RE: The Vote-Cost of Scandal

2003-06-03 Thread Grey Thomas
I don't believe Gary Hart was ruined by "scandal", per se.
First, he supported a very unpopular, but I think kinda OK,
50 cent/gal tax on gasoline.  When gas about $1/ gal (including
taxes).  This made the unsure very unsure.
Only second did he publicly claim something like he
would never cheat/ have an affair ... and reporters are welcome
to follow him ... and then he did have an affair and it was
seen by the reporters who followed him.

It wasn't even so much hypocrisy, like Bennett's critics of his 
(because his gambling) moralizing -- it was Hart's public "lie".

"I am honest, no affairs, you can follow me" ... what a joke.

I actually think this was most like George I "read my lips" ... 
followed by a tax increase, and a total loss of credibility.

And as I write this, the flap about WMDs is because Bush II, and Blair,
essentially guaranteed that Iraq had them.  Not finding them becomes
a threat to their ability to guarantee anything; no trust, no vote.

Clinton's scandal(s) did not materially affect his supporter's trust
in him on the issues.

Tom Grey

---
Steve Miller wrote:

> Maybe what angers voters is not the scandal, but hypocrisy.  Someone who is
> perceived as "liberal" on social issues is less of a hypocrite for having an
> affair than is someone who runs on a "family values" platform.

Gary Hart was a liberal in good standing, but he is the textbook case of
a politician ruined by a scandal.  Clinton is probably a bigger
hypocrite given his effort to co-opt the family values stuff.
-- 
Prof. Bryan Caplan
  



Re: The Vote-Cost of Scandal

2003-06-03 Thread Steve Miller
But at least I've explained away Packwood, Livingston, etc. ;-)


on 6/3/03 12:23 AM, Bryan Caplan at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Steve Miller wrote:
> 
>> Maybe what angers voters is not the scandal, but hypocrisy.  Someone who is
>> perceived as "liberal" on social issues is less of a hypocrite for having an
>> affair than is someone who runs on a "family values" platform.
> 
> Gary Hart was a liberal in good standing, but he is the textbook case of
> a politician ruined by a scandal.  Clinton is probably a bigger
> hypocrite given his effort to co-opt the family values stuff.




Fw: economists find evidence for "Bronx effect"

2003-06-03 Thread alypius skinner
RACE, POVERTY, AND PERSONAL INJURY AWARDS

For years lawyers have talked about "the Bronx effect," the idea that 
juries from high-poverty areas with large minority populations favor 
injured plaintiffs.  But anecdotes aside, little hard evidence has 
been brought forward one way or the other. The paucity of analysis on 
the role of race and poverty in the American tort system  -- and 
growing interest in tort reform -- makes a new study published in the 
JOURNAL OF LEGAL STUDIES (v. 32 (1), Jan. 2003) all the more 
interesting.

According to the study's authors, economists Eric Helland and 
Alexander Tabarrok, research director of The Independent Institute, 
tort awards are significantly higher in counties and jury districts 
that have high black and Hispanic populations and poverty rates.

  Among Helland and Tabarrok's findings:

* As white poverty increases, jury awards decrease; but as black 
poverty increases, jury awards increase.

* A one percent increase in the black poverty rate is associated with 
a three to ten percent increase in the average size of a personal 
injury award.

* A one percent increase in the Hispanic poverty rate is associated 
with a seven percent increase in the average size of a personal 
injury award.

* Forum shopping for high-poverty minority counties could raise 
awards by hundreds of thousands of dollars.

See "Race, Poverty, and American Tort Awards: Evidence from Three 
Datasets," by Eric Helland and Alexander Tabarrok

http://www.independent.org/tii/lighthouse/LHLink5-22-1.html
(Requires university subscription to the Journal of Legal Studies).

http://www.independent.org/tii/lighthouse/LHLink5-22-2.html
(Scroll down for link to working paper pdf.)

Also see:

"Home Cooking a Class Action," by Alexander T. Tabarrok (5/5/02)
http://www.independent.org/tii/news/020508Tabarrok.html

The Independent Institute archive on litigation
http://www.independent.org/archive/litigation.html






Re: The Vote-Cost of Scandal

2003-06-03 Thread AdmrlLocke

In a message dated 6/3/03 12:32:32 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>Steve Miller wrote:
>
>> Maybe what angers voters is not the scandal, but hypocrisy.  Someone
>who is
>> perceived as "liberal" on social issues is less of a hypocrite for having
>an
>> affair than is someone who runs on a "family values" platform.
>
>Gary Hart was a liberal in good standing, but he is the textbook case of
>a politician ruined by a scandal.  Clinton is probably a bigger
>hypocrite given his effort to co-opt the family values stuff.

In all fairness Gary Hart was a pro-gun, pro-free-trade Democrat from 
Colorado (where I lived at the time) and thus was not a libera in good standing.  
Leaders of the liberal East Coast and Midwestern Democratic Party bitterly 
resented Hart's positions on the issues and their allies in the news media took Hart 
apart over his perceived infidelties even as they apologized later for 
Clinton's.

Which brings up another theory on why some politicians resign over scandals 
and some don't: that the mainstream news media has a heavy influence on public 
opinion, and that the same news media tend to favor liberals over 
conservatives, such that someone perceived by people in the media as conservative gets 
roasted while someone perceived as liberal gets cover sympathetically.  LIkewise 
Bobby Byrd, kind of Democatic party pork-barrel, gets a total pass on having 
actually belongs to the KKK, while Trent Lott gets roasted for making one 
complimentary comment about Strom Thurmond's presidential bid made before most of 
the current population was even born.

David Levenstam



Re: The Vote-Cost of Scandal

2003-06-03 Thread Bryan Caplan
Steve Miller wrote:

> Maybe what angers voters is not the scandal, but hypocrisy.  Someone who is
> perceived as "liberal" on social issues is less of a hypocrite for having an
> affair than is someone who runs on a "family values" platform.

Gary Hart was a liberal in good standing, but he is the textbook case of
a politician ruined by a scandal.  Clinton is probably a bigger
hypocrite given his effort to co-opt the family values stuff.
-- 
Prof. Bryan Caplan
   Department of Economics  George Mason University
http://www.bcaplan.com  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 "But being alone he had begun to conceive thoughts of
  his own unlike those of his brethren."

  --J.R.R. Tolkien, *The Silmarillion*



New Journal - Econ Journal Watch

2003-06-03 Thread Alex Tabarrok
 There is a new online journal that will start publishing in Jan. of 
2004 that some of you may be interested in. The journal is called Econ 
Journal Watch and will essentially be a journal of comments on papers 
published elsewhere. It will also include discussion about the economics 
profession and the role of the economist in society. More information 
can found here:

http://www.econjournalwatch.org/pdf/announcing_EJW.pdf

Alex

--
Alexander Tabarrok 
Department of Economics, MSN 1D3 
George Mason University 
Fairfax, VA, 22030 
Tel. 703-993-2314

Web Page: http://mason.gmu.edu/~atabarro/ 

and 

Director of Research 
The Independent Institute 
100 Swan Way 
Oakland, CA, 94621 
Tel. 510-632-1366 






Re: The Vote-Cost of Scandal

2003-06-03 Thread Steve Miller
Do I have to avoid a preference-based explanation?  What if I dig up some
evidence of trends in human behavior that support my claim?

Maybe what angers voters is not the scandal, but hypocrisy.  Someone who is
perceived as "liberal" on social issues is less of a hypocrite for having an
affair than is someone who runs on a "family values" platform.

But I can only pretend to know how most voters think.  Many surveys give me
a good idea of *what* they think, but why is another matter.


on 6/2/03 1:26 PM, Bryan Caplan at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> The Lewinsky scandal, according to most public opinion scholars,
> actually increased Clinton's popularity.  But even after Lewinsky,
> politicians have continued to resign or drop out of races in the face of
> similar scandals, and of course they did it for a long time before.
> What is going on?
> 
> 1.  The usual rules do not apply to Clinton - the public will punish
> other politicians for comparable actions.
> 2.  Politicians systematically overestimate voters' reactions.
> 3.  Public opinion has changed.  Pre-Clinton, scandals mattered.  Now
> they don't.  Politicians are still learning about this regime change.




The Vote-Cost of Scandal

2003-06-03 Thread Bryan Caplan
The Lewinsky scandal, according to most public opinion scholars, 
actually increased Clinton's popularity.  But even after Lewinsky, 
politicians have continued to resign or drop out of races in the face of 
similar scandals, and of course they did it for a long time before. 
What is going on?

1.  The usual rules do not apply to Clinton - the public will punish 
other politicians for comparable actions.
2.  Politicians systematically overestimate voters' reactions.
3.  Public opinion has changed.  Pre-Clinton, scandals mattered.  Now 
they don't.  Politicians are still learning about this regime change.
--
Prof. Bryan Caplan
   Department of Economics  George Mason University
http://www.bcaplan.com  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  "The game of just supposing
   Is the sweetest game I know...
   And if the things we dream about
   Don't happen to be so,
   That's just an unimportant technicality."
   Jerome Kern and Oscar Hammerstein, *Showboat*