On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 04:02:23PM +0100, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
>
> for example, until i discovered that angband.pl actively maintains
> systemd-less debian packages for xorg, udev, pulseaudio and several
> critical pre-systemd packages (including consolekit), i was forced to
>
https://it.slashdot.org/story/17/07/03/0343258/severe-systemd-bug-allowed-remote-code-execution-for-two-years
two years. that's how long one of these bugs has been in systemd.
*via a remote network*. what the hell is an init system doing being
accessible *via DNS queries*?
for anyone who still
Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton writes:
> On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 9:26 AM, Philip Hands wrote:
>
>> Might I ask in response: What the hell are you doing not fact checking
>> this before repeating it?
>
> because in the scheme of programs-that-constitute-systemd it
On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 10:06 AM, Philip Hands wrote:
> Are you aware of confirmation bias?
you're talking to a reverse-engineer, so you know that i am.
the problem is that there are so many different "signs" from so many
different directions that it becomes completely
On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 9:26 AM, Philip Hands wrote:
> Might I ask in response: What the hell are you doing not fact checking
> this before repeating it?
because in the scheme of programs-that-constitute-systemd it really
doesn't matter, phil. the slashdot report also includes
On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
wrote:
> for anyone who still believes that systemd is okay to use and deploy,
> and that there exist "great advantages that outweigh the risks", are
> you *finally* getting the message now?
Because the only distro
On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 12:06 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
wrote:
> even with that in mind i see no down-side to the additional workload
> that you refer to when you consider the upside that diversity brings.
> no monoculture, no centralised control, and a need for people
Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton writes:
> https://it.slashdot.org/story/17/07/03/0343258/severe-systemd-bug-allowed-remote-code-execution-for-two-years
>
> two years. that's how long one of these bugs has been in systemd.
> *via a remote network*. what the hell is an init system
On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 11:00 AM, Erik Auerswald
wrote:
> Systemd is supposed to replace the complete init system, not just the
> process with PID 1. In addition, it adds lots of other functionality (DNS
> resolver, DCHP client, network configuration, desktop session
On Jun 29, 2017, at 20:45, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 3:32 AM, Richard Wilbur
> wrote:
>> Have you identified which signals are affected?
>
> no - i do not have access to equipment which will allow me to make
> such a
On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Jonathan Frederickson
wrote:
> People have always done this, it's just that the systemd folks are
> writing their own versions of lots of different services. And that's
> okay! You're free to use them, or not, as you choose.
...
when i was looking at taking over maintenance of depinit one of the
first tasks was to add full automated compatibility for initscripts.
signiicant advantages of depinit were lost in the process but there
was no loss when compared to sysvinit itself. individual initscripts
could then be replaced
Jonathan Frederickson writes:
>> this one example underscores that "freedom" - having access to the
>> source - is no longer the only factor, meaning that we are heavily and
>> critically deependent on decisions made by distro maintainers.
>
> Again, this has always
On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Troy Benjegerdes wrote:
> Gee, it's as if you're talking about bitcoin-core
bitcoin-core is not a critical and essential dependency which has
been forced onto 98% of GNU/Linux users without their informed
consent.
l.
On 07/03/2017 01:12 PM, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
> I'm not going to join this pro/anti systemd discussion as it is
> pointless at this point, but,
For the most part I agree with you, but I must admit I trust someone
with as much experience like Luke far more than systemd. But you are
free to avoid
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