Re: [Arm-netbook] Debian GNU/Linux, nonfree software, and FSF's free distros list

2016-10-17 Thread Elena ``of Valhalla''
On 2016-10-17 at 19:46:21 +0200, Elena ``of Valhalla'' wrote: > I see that there has been a BOF_ about collaboration between Debian and > the FSF at the latest Debconf, but I haven't seen the video, so I don't > know what was said (yet, I may have just found something to watch in the > near

Re: [Arm-netbook] Debian GNU/Linux, nonfree software, and FSF's free distros list

2016-10-17 Thread Elena ``of Valhalla''
On 2016-10-17 at 10:02:26 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > I wish Debian and the FSF would work together to resolve this issue. They are, more or less: there has been quite some activity a few years ago which lead to some changes, but work seems to have stalled (the `mailing list`_ isn't seeing

Re: [Arm-netbook] Debian GNU/Linux, nonfree software, and FSF's free distros list

2016-10-17 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Which suggests the nonfree software integration the FSF spoke of is in > there. After all, like you just said, if it's an opt-in away to get the > nonfree software the nonfree repos are listed but not enabled until one > answers "yes" to activate the nonfree repos Debian hosts. If this isn't the

Re: [Arm-netbook] Debian GNU/Linux, nonfree software, and FSF's free distros list

2016-10-16 Thread Philip Hands
Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton writes: ... > the FSF's position there covers *everyone else*, who, by definition, > cannot trust or be trusted to follow explicit written or verbal > instructions, cannot cope with a command-line prompt, cannot > comprehend the consequences of their

Re: [Arm-netbook] Debian GNU/Linux, nonfree software, and FSF's free distros list

2016-10-16 Thread Elena ``of Valhalla''
On 2016-10-15 at 18:06:52 -0500, J.B. Nicholson wrote: > Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > You can install an entirely free system with no non-free components. > > > > You can also install Debian without taking account of any recommends. > But the recommends and suggests fields are still listing

Re: [Arm-netbook] Debian GNU/Linux, nonfree software, and FSF's free distros list

2016-10-16 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On 10/16/16, Philip Hands wrote: > "J.B. Nicholson" writes: > >> Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: >>> they're doing the best that they believe they can do, but they _have_ >>> been told. see joey hess's very public description of the Debian >>> Charter

Re: [Arm-netbook] Debian GNU/Linux, nonfree software, and FSF's free distros list

2016-10-16 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On 10/15/16, J.B. Nicholson wrote: > Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > It's entirely possible something has changed and I am not aware of relevant > updates on this (I don't doubt you're in touch with them far more than I > am). Please do reply to the list with updates

Re: [Arm-netbook] Debian GNU/Linux, nonfree software, and FSF's free distros list

2016-10-15 Thread FaTony
Of course, you can install a fully free Debian system, but 1 single dialog in setup wizard is a bit too little. I would rather have the tickbox to install non-free repos somewhere deep in preferences menu and I would certainly not host them on the debian.org domain. Ideally, you would only add

[Arm-netbook] Debian GNU/Linux, nonfree software, and FSF's free distros list

2016-10-15 Thread J.B. Nicholson
Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: they're doing the best that they believe they can do, but they _have_ been told. see joey hess's very public description of the Debian Charter as a "toxic document". I've seen https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/11/msg00174.html where Hess makes