Re: [asdf-devel] Enforcing pure *.asd files

2010-03-21 Thread Tobias C. Rittweiler
Juan Jose Garcia-Ripoll juanjose.garciarip...@googlemail.com writes: This is an idea that has been long floating in the back of my mind, and was brought back to life by these comments http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.lisp/msg/f99a69797eda1caf The problem is that many people use

Re: [asdf-devel] Enforcing pure *.asd files

2010-03-21 Thread Juan Jose Garcia-Ripoll
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Tobias C. Rittweiler t...@freebits.dewrote: There, however, seems to be an inherent dependency-vs-pureness problem with user extensions as illustrated by cffi-grovel; from [1]: ;;; CFFI-Grovel is needed for processing grovel-file components (cl:eval-when

Re: [asdf-devel] Enforcing pure *.asd files

2010-03-21 Thread Robert Goldman
On 3/21/10 Mar 21 -11:55 AM, Juan Jose Garcia-Ripoll wrote: On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Tobias C. Rittweiler t...@freebits.de mailto:t...@freebits.de wrote: There, however, seems to be an inherent dependency-vs-pureness problem with user extensions as illustrated by

Re: [asdf-devel] Enforcing pure *.asd files

2010-03-21 Thread Daniel Herring
On Sun, 21 Mar 2010, Robert Goldman wrote: On 3/21/10 Mar 21 -11:55 AM, Juan Jose Garcia-Ripoll wrote: - Add a field :asdf-support to list dependencies for the system itself. - Add a feature by which component types are registered with ASDF so that they can be named using keywords Are you

Re: [asdf-devel] Enforcing pure *.asd files

2010-03-21 Thread Robert Goldman
On 3/21/10 Mar 21 -9:16 PM, Daniel Herring wrote: On Sun, 21 Mar 2010, Robert Goldman wrote: On 3/21/10 Mar 21 -11:55 AM, Juan Jose Garcia-Ripoll wrote: - Add a field :asdf-support to list dependencies for the system itself. - Add a feature by which component types are registered with ASDF so

[asdf-devel] Enforcing pure *.asd files

2010-03-18 Thread Juan Jose Garcia-Ripoll
This is an idea that has been long floating in the back of my mind, and was brought back to life by these comments http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.lisp/msg/f99a69797eda1caf The problem is that many people use *.asd files to do things like building up packages, creating operations,

Re: [asdf-devel] Enforcing pure *.asd files

2010-03-18 Thread Robert Goldman
I can see Juanjo's point, but I would like to suggest that we defer this until ASDF 3; it's simply too much to bite off this time around, IMO. Suggestion: if the group thinks this is a good idea, let's 1. Add a future plans section to the manual 2. Insert a write-up about this proposal in

Re: [asdf-devel] Enforcing pure *.asd files

2010-03-18 Thread Juan Jose Garcia-Ripoll
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 10:04 PM, Robert Goldman rpgold...@sift.infowrote: I can see Juanjo's point, but I would like to suggest that we defer this until ASDF 3; it's simply too much to bite off this time around, IMO. I agree that it is hard to get this right. However, would it be ok if I

Re: [asdf-devel] Enforcing pure *.asd files

2010-03-18 Thread Robert Goldman
On 3/18/10 Mar 18 -4:31 PM, Juan Jose Garcia-Ripoll wrote: On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 10:04 PM, Robert Goldman rpgold...@sift.info mailto:rpgold...@sift.info wrote: I can see Juanjo's point, but I would like to suggest that we defer this until ASDF 3; it's simply too much to bite off

Re: [asdf-devel] Enforcing pure *.asd files

2010-03-18 Thread Faré
On 18 March 2010 16:41, Juan Jose Garcia-Ripoll juanjose.garciarip...@googlemail.com wrote: This is an idea that has been long floating in the back of my mind, and was brought back to life by these comments    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.lisp/msg/f99a69797eda1caf The problem is

Re: [asdf-devel] Enforcing pure *.asd files

2010-03-18 Thread Robert Goldman
On 3/18/10 Mar 18 -5:11 PM, Juan Jose Garcia-Ripoll wrote: On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Faré fah...@gmail.com mailto:fah...@gmail.com wrote: What about instead investing in XCVB? As much as I would like to have something simplify my life, it is not my choice to use one system

Re: [asdf-devel] Enforcing pure *.asd files

2010-03-18 Thread Juan Jose Garcia-Ripoll
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 11:18 PM, Robert Goldman rpgold...@sift.infowrote: Right. But do we have a clear understanding of what should and shouldn't go in there? E.g.: 1. currently if you need an ASDF extension in order to make a defsystem understandable [...] 2. New class and method

Re: [asdf-devel] Enforcing pure *.asd files

2010-03-18 Thread Juan Jose Garcia-Ripoll
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Robert Goldman rpgold...@sift.infowrote: I'm reluctant to endorse this suggestion, because it means that we will spawn YA information source to track. We'll have: 1. launchpad I ignored ASDF was using this. I have submitted a wishlist ticket but I was not

Re: [asdf-devel] Enforcing pure *.asd files

2010-03-18 Thread Juan Jose Garcia-Ripoll
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Faré fah...@gmail.com wrote: In other words, I think that supporting ASDF is important, but ultimately an evolutionary dead-end. That is hard to read from the project leaders. I feel rather neutral about this and please do not feel offended by the following

Re: [asdf-devel] Enforcing pure *.asd files

2010-03-18 Thread Faré
On 18 March 2010 18:37, Juan Jose Garcia-Ripoll juanjose.garciarip...@googlemail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Faré fah...@gmail.com wrote: In other words, I think that supporting ASDF is important, but ultimately an evolutionary dead-end. That is hard to read from the project

Re: [asdf-devel] Enforcing pure *.asd files

2010-03-18 Thread Robert Goldman
On 3/18/10 Mar 18 -5:27 PM, Juan Jose Garcia-Ripoll wrote: On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Robert Goldman rpgold...@sift.info mailto:rpgold...@sift.info wrote: I'm reluctant to endorse this suggestion, because it means that we will spawn YA information source to track. We'll have: