Late and off-topic, but:
On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 04:02:51AM +0100, Wookey wrote:
> I've just installed unrar-free,
See also unar as a replacement for unrar-nonfree.
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On 2016-10-17 at 19:46:21 +0200, Elena ``of Valhalla'' wrote:
> I see that there has been a BOF_ about collaboration between Debian and
> the FSF at the latest Debconf, but I haven't seen the video, so I don't
> know what was said (yet, I may have just found something to watch in the
> near future)
On 2016-10-17 at 10:02:26 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> I wish Debian and the FSF would work together to resolve this issue.
They are, more or less: there has been quite some activity a few years
ago which lead to some changes, but work seems to have stalled
(the `mailing list`_ isn't seeing muc
> Which suggests the nonfree software integration the FSF spoke of is in
> there. After all, like you just said, if it's an opt-in away to get the
> nonfree software the nonfree repos are listed but not enabled until one
> answers "yes" to activate the nonfree repos Debian hosts. If this isn't the
On Sunday 16. October 2016 12.14.11 Philip Hands wrote:
>
> The fact that some of the "libre" OSs base themselves on Ubuntu strikes
> me as particularly deranged, given that Ubuntu is actually a step
> further away from what they want, but there you go.
I did find it rather odd that Trisquel had
Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton writes:
...
> the FSF's position there covers *everyone else*, who, by definition,
> cannot trust or be trusted to follow explicit written or verbal
> instructions, cannot cope with a command-line prompt, cannot
> comprehend the consequences of their actions, does no
On 2016-10-15 at 18:06:52 -0500, J.B. Nicholson wrote:
> Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > You can install an entirely free system with no non-free components.
> >
> > You can also install Debian without taking account of any recommends.
> But the recommends and suggests fields are still listing nonfre
On 10/16/16, Philip Hands wrote:
> "J.B. Nicholson" writes:
>
>> Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
>>> they're doing the best that they believe they can do, but they _have_
>>> been told. see joey hess's very public description of the Debian
>>> Charter as a "toxic document".
>>
>> I've seen h
On 10/16/16, Wookey wrote:
> On 2016-10-15 16:47 -0500, J.B. Nicholson wrote:
>
>> I too believe that Debian is hosting nonfree software and integrating
>> nonfree software with free software and this is indistinguishable from
>> what
>> other distros not listed do (such as Ubuntu's GNU/Linux).
>
On 10/15/16, J.B. Nicholson wrote:
> Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
> It's entirely possible something has changed and I am not aware of relevant
> updates on this (I don't doubt you're in touch with them far more than I
> am). Please do reply to the list with updates to this situation.
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On 2016-10-15 16:47 -0500, J.B. Nicholson wrote:
> I too believe that Debian is hosting nonfree software and integrating
> nonfree software with free software and this is indistinguishable from what
> other distros not listed do (such as Ubuntu's GNU/Linux).
There is a difference: Ubuntu will ins
Of course, you can install a fully free Debian system, but 1 single
dialog in setup wizard is a bit too little.
I would rather have the tickbox to install non-free repos somewhere deep
in preferences menu and I would certainly not host them on the
debian.org domain.
Ideally, you would only add no
"J.B. Nicholson" writes:
> Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
>> they're doing the best that they believe they can do, but they _have_
>> been told. see joey hess's very public description of the Debian
>> Charter as a "toxic document".
>
> I've seen https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/1
Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
You can install an entirely free system with no non-free components.
You can also install Debian without taking account of any recommends.
But the recommends and suggests fields are still listing nonfree software,
which was the FSF's issue. Not accepting the suggestio
On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 04:47:05PM -0500, J.B. Nicholson wrote:
> Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
>
> I've seen https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/11/msg00174.html where
> Hess makes this statement but I haven't seen anything written by Hess
> clearly explaining why the Debian Constitu
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