[Arm-netbook] Doing without systemd

2017-07-03 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 04:02:23PM +0100, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > > for example, until i discovered that angband.pl actively maintains > systemd-less debian packages for xorg, udev, pulseaudio and several > critical pre-systemd packages (including consolekit), i was forced to >

[Arm-netbook] severe systemd bugs (two of them)

2017-07-03 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
https://it.slashdot.org/story/17/07/03/0343258/severe-systemd-bug-allowed-remote-code-execution-for-two-years two years. that's how long one of these bugs has been in systemd. *via a remote network*. what the hell is an init system doing being accessible *via DNS queries*? for anyone who still

Re: [Arm-netbook] severe systemd bugs (two of them)

2017-07-03 Thread Philip Hands
Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton writes: > On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 9:26 AM, Philip Hands wrote: > >> Might I ask in response: What the hell are you doing not fact checking >> this before repeating it? > > because in the scheme of programs-that-constitute-systemd it

Re: [Arm-netbook] severe systemd bugs (two of them)

2017-07-03 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 10:06 AM, Philip Hands wrote: > Are you aware of confirmation bias? you're talking to a reverse-engineer, so you know that i am. the problem is that there are so many different "signs" from so many different directions that it becomes completely

Re: [Arm-netbook] severe systemd bugs (two of them)

2017-07-03 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 9:26 AM, Philip Hands wrote: > Might I ask in response: What the hell are you doing not fact checking > this before repeating it? because in the scheme of programs-that-constitute-systemd it really doesn't matter, phil. the slashdot report also includes

Re: [Arm-netbook] severe systemd bugs (two of them)

2017-07-03 Thread Bill Kontos
On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > for anyone who still believes that systemd is okay to use and deploy, > and that there exist "great advantages that outweigh the risks", are > you *finally* getting the message now? Because the only distro

Re: [Arm-netbook] severe systemd bugs (two of them)

2017-07-03 Thread Bill Kontos
On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 12:06 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > even with that in mind i see no down-side to the additional workload > that you refer to when you consider the upside that diversity brings. > no monoculture, no centralised control, and a need for people

Re: [Arm-netbook] severe systemd bugs (two of them)

2017-07-03 Thread Philip Hands
Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton writes: > https://it.slashdot.org/story/17/07/03/0343258/severe-systemd-bug-allowed-remote-code-execution-for-two-years > > two years. that's how long one of these bugs has been in systemd. > *via a remote network*. what the hell is an init system

Re: [Arm-netbook] severe systemd bugs (two of them)

2017-07-03 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 11:00 AM, Erik Auerswald wrote: > Systemd is supposed to replace the complete init system, not just the > process with PID 1. In addition, it adds lots of other functionality (DNS > resolver, DCHP client, network configuration, desktop session

Re: [Arm-netbook] Arm Netbook, Saw the update,

2017-07-03 Thread Richard Wilbur
On Jun 29, 2017, at 20:45, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 3:32 AM, Richard Wilbur > wrote: >> Have you identified which signals are affected? > > no - i do not have access to equipment which will allow me to make > such a

Re: [Arm-netbook] severe systemd bugs (two of them)

2017-07-03 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Jonathan Frederickson wrote: > People have always done this, it's just that the systemd folks are > writing their own versions of lots of different services. And that's > okay! You're free to use them, or not, as you choose. ...

Re: [Arm-netbook] severe systemd bugs (two of them)

2017-07-03 Thread zap
when i was looking at taking over maintenance of depinit one of the first tasks was to add full automated compatibility for initscripts. signiicant advantages of depinit were lost in the process but there was no loss when compared to sysvinit itself. individual initscripts could then be replaced

Re: [Arm-netbook] severe systemd bugs (two of them)

2017-07-03 Thread Adam Van Ymeren
Jonathan Frederickson writes: >> this one example underscores that "freedom" - having access to the >> source - is no longer the only factor, meaning that we are heavily and >> critically deependent on decisions made by distro maintainers. > > Again, this has always

Re: [Arm-netbook] severe systemd bugs (two of them)

2017-07-03 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Troy Benjegerdes wrote: > Gee, it's as if you're talking about bitcoin-core bitcoin-core is not a critical and essential dependency which has been forced onto 98% of GNU/Linux users without their informed consent. l.

Re: [Arm-netbook] severe systemd bugs (two of them)

2017-07-03 Thread zap
On 07/03/2017 01:12 PM, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > I'm not going to join this pro/anti systemd discussion as it is > pointless at this point, but, For the most part I agree with you, but I must admit I trust someone with as much experience like Luke far more than systemd. But you are free to avoid