote: On Wed, May 04, 2011 at 01:46:06PM -0500, Jon Masters wrote: I'd like to kick off a discussion about flags for ARMv7. My proposal here is that we treat v7hl as an entirely different architecture, and don't try any multi-arch kind of

Re: [fedora-arm] armv7hl requirements

2011-05-04 Thread Robert Nelson
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Jon Masters jonat...@jonmasters.org wrote: Folks, I'd like to kick off a discussion about flags for ARMv7. My proposal here is that we treat v7hl as an entirely different architecture, and don't try any multi-arch kind of hacks (there isn't the established user

Re: [fedora-arm] armv7hl requirements

2011-05-04 Thread Gordan Bobic
On 05/04/2011 07:46 PM, Jon Masters wrote: Folks, I'd like to kick off a discussion about flags for ARMv7. My proposal here is that we treat v7hl as an entirely different architecture, and don't try any multi-arch kind of hacks (there isn't the established user base for Fedora ARM to justify

Re: [fedora-arm] armv7hl requirements

2011-05-04 Thread Alexjan Carraturo
I think NEON is one step too far because Tegra doesn't support it, and Tegra is rapidly becoming very prolific in convenient form factors, such as these: http://www.trimslice.com

Re: [fedora-arm] armv7hl requirements

2011-05-04 Thread Jon Masters
On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 08:23 +1200, Michael Hope wrote: *). ARM VFP3 hardware floating point (h) *). ARM NEON Architecture *). Thumb2 interworking I don't think you have to anything explicit here. Thumb-2 and ARM code interoperate just fine. *). Your suggestion here? *) Hard

Re: [fedora-arm] armv7hl requirements

2011-05-04 Thread Michael Hope
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Jon Masters jonat...@jonmasters.org wrote: On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 08:23 +1200, Michael Hope wrote: *). ARM VFP3 hardware floating point (h) *). ARM NEON Architecture *). Thumb2 interworking I don't think you have to anything explicit here.  Thumb-2 and ARM