[Assam] AssamNet is OK now
Dear Raiz, Assamnet is now backand working fine. Due to server-side problem, it was down since morning (around 9:30 AM, India Time). We are extremely sorry for the inconvenience which was beyond our control. Regards, Babul Gogoi ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Intro of 'mikemahant'
Dear Sir, Eagerly waiting to meet you as soon as possible. My mobile no. is 9313970558. Regards Mridulmc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mridul, Thanks. We must meet at Delhi 25/26 etc. Let's have your TF. Remember the Polish Gent wanting help to do business with Xartheybari? I did look after him . mm From:Mridul Bhuyan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC:Assam@assamnet.orgSubject:Re: [Assam] Intro of 'mikemahant'Date:Sun, 9 Oct 2005 22:30:18 -0700 (PDT) Chan Da, I knew he is your brother. I had the opportunity to work with him while he was undertaking an contract from BHEL in the Waste Heat Thermal Power Plant in Namrup Thermal Power Station. I learnt from him how to work.He is very keen on practically doing every work and contrary tothe Indian engineers and believed in doing everything with his own hands as much as possible. Last, I knew of him is settling in Guwahati. He is indeed a great man. Regards MridulChan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear BK: I should have done this long back, that is to introduce my eldest brother, Mukul Mahanta, 70, to you all netters. But I avoided doing so purposely, because I had this guilt complex of hogging Assam Net bandwidth. What I did not need was the additional guilt of breeding nepotism also :-). Anyway, a number of netters know Mukul Dada personally here. You do too, just that his e-mail ID threw you off. For those who don't know him, for starters, he is NO bureaucrat :-) as Assam Tribune described him in the bio of PCG members. Mukul Dada grew up in Jorhat and Namti, went to Namti High School and matriculated from Jorhat Govt. High School, did his ISc from Cotton College,Guwahati and on to IIT-Kharagpur where he did his B.Tech and M.Tech in Electronics and Instrumentation ( one of the earliest Assamese in the field). He went to do post graduate studies at the Univ. of Southampton, UK, at the completion of which he joined the then Burmah Oil Company ( predecessor of OIL) in the UK and returned to lead the instrumentation of the oil pipelines in Assam. At the risk of sounding boastful, I cannot but state here that Mukul Dada is an Engineer's engineer, along with his social service and activism roles and an unabashed supporter of Assam's rights to self determination . He had every opportunity to leave, like so many of us did. But instead he returned to Assam after decades in Kolkata as a consulting engineer, factory manager and import substitution design engineer,where he went after his stint with BOC, to help Assam in many different arenas, including bamboo utilization and propagation ( much before it became fashionable to do so), affordable housing, water decontamination systems, power generation installations among others. He studied flood and erosion alleviation systems for the Brahmaputra and has just returned from China, where he went at the invitation of Shanghai Institute of Clean Coal Technology to look into getting technology from China/Russia to convert GAS/COAL/BIOMASS to Methanol in Assam. He has been a singular source of inspiration, not only for us, his son and six brothers and sisters but for many others not only in Assam but elsewhere in India as well. Best, c At 7:05 AM -0400 10/9/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Mike I didn't know that you're a Namti boy. Do tell me about yourself. And a big thank you for your compliment. I should say you made by my day. My wife and I are now in holiday in Torreviaje,Spain where we've a bungalow. We're basking in sunshine, 30 degrees. Regards Bhuban Torreviaje, Spain ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
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[Assam] Dakhsinatya should support Assam Sovereignty restoration, your turn on the card.
. An opportunity not to be missed http://www.hindu.com/2005/10/10/stories/2005101000571000.htmThe Centre's readiness to meet a set of representatives named by the United Liberation front of Asom to facilitate a peace process is a positive development for Assam. Drawn from different walks of life and led by noted writer Indira Goswami, the facilitators ULFA calls them the People's Consultative Group are reportedly to meet officials for "preliminary talks" on October 25 and 26. But considering the curious circumstances in which ULFA suddenly announced the formation of the PCG, it is difficult to judge if these meetings can provide the foundation for an enduring peace process. The PCG came into existence on September 7, a week after the Army began an operation in the dense Dibru-Saikhowa forests on the Assam-Arunachal Pradesh border. Whether or not ULFA intended this as a tactic to mobilise public support to get the Army off its back in the immediate context, that is exactly how it turned out: the PCG intervened on ULFA's behalf; the Army called off the operation. The Army's denials that the two were linked conflict with claims by PCG emissaries that they influenced the Centre to go easy on ULFA with the assurance that the group is now ready for talks. If the PCG's claim is indeed correct, the task of bringing ULFA to the table now rests squarely with these emissaries. It is as yet unclear if ULFA's willingness to talk, as communicated by its handpicked facilitators to the Centre, means that the group will no more insist that peace negotiations must focus on its demand of sovereignty. This was a stumbling block to previous efforts at starting a peace process between the two sides. But this was not the only problem. After all, the Centre is engaged in a peace process with the National Socialist Council of Nagaland (Isak-Muivah), even though Naga sovereignty is one of the main demands of the group. The other obstacle was ULFA's reluctance to be drawn into a formal ceasefire agreement with the Centre. Only two weeks ago, Defence Minister Pranab Mukherjee reiterated that talks were ruled out "unless and until the ground rules are framed and both sides the Centre and the ULFA agree to a ceasefire." Presumably, the Centre's meetings with the PCG will sort out this issue. For governments everywhere, talking peace with a group that uses terrorism to achieve its goals is a tricky exercise, and ULFA is among the most ruthless in the business. Some of its recent strikes in Assam have only reaffirmed this. But the Centre should not ignore even the smallest opportunity to break the spiral of violence and terror in Assam. The peace overtures by ULFA represent such an opportunity. Nonetheless, there is much to be cautious about. Peace talks, direct or through emissaries, should not be allowed to become an opportunity for ULFA, which has been greatly weakened in recent years both in terms of its fighting capabilities and the public support it commands to regroup and bide its time to hit out once again. FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar MSN Toolbar Get it now! ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] Fwd: [Assam Society] Mizo farmer's staple food will be biodiesel
Title: Fwd: [Assam Society] Mizo farmer's staple food will be bio X-IronPort-AV: i=3.97,191,1125892800; d=scan'208,217; a=325493416:sNHT23775344 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lima; d=yahoogroups.com; b=k1F3eXkaARw5LTBK7x8xSgH5BMLub5Ws9Jk8YQhvZ7xsHmih3EJ7PLulDO8t4Qca32RcmUJlwR8TdFgMYfCfntRayDetz1qV0vuoKaErdlMf3vqkaq0MJYoRIZ4zLV+v; X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Apparently-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Originating-IP: 202.43.219.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 4:13:32:0 From: River Basin Friends\(NE\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Yahoo-Profile: riverbasinfriends Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mailing-List: list [EMAIL PROTECTED]; contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: AssamSociety.yahoogroups.com List-Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:00:33 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Assam Society] Mizo farmer's staple food will be biodiesel Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear friends , Willany community survive if mono culture is introduced and biodiversity is ruptured, where as market will be controlled by others and local farming system which supports the lively hood now will be replaced by JATROPHA,let usthink about Mizoram's tribal community after five years . Jatropha toxicity is well studied around the world. The reference literatures are full of information about its toxic effects. At the website http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/duke_energy/Jatropha_curcas.html#To xicity.The website http://www.inchem.org/documents/pims/plant/jcurc.htm scientific evidences of Jatropha poisoning. The senior natives of Chhattisgarh are also aware of its harmful effects. They explain its effects in simple words'Ek Beeja Se Pet Saf Hothe, Du Se Au, Teen Se Aspatal aur Char Se Upar' (One seed clears the motion, two results in more, three takes to hospital and four to God). regards ravi Mizoram aims to become largest Jatropha grower AIZAWL, Oct 8 Agriculture Minister H Rammawi has expressed hope that Mizoram can be the largest Jatropha producing state in the country. We will try to make Mizoram the largest Jatropha producing state in India. This is possible with our climate which is perfect for the oil-bearing plant and our large area of arable land. Mizo farmers can use the plant to substitute it for rice grown according to traditional shifting jhum cultivation, the minister told officials of the D1 Oils India (Private) Limited. On invitation from the state Agriculture minister, Steve Doury, a London-based reg! ional director and Surju Singh, chairman and managing director of D1 Oils India (P) Limited had a meeting with the state Horticulture officials and Mizoram Intodelhna (self-sufficiency) Project officials on their arrival here recently. The states Horticulture department is tying up with the D1 Oils India company on a buy-back policy on produce. According to the MoU, the company will take up Jatropha cultivation in Mizoram in one lakh hectare from the next kharif season. The company will provide seeds and buy back the produce, Samuel Rosanglura, director of Horticulture said today. The Horticulture department has already introduced Jatropha plantation under the Cengtral scheme of Horticulture Mission. It has distributed 600 quintals of Jatropha seeds to rural farmers this year. http://www.assamtribune.com River Basin Friends AKAJAN District-Dhemaji.787059. Assam. India E [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your partner now. We appreciate your contribution to Assam Society of America! YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group AssamSociety on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] Get off the India Merry-go-Round join a regional confederated solution, Muivah
Naga leader plays federal card http://www.telegraphindia.com/1051010/asp/nation/story_5340527.asp?headline=Naga~leader~plays~federal~card~On~the~eve~of~the~next~round~of~talks~in~the~Naga~peace~process~at~the~Thai~capital,~Thuingalen.. |~Read.. ~~~Iraq~at~crossroads,~Delhi~does~an~ostrich~In~less~than~a~week,~Iraq~will~be~at~the~crossroads~of~its~destiny,~but~New~Delhi~has~completel.. |~Read.. ~~ Melting-pot~marvel~takes~a~blowBHARAT BHUSHANBangkok, Oct. 9: On the eve of the next round of talks in the Naga peace process at the Thai capital, Thuingaleng Muivah, general secretary of the National Socialist Council of Nagaland (Isak-Muivah), has proposed a bold plan to settle the issue.It consists of negotiating a close and irreversible federal relationship with Delhi, recognising and addressing Indian security concerns and a step-wise and peaceful process for the integration of Naga areas. All this, according to Muivah, of course hinges on India respecting the ceasefire and giving up its treacherous attempts to use the ceasefire extensions, in the hope of attrition in our ranks or under the illusion that over time we would be weakened and worn out. He urged the Indian leadership to get on with the business of settling the Naga issue instead.Describing the decision to seek a close federal relationship with India as positive and bold, the Naga leader said: It has taken a lot of time for us to come to this conclusion. If the Nagas withdraw from this position, then you would once again have a situation that existed 50 years ago. Does India want that? Do Indian leaders not realise how far the Nagas have come today to settle all issues with them?Today we have come up to your drawing room for peace talks. Dont expect us to sit there forever. If India does not settle with us even now, it would be another failure of statesmanship, the Naga leader argued.Elaborating on the proposed federal relationship, Muivah said such an arrangement should guarantee the distinct political and territorial identity of the Nagas.For this we are prepared to explore an appropriate federal relationship made sacrosanct in an agreement that cannot be changed unilaterally by either side in future, he said.He explained that within the federal framework, we can share the various competencies in such a way that they serve the interest of both New Delhi and the Nagas. By competencies, Muivah means the subjects of governance that would define the areas of authority of Delhi and the Nagas.The Naga leader said he fully appreciated Indian security concerns. That is why we are suggesting that in the event of any external threat, the Naga homeland would be defended jointly by the Indian armed forces and the Nagas. As for the Nagas themselves, we would never be a threat to India. So which aspect of Indian security apprehensions have we not addressed? he asked.On the question of integration of the Naga-inhabited areas, Muivahs proposal could eventually lead to a breakthrough. Describing the desire of the Nagas to live together as both reasonable and natural, Muivah suggested a two-stage process for achieving integration.First, we want that the legitimacy of this desire should not be denied. Then, we can work together with New Delhi to implement this peacefully and in a time-bound manner. We are open to a dialogue with our neighbours if they also feel that the issue should be settled by trying to understand each other, he said.Muivah claimed that this was a very reasonable way of settling the Naga issue. He said: It is the first time in our history that such a reasonable position is being articulated. We want the Indian government and people to understand this. It is simply not possible for the Nagas to go beyond this.However, almost as a matter of caution, he concluded by saying: But do not make the mistake of taking our reasonableness for weakness. That would be a grave error of judgement. FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar MSN Toolbar Get it now! ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] Hindustani Pujas + Baruas also, a RAW report to prove Indianisation of Assam?
Durga Puja festivities begin in Assam GUWAHATI, OCT 10 (PTI) The three-day Durga Puja festivities began here today amidst the beating of drums with devotees thronging pandals all over the city. More than 300 community pujas are being held here while there are several others organised privately in homes. A highlight of the celebrations this year are illuminations with themes ranging from Rongmon - the symbol of the National Games scheduled to be held here in 2006, a giant-sized Mahisashura, depiction of the seasons, training of security personnel, the 9/11 attack and even the sinking of the Titanic. Navratri Pujas are being held in the famed Kamakhya Temple, the seat of Shakti tradition, with devotees from various parts of the country flocking to it. The temple precincts are closed to devotees early in the day when priests, sadhus and yogis hold special prayers. Elaborate security arrangements have been made by police to ensure an incident-free Puja this year, while traffic arrangements have been streamlined, official sources said here. The oldest family puja organised here is by the Barua family at their home on the riverside in Uzanbazar. It was started by two brothers Durga Prasad Barua and Kali Prasad Barua during the reign of Ahom ruler Kandapeshwar Singha in the 19th century and their descendants have kept the tradition alive. ?Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messenger Download today it's FREE! ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] From NY Times-Scientists Renew a Warning About a Himalayan Danger Zone
Title: From NY Times-Scientists Renew a Warning About a Himalayan Let us not forget that Assam and Arunachal are wrapped by the shallow fault-line that forms the northern edge of the Indian Plate this article refers to. Movements of shallow faults are especially devastating. The Sunbansiri dam, and the proposed Middle Siyang dam sit right on this fault line or very close by. cm Evidence Scientists Renew a Warning About a Himalayan Danger Zone By KENNETH CHANG Published: October 10, 2005 Great earthquakes - magnitude 8 or larger - occurred in the Himalayas in 1803, 1833, 1897, 1905, 1934 and 1950. But in the last half century, the region has been relatively quiet, with no earthquakes anywhere near the one with a magnitude of 7.6 that struck northern Pakistan on Saturday. That calm may have given a false sense of security to growing populations living there. Those of us in the business knew we were overdue, said Peter Molnar, a professor of geological sciences at the University of Colorado. Dr. Molnar was a co-author of a 2001 article in the journal Science that looked at the history of Himalayan earthquakes and how much tectonic stress is building up as the Indian subcontinent crashes into Asia. A Vulnerable Region The Science article warned, Several lines of evidence show that one or more great earthquakes may be overdue in a large fraction of the Himalaya, threatening millions of people in that region. Steven G. Wesnousky, director of the Center for Neotectonic Studies at the University of Nevada, Reno, said earthquakes with magnitudes similar to the one on Saturday could occur at almost any time along any part of the Himalayas. It might not occur for 10 to 20 years, but if it occurred tomorrow, it wouldn't be a surprise, he said. Furthermore, quakes like the one on Saturday are really relatively small compared to the largest earthquakes that zone is capable of producing, Dr. Wesnousky said. That's the scary part. The Indian subcontinent slides northward about 1.6 inches a year as part of the natural movement of continental plates. Half of that motion is absorbed farther to the north in Asia, but the other half goes to pushing up the Himalayan mountains, continually building up strain in the rocks. Dr. Wesnousky and his colleagues have found that one or two mega-earthquakes, magnitude 8.5 to 9, struck sometime in the 1400's or 1500's. He said it was not yet clear whether the faults all broke at once or whether two sections broke at different times to cause two quakes. For a quake with the magnitude of the one on Saturday - or the one of about the same magnitude in San Francisco in 1906 - the fault slips perhaps 3 to 6 yards. In a mega-earthquakes, the fault slips up to five times as much. We see displacements on the order of 15 or 20 meters or more that occurred during these earthquakes, Dr. Wesnousky said. Geologists' understanding of the earthquakes is inadequate for predicting whether the earthquake on Saturday will lead to a larger, more catastrophic one. There isn't really anything we can say, Dr. Wesnousky said. It's difficult to say whether they are a foreshock or not. Dr. Wesnousky said indications so far were that it took a fault 1,000 years to build up enough strain to unleash a mega-earthquake. Because the last mega-earthquakes occurred about 500 years ago, the next mega-earthquakes could be several centuries in the future. On the other hand, a section of the fault near Nepal may not have broken since about the year 1100, so it may be due. The Asian continent - not including Japan - has also been quiet in recent decades. Dr. Molnar said that from 1897 to 1957, there were 10 to 15 earthquakes as large as or larger than the one on Saturday. Then, nothing of comparable magnitude until 2001, Dr. Molnar said, though there were two of magnitude 7.5 in China in the 1970's. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Fwd: [Assam Society] Mizo farmer's staple food will bebiodiesel
Title: RE: [Assam] Fwd: [Assam Society] Mizo farmer's
staple food
They all survive out of India's Peace
Dividend.
*** While it might be a cool way to live high on the hog on
Mother_India's handouts, it cannot last for ever. In the meantime,
what better way neutralize a restive population than to create
states that produce little, have few resources and thus
making them thoroughly dependent on 'mai-baap's largesse ?
Mono-culture is a great way to rob indigenous peoples' autonomy
by making them slaves to markets controlled by others. Imagine the day
when Jathropa oil suddenly becomes unattractive and its price
plummets? Like the tea that so many rural Assamese took to planting
with the big tea houses now paying little for it.
At 9:48 PM +0530 10/10/05, mc mahant wrote:
I visited Mizoram in 1984. Just one
Road and row of houses both sides. You could give a letter
addressed to any Mizoramian(no stamps needed)to any truck driver
heading uphill from Silchar--and you are sure it will be delivered
without fail at the correct doorstep.
That is the population density. They all
survive out of India's Peace Dividend. They do live
in style. Yet they produce nothing. The land gives nothing. Steep
slope. No plains, no water retention at all. Ginger grows. Grapes are
growing very well.But dilemma is that their own zealots have
banned all drinks-so no winemaking. Assam can consume all
thewine they can produce-but nobody teaches the Assamese
Wine Shopsthe difference between Beer, Rum ,whiskey and
Wine. So no customer demands Wine. So the fine Grape Crop goes
waste.
Did I see some Assam Netter wanting a
viable investment opportunity in Assam --well this one !
All -Jatrophain Mizoram may bring
in some cash for a while. But the people will have no food security
for themselves for along time. This is dangerous. I hope they won't be
so reckless.
mm
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Subject: [Assam Society] Mizo farmer's staple food will be
biodiesel
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Dear friends ,
Willany community survive if mono culture is
introduced and biodiversity is ruptured, where as market will be
controlled by others and local farming system which supports the
lively hood now will be replaced by JATROPHA,let usthink about
Mizoram's tribal community after five years .
Jatropha toxicity is well studied
around the world. The reference
literatures are full of information about its toxic effects. At the
website
http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/duke_energy/Jatropha_curcas.html#To
xicity.The website http://www.inchem.org/documents/pims/plant/jcurc.htm
scientific evidences of Jatropha
poisoning.
The senior natives of Chhattisgarh
are also aware of its harmful effects. They explain its effects in
simple words'Ek Beeja Se Pet Saf Hothe, Du Se Au, Teen Se Aspatal aur
Char Se Upar' (One seed clears the motion, two results in more, three
takes to hospital and four to God).
regards
ravi
Mizoram aims to become largest Jatropha
grower
AIZAWL, Oct 8 Agriculture Minister H Rammawi has
expressed hope that Mizoram can be the largest Jatropha producing
state in the country.
We will try to make Mizoram the largest Jatropha producing state in
India. This is possible with our climate which is perfect for the
oil-bearing plant and our large area of arable land.
Mizo farmers can use the plant to substitute it for rice grown
according to traditional shifting jhum cultivation, the minister
told officials of the D1 Oils India (Private) Limited.
On invitation from the state Agriculture minister, Steve Doury, a
London-based reg! ional director and Surju Singh, chairman and
managing director of D1 Oils India (P) Limited had a meeting with the
state Horticulture officials and Mizoram Intodelhna (self-sufficiency)
Project officials on their arrival here recently.
The states Horticulture department is tying up with the D1 Oils
India company on a
[Assam] Fwd: Wrong interpretation
hi bg, thanks for your time to reply, but the following message neither appeared in assamnet or it could be found in the archive (just checked the archive, after reading your email). are you approving selected messages only? bidyut -- Forwarded message --From: Bidyut Kakati [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Oct 9, 2005 2:26 PM Subject: Wrong interpretationTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Bhubon and Maiki: What Geeta talks is not same as Caste today, because caste today is by birth. Geeta did not talk of by birth but by virtue. For example Parashar, Byash and Viswamitra did not have Brahmin parents (Manusamhita talks how they become Brahman). Similarly, Parasuram was not born to Kshyatriya parents. So it was a wrong interpretation to say God created the caste system - if you compare with today's cast system. My two cents :) On 10/9/05, mc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bhubon Kakaideo, YOU REPLY AS A GOOD IMPARTIAL INTELLECTUAL SHOULD DO--ALL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. We are proud to be your fellow Namti children and maybe being taught by the same great Khagen Barboruah. mm From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Assam] Rediff: US lawmakers flay India for human rights abuseDate: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 02:11:04 EDT I think I can attempt to answer Mike's basic questions at least partially. Dalit and Untouchables are not words to be found in the Hindu scriptures. The Geeta, however, mentions that God created the caste system (Varnas) according to an individual's ability to perform a job satisfactorily. It is like a strong man being asked to carry a heavy bundle and a person good at maths being asked to do accountancy. The concept of dignity of labour did not develop in India and the stratification of the society based on one's profession was the result. The learned man was respected while the person cleaning the toilet was looked down upon. Since the sons and daughters continued to do what their parents did, an entire community began either to be worshipped or looked down upon. Today the so-called Dalits have formed powerful organisations and the internet will provide you an wealth of knowledge on the subject. The learned Manu, the Hindu law-giver, has nothing to do with untouchability. He has, however, been much reviled for ill-treating Hindu women. I suppose the poor man was stating the law as it then stood. In Assam the society was grouped on different lines. There were no barbers; in the villages people helped each other. There were no toilet cleaners as people defecated in the open fields. There are people in India who help in the burial process (I forget what they are called, I understand there are many of them in the burning ghats of Benares). In Assam villagers did not require such help. Assamese women made their own clothes; so there were no low-class weavers or tailors in our society. Today of course things are changing. Muslim rulers at first tried to convert the people but it was a formidable task. They gave up. The caste system ultimately survived even during the Mughal rule. It is not that untouchability was completely absent in Assam but its practice was not as bad as in the rest of India. What is worst is the psychosis that the caste system has created in the minds of people. More on that at another opportunity Bhuban ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Fwd: Wrong interpretation
Bidyut There is no difference between you and me. What I said wason the basis of the Geeta. There Krishna said that he created the Varnas according to an individual's suitability to provide a particular service. I do not have a copy of the Geeta with me now. I myself didn't know about it; Umesh sent it to me on request.Umesh, I am sure, will oblige if requested. The cases cited prove the point. Of course the original idea misfired at the end. Bhuban ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] PCG Other matters
Dear Mukul You mentioned about Khagen Barbarua. He was indeed a good teacher, a revolutionary and a successful politician. We learned a lot from him. However, I was not strictly one of his disciples. My father didn't like his politics and being just a child I believed in what my father taught me. Nevertheless Khagen Barbarua maintained very friendly relations with my father and us. All the Good Luck to you for your historical journey to Delhi.You'vecarried out many difficult technical and administrativetaks in your life with credit: this one will be another challenge in an entirely different field.People of Assam are behind you. Regards Bhuban ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] Indian Health Ministry - to patent Yoga postures
Thats a good move! But Yoga is not just about postures -which is just to improve one's physique. Umesh INDIA: GOVERNMENT TEAM TO CONTROL YOGA HERITAGE http://www.adnki.com/index_2Level.php?cat=Trendsloid=8.0.215680098par=0 Mumbai, 6 Oct. (AKI) - Yoga has to remain an Indian discipline. It's in this spirit New Delhi's health minister has approved a project of almost three million euros to protect on the international level, the patent on the postures involved in this thousand-year-old discipline that is an _expression_ of Indian culture and religion, which the West has been trying to get a hold of after it gained worldwide popularity. A team of experts will produce a digital document on the 1,500 asana or yoga postures, to be translated in English, French, German, Spanish, Chinese and Japanese, and distributed in 11 countries.Under the supervision of V. K. Gupta - a health ministry expert - the team, which can count on the collaboration of more than 100 members and 15 Indian religious schools, examined 16 Vedic texts (Hindu sacred texts) to illustrate yoga's historical origins and evolution, said patent lawyer K.M. Gopakumar.In the West, yoga generates huge revenues in the range of billions of euros. Many improvised gurus, of Indian origin, start up their own yoga business. The Indian health ministry has recorded more than a thousand yoga-related websites run by these "gurus" who publicise yoga postures and practices claiming that they are their original creation and therefore protected with an international patent and covered by copyrights. Once the Indian government's document is issued, the so called life-style gurus cannot claim copyright and allege infringement by others", said Gopakumar.In the United States, in Europe and Japan at least 150 yoga postures are covered by patents, says the health ministry. In the US alone 2,300 yoga schools and yoga practices have copyrights.Yoga is also connected to health, as underlined by the Indian health ministry's project, which aims to protect this wide religious, scientific and cultural heritage, which includes 75,000 formulas of ayurvedic medicine and 50,000 formulas of unani herbal remedies. --- Courtsey: www.hinduismtoday.com To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre.___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Hindustani Pujas + Baruas also, a RAW report to prove Indianisation of Assam?
I wonder Durga Puja has to do with Indianization . Does it mean tha Hindus all over the world are trying to Indianize the world - or is it possible that they are trying to practise their faith. I wonder what you think of muslims practising Ramajan these days in Assam. UmeshBartta Bistar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Durga Puja festivities begin in Assam GUWAHATI, OCT 10 (PTI) The three-day Durga Puja festivities began here today amidst the beating of drums with devotees thronging pandals all over the city. More than 300 community pujas are being held here while there are several others organised privately in homes. A highlight of the celebrations this year are illuminations with themes ranging from Rongmon - the symbol of the National Games scheduled to be held here in 2006, a giant-sized Mahisashura, depiction of the seasons, training of security personnel, the 9/11 attack and even the sinking of the Titanic. Navratri Pujas are being held in the famed Kamakhya Temple, the seat of Shakti tradition, with devotees from various parts of the country flocking to it. The temple precincts are closed to devotees early in the day when priests, sadhus and yogis hold special prayers. Elaborate security arrangements have been made by police to ensure an incident-free Puja this year, while traffic arrangements have been streamlined, official sources said here. The oldest family puja organised here is by the Barua family at their home on the riverside in Uzanbazar. It was started by two brothers Durga Prasad Barua and Kali Prasad Barua during the reign of Ahom ruler Kandapeshwar Singha in the 19th century and their descendants have kept the tradition alive. ? Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messenger Download today it's FREE! ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org How much mail storage do you get for free? Yahoo! Mail gives you 1GB! Get Yahoo! Mail___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] Country Profile: Vatican' s Religious Freedom record versus Saudi Arabia; EU Turkey
http://atheism.about.com/library/world/bl_VaticanFacts.htm Hi, After reading about European Union's members emphasis on secular Turkey's Muslim heritage - and opposition to Turkey's membership of EUon this issue by Austria etc(Hitler was born and brought up in Austria and fought WWI on its behalf - later went to Germany)--- I was rather surprised. It reminded me of the economic boycott of the Jews in Germany by Hitler's Nazis. At Jefferson Memorial in Washington DC - I saw etched on the walls - the USprinciple of Right to freedom to practice any faith. Perhaps US is very different that European nations in this regard - and definitely more secular. I was reminded about Pope Benedict's (a German)comments opposing Turkey's mebership to EU some years back. Now I wonder whether the Pope is a votary of secularism - given that he heads a country. FYI - Vatican is a country with the Pope as its head - which sends diplomats in countries across the globe -some work as religous heads - but seek diplomatic immunity -as currently in Italy when a senior member is inducted in financial fraud. So if Vatican's members seek diplomatic immunity in other countries - they must be held accountable to the principles of secularism. I wonder if Vatican allows Muslims or Hindus or Buddhists to assemble and practice their faith and build their places of worship etc Saudi Arabia is considered the most extreme in repressing other religions becos it does not allow all other religions to be practised on its soil. Any views? Umesh To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre.___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] You must GO GOI!
thats a surpising analysis! Umesh " "It was the strategy of the BJP and they are behind it. They are encouraging the minorities to form the political party" he alleged and claimed that the minorities' support was with the Congress"Bartta Bistar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gogoi ready to take part in Centre-ULFA talks http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1514028,0008.htmPress Trust of IndiaNew Delhi,October 9, 2005 Welcoming the proposed peace talks between an ULFA-appointed People's Consultative Group and the Centre, Assam Chief Minister Tarun Gogoi on Sunday said he was ready to participate in the parleys if need be. "If they (ULFA) want my involvement, I will definitely participate in the talks," he said and termed the Centre's offer of negotiating with the proscribed militant outfit as an "important step" towards bringing peace in the state. The Centre on October 4 decided to hold talks with the PCG on October 25 and 26 after a meeting between Jnanpith winning Assamese writer Indira Goswami, mediating between the Centre and ULFA, and National Security Advisor MK Narayanan. Goswami had also requested Narayanan to include Gogoi in the talks, and according to her, the Centre had agreed to involve the Chief Minister. Gogoi said on Sunday, "we all look forward to bringing peace to Assam and I will extend all kinds of cooperation to the peace initiative." Asked about the reported dissidence against him as well as the formation of a political party by some minorities in the state, the Chief Minister said there was no threat to his leadership and the BJP was behind the floating of the political outfit. "It was the strategy of the BJP and they are behind it. They are encouraging the minorities to form the political party" he alleged and claimed that the minorities' support was with the Congress Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messenger Download today it's FREE! ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre.___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] Kashmir Quake : Only hope is the army - civil adm fails the victims?
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Re: [Assam] Intro of 'mikemahant'; PCG and negotiations
I would be interested in knowing what does he plan to do if he were given a free hand in running the affairs of Assam - what steps would he take to improve the situation Just you wait! First let the ULFA and GOI talk like family members wanting to separate. And letthe Karta? agree to let the son go separate. And the separated son sets up a home and starts living with a housewarming party. Will the larger family join and help in the merrymaking or set fire to his new home --that is the question? Reciprocity is the keyword. If India ever wants to be aGREAT nation, shed the NE now . A growing Cancer can pull the host down FAST. And India can still hire me as an Emergency Retriever--after letting Ulfa take Assam away.Serious! mm From:umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To:Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC:Assam@assamnet.orgSubject:Re: [Assam] Intro of 'mikemahant'; PCG and negotiationsDate:Tue, 11 Oct 2005 00:09:36 +0100 (BST) C-da and Mukul-da (Mike), It is heartening to note that Mukul-da is in Assam and helping in its upliftment through technology and business enterprise. C-da had indeed mentioned about his two elder brothers who had graduated from IIT-Kharagpur before him - when I was seeking his support and advice in helping a former female student of minefrom Jaipur School - who ultimately joined the Architecture Division at the said IIT - the same from which C-da graduated. She is now in the second year there and the first female student from Jaipur School in any IIT. It is heartening to note that he has used his expertise in identifying and developing new technologies in various areas - such as affordable housing, de-contamination of water, import substitution etc. I have been replying to his mails in a friendly collegial manner - as if he were a twenty something young man - as is definitely his spirit -visible from his emails. My only query is that he has not specified why he feels that ULFA is right in demanding a separate nation. Ofcourse, in his first email only he had exhorted all members of AssamNet to join ULFA through internet even - so his faith in ULFA is unquestioned. I would be interested in knowing what does he plan to do if he were given a free hand in running the affairs of Assam - what steps would he take to improve the situation. This negotiation between Indian Govt and PCG (on behalf of ULFA) reminds me of a negotiation I had undertaken on behalf of a close friend of mine - with his parents. The Story of a rebellious son: He - then a first year student - and son of a top and honestpolice Officer (then DIG) had run away from his home to Delhi determined to be free from the dictates of his authoritarian father. His father went in the police car to Delhi (alongwith my father) in cold winter of January - where his son was staying in a slum and working as a bus conductor. Despite all police arrangements to capture him - my friend escaped from his room - and later came to me for advice and money - then I was a third year student at Delhi Univ and had left my addresswith his landlord.By that time he had successfuly appeared for job interviews in many sales firms and wanted a career in business - his father being adamant that the son try for a govt job. On the assurance from his family that he be allowed to return to Delhi with meif talks did not work out fine - we went to his home. His angry father was still determined that the son follow his dictates.But seeing that we both were getting up to go back toDelhi his mother assured him and me that if he completes hiscollege they would let him seek a career of his own choice - and if anytime during his stay he felt like leaving for Delhi - he could discuss the matter once again with them - he placed full faith in me - and I was determined to support my friend -even at the cost of offending his family. I was afraid that his father might get me in jail for misleading his son - if he really got angry with me too and became unreasonable. Fortunately, despite some hiccups - he stayed on an completed his college with high marks. Started off as a salesman in Asian Paints in their rural region (to work away from his home) and now is a successful manager based in Lucknow - the former bus conductor now travels by aeroplane to go to official meets - and is ahead of many IIM graduates in his company. Now seeking to go for a MBA degree. I drew the conclusion that if he had not rebelled - his parents would not have relented inletting him pursue his dream career . But if his parents had not been considerate he would have perhaps not completed college and maybe his career would not have turned out as successful as it is now. GOI and ULFA- PCG: If I were negotiating with GOI - I would first be clear about what I want to do - if given the freedom to do so. If the aims and means to achieve those aims appear reasonalble - then the terms of that freedom can be
Re: [Assam] Intro of 'mikemahant'; PCG and negotiations
Mukul-da, I think you are not realising that that no parent would let his son or daughterleave the family home -unless they are reasonably certain that there is not other solution- that the aims of the children cannot be met in any other way except by leaving the house. But What are those aims?? Umeshmc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would be interested in knowing what does he plan to do if he were given a free hand in running the affairs of Assam - what steps would he take to improve the situation Just you wait! First let the ULFA and GOI talk like family members wanting to separate. And letthe Karta? agree to let the son go separate. And the separated son sets up a home and starts living with a housewarming party. Will the larger family join and help in the merrymaking or set fire to his new home --that is the question? Reciprocity is the keyword. If India ever wants to be aGREAT nation, shed the NE now . A growing Cancer can pull the host down FAST. And India can still hire me as an Emergency Retriever--after letting Ulfa take Assam away.Serious! mm From:umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To:Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC:Assam@assamnet.orgSubject:Re: [Assam] Intro of 'mikemahant'; PCG and negotiationsDate:Tue, 11 Oct 2005 00:09:36 +0100 (BST) C-da and Mukul-da (Mike), It is heartening to note that Mukul-da is in Assam and helping in its upliftment through technology and business enterprise. C-da had indeed mentioned about his two elder brothers who had graduated from IIT-Kharagpur before him - when I was seeking his support and advice in helping a former female student of minefrom Jaipur School - who ultimately joined the Architecture Division at the said IIT - the same from which C-da graduated. She is now in the second year there and the first female student from Jaipur School in any IIT. It is heartening to note that he has used his expertise in identifying and developing new technologies in various areas - such as affordable housing, de-contamination of water, import substitution etc. I have been replying to his mails in a friendly collegial manner - as if he were a twenty something young man - as is definitely his spirit -visible from his emails. My only query is that he has not specified why he feels that ULFA is right in demanding a separate nation. Ofcourse, in his first email only he had exhorted all members of AssamNet to join ULFA through internet even - so his faith in ULFA is unquestioned. I would be interested in knowing what does he plan to do if he were given a free hand in running the affairs of Assam - what steps would he take to improve the situation. This negotiation between Indian Govt and PCG (on behalf of ULFA) reminds me of a negotiation I had undertaken on behalf of a close friend of mine - with his parents. The Story of a rebellious son: He - then a first year student - and son of a top and honestpolice Officer (then DIG) had run away from his home to Delhi determined to be free from the dictates of his authoritarian father. His father went in the police car to Delhi (alongwith my father) in cold winter of January - where his son was staying in a slum and working as a bus conductor. Despite all police arrangements to capture him - my friend escaped from his room - and later came to me for advice and money - then I was a third year student at Delhi Univ and had left my addresswith his landlord.By that time he had successfuly appeared for job interviews in many sales firms and wanted a career in business - his father being adamant that the son try for a govt job. On the assurance from his family that he be allowed to return to Delhi with meif talks did not work out fine - we went to his home. His angry father was still determined that the son follow his dictates.But seeing that we both were getting up to go back toDelhi his mother assured him and me that if he completes hiscollege they would let him seek a career of his own choice - and if anytime during his stay he felt like leaving for Delhi - he could discuss the matter once again with them - he placed full faith in me - and I was determined to support my friend -even at the cost of offending his family. I was afraid that his father might get me in jail for misleading his son - if he really got angry with me too and became unreasonable. Fortunately, despite some hiccups - he stayed on an completed his college with high marks. Started off as a salesman in Asian Paints in their rural region (to work away from his home) and now is a successful manager based in Lucknow - the former bus conductor now travels by aeroplane to go to official meets - and is ahead of many IIM graduates in his company. Now seeking to go for a MBA degree. I drew the conclusion that if he had not rebelled - his parents would not have relented inletting him pursue his dream career . But if his parents had not been considerate he would have
[Assam] NYTimes.com: American and Israeli Share Nobel Prize in Economics
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Re: [Assam] Intro of 'mikemahant'; PCG and negotiations
Just you wait! mm From:umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To:mc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC:assam@assamnet.orgSubject:Re: [Assam] Intro of 'mikemahant'; PCG and negotiationsDate:Tue, 11 Oct 2005 02:33:57 +0100 (BST) Mukul-da, I think you are not realising that that no parent would let his son or daughterleave the family home -unless they are reasonably certain that there is not other solution- that the aims of the children cannot be met in any other way except by leaving the house. But What are those aims?? Umeshmc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would be interested in knowing what does he plan to do if he were given a free hand in running the affairs of Assam - what steps would he take to improve the situation Just you wait! First let the ULFA and GOI talk like family members wanting to separate. And letthe Karta? agree to let the son go separate. And the separated son sets up a home and starts living with a housewarming party. Will the larger family join and help in the merrymaking or set fire to his new home --that is the question? Reciprocity is the keyword. If India ever wants to be aGREAT nation, shed the NE now . A growing Cancer can pull the host down FAST. And India can still hire me as an Emergency Retriever--after letting Ulfa take Assam away.Serious! mm From:umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To:Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC:Assam@assamnet.orgSubject:Re: [Assam] Intro of 'mikemahant'; PCG and negotiationsDate:Tue, 11 Oct 2005 00:09:36 +0100 (BST) C-da and Mukul-da (Mike), It is heartening to note that Mukul-da is in Assam and helping in its upliftment through technology and business enterprise. C-da had indeed mentioned about his two elder brothers who had graduated from IIT-Kharagpur before him - when I was seeking his support and advice in helping a former female student of minefrom Jaipur School - who ultimately joined the Architecture Division at the said IIT - the same from which C-da graduated. She is now in the second year there and the first female student from Jaipur School in any IIT. It is heartening to note that he has used his expertise in identifying and developing new technologies in various areas - such as affordable housing, de-contamination of water, import substitution etc. I have been replying to his mails in a friendly collegial manner - as if he were a twenty something young man - as is definitely his spirit -visible from his emails. My only query is that he has not specified why he feels that ULFA is right in demanding a separate nation. Ofcourse, in his first email only he had exhorted all members of AssamNet to join ULFA through internet even - so his faith in ULFA is unquestioned. I would be interested in knowing what does he plan to do if he were given a free hand in running the affairs of Assam - what steps would he take to improve the situation. This negotiation between Indian Govt and PCG (on behalf of ULFA) reminds me of a negotiation I had undertaken on behalf of a close friend of mine - with his parents. The Story of a rebellious son: He - then a first year student - and son of a top and honestpolice Officer (then DIG) had run away from his home to Delhi determined to be free from the dictates of his authoritarian father. His father went in the police car to Delhi (alongwith my father) in cold winter of January - where his son was staying in a slum and working as a bus conductor. Despite all police arrangements to capture him - my friend escaped from his room - and later came to me for advice and money - then I was a third year student at Delhi Univ and had left my addresswith his landlord.By that time he had successfuly appeared for job interviews in many sales firms and wanted a career in business - his father being adamant that the son try for a govt job. On the assurance from his family that he be allowed to return to Delhi with meif talks did not work out fine - we went to his home. His angry father was still determined that the son follow his dictates.But seeing that we both were getting up to go back toDelhi his mother assured him and me that if he completes hiscollege they would let him seek a career of his own choice - and if anytime during his stay he felt like leaving for Delhi - he could discuss the matter once again with them - he placed full faith in me - and I was determined to support my friend -even at the cost of offending his family. I was afraid that his father might get me in jail for misleading his son - if he really got angry with me too and became unreasonable. Fortunately, despite some hiccups - he stayed on an completed his college with high marks. Started off as a salesman in Asian Paints in their rural region (to work away from his home) and now is a successful manager based in Lucknow - the former bus conductor now travels by aeroplane
Re: [Assam] Fwd: [Assam Society] Mizo farmer's staple food will bebiodiesel
That's it-look at Tea andAssam. Look at what happened to Ireland.
Japan's Post ww2 constitution banned rice imports "We eat our own rice or peerish"
mm
From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "mc mahant" [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: assam@assamnet.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [Assam] Fwd: [Assam Society] Mizo farmer's staple food will bebiodieselDate: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:43:10 -0500
They all survive out of India's "Peace Dividend".
*** While it might be a cool way to live high on the hog on Mother_India's handouts, it cannot last for ever. In the meantime, what better way neutralize a restive population than to create "states" that produce little, have few resources and thus making them thoroughly dependent on 'mai-baap's" largesse ?
Mono-culture is a great way to rob indigenous peoples' autonomy by making them slaves to markets controlled by others. Imagine the day when Jathropa oil suddenly becomes unattractive and its price plummets? Like the tea that so many rural Assamese took to planting with the big tea houses now paying little for it.
At 9:48 PM +0530 10/10/05, mc mahant wrote:
I visited Mizoram in 1984. Just one Road and row of houses both sides. You could give a letter addressed to any Mizoramian(no stamps needed)to any truck driver heading uphill from Silchar--and you are sure it will be delivered without fail at the correct doorstep.
That is the population density. They all survive out of India's "Peace Dividend". They do live in style. Yet they produce nothing. The land gives nothing. Steep slope. No plains, no water retention at all. Ginger grows. Grapes are growing very well.But dilemma is that their own zealots have banned all drinks-so no winemaking. Assam can consume all thewine they can produce-but nobody teaches the Assamese" Wine Shops"the difference between Beer, Rum ,whiskey and Wine. So no customer demands Wine. So the fine Grape Crop goes waste.
Did I see some Assam Netter wanting a viable investment opportunity in Assam --well this one !
All -Jatrophain Mizoram may bring in some cash for a while. But the people will have no food security for themselves for along time. This is dangerous. I hope they won't be so reckless.
mm
From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: assam@assamnet.orgSubject: [Assam] Fwd: [Assam Society] Mizo farmer's staple food will bebiodieselDate: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:23:36 -0500blockquote, dl, ul, ol, li {padding-top:0;padding-bottom:0;}
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Dear friends ,
Willany community survive if mono culture is introduced and biodiversity is ruptured, where as market will be controlled by others and local farming system which supports the lively hood now will be replaced by JATROPHA,let usthink about Mizoram's tribal community after five years .
Jatropha toxicity is well studied around the world. The referenceliteratures are full of information about its toxic effects. At the websitehttp://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/duke_energy/Jatropha_curcas.html#Toxicity.The website http://www.inchem.org/documents/pims/plant/jcurc.htm
scientific evidences of Jatropha poisoning.
The senior natives of Chhattisgarh are also aware of its harmful effects. They explain its effects in simple words'Ek Beeja Se Pet Saf Hothe, Du Se Au, Teen Se Aspatal aur Char Se Upar' (One seed clears the motion, two results in more, three takes to hospital and four to God).
regards
ravi
Mizoram aims to become largest Jatropha growerAIZAWL, Oct 8 Agriculture Minister H Rammawi has expressed hope that Mizoram can be the largest Jatropha producing state in the country.We will try to make Mizoram the largest Jatropha producing state in India. This is possible with our climate which is perfect for the oil-bearing plant and our large area of arable land.Mizo farmers can use the plant to substitute it for rice grown according to traditional shifting jhum cultivation, the minister told officials of the D1 Oils India (Private) Limited.On invitation from the state Agriculture minister, Steve Doury, a London-based reg! ional director and Surju Singh,
Re: [Assam] Intro of 'mikemahant'; PCG and negotiations
I assume you want to keep it secret till you spring a surprise on the GOI. :) Umeshmc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just you wait! mm From:umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To:mc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC:assam@assamnet.orgSubject:Re: [Assam] Intro of 'mikemahant'; PCG and negotiationsDate:Tue, 11 Oct 2005 02:33:57 +0100 (BST) Mukul-da, I think you are not realising that that no parent would let his son or daughterleave the family home -unless they are reasonably certain that there is not other solution- that the aims of the children cannot be met in any other way except by leaving the house. But What are those aims?? Umeshmc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would be interested in knowing what does he plan to do if he were given a free hand in running the affairs of Assam - what steps would he take to improve the situation Just you wait! First let the ULFA and GOI talk like family members wanting to separate. And letthe Karta? agree to let the son go separate. And the separated son sets up a home and starts living with a housewarming party. Will the larger family join and help in the merrymaking or set fire to his new home --that is the question? Reciprocity is the keyword. If India ever wants to be aGREAT nation, shed the NE now . A growing Cancer can pull the host down FAST. And India can still hire me as an Emergency Retriever--after letting Ulfa take Assam away.Serious! mm From:umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To:Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC:Assam@assamnet.orgSubject:Re: [Assam] Intro of 'mikemahant'; PCG and negotiationsDate:Tue, 11 Oct 2005 00:09:36 +0100 (BST) C-da and Mukul-da (Mike), It is heartening to note that Mukul-da is in Assam and helping in its upliftment through technology and business enterprise. C-da had indeed mentioned about his two elder brothers who had graduated from IIT-Kharagpur before him - when I was seeking his support and advice in helping a former female student of minefrom Jaipur School - who ultimately joined the Architecture Division at the said IIT - the same from which C-da graduated. She is now in the second year there and the first female student from Jaipur School in any IIT. It is heartening to note that he has used his expertise in identifying and developing new technologies in various areas - such as affordable housing, de-contamination of water, import substitution etc. I have been replying to his mails in a friendly collegial manner - as if he were a twenty something young man - as is definitely his spirit -visible from his emails. My only query is that he has not specified why he feels that ULFA is right in demanding a separate nation. Ofcourse, in his first email only he had exhorted all members of AssamNet to join ULFA through internet even - so his faith in ULFA is unquestioned. I would be interested in knowing what does he plan to do if he were given a free hand in running the affairs of Assam - what steps would he take to improve the situation. This negotiation between Indian Govt and PCG (on behalf of ULFA) reminds me of a negotiation I had undertaken on behalf of a close friend of mine - with his parents. The Story of a rebellious son: He - then a first year student - and son of a top and honestpolice Officer (then DIG) had run away from his home to Delhi determined to be free from the dictates of his authoritarian father. His father went in the police car to Delhi (alongwith my father) in cold winter of January - where his son was staying in a slum and working as a bus conductor. Despite all police arrangements to capture him - my friend escaped from his room - and later came to me for advice and money - then I was a third year student at Delhi Univ and had left my addresswith his landlord.By that time he had successfuly appeared for job interviews in many sales firms and wanted a career in business - his father being adamant that the son try for a govt job. On the assurance from his family that he be allowed to return to Delhi with meif talks did not work out fine - we went to his home. His angry father was still determined that the son follow his dictates.But seeing that we both were getting up to go back toDelhi his mother assured him and me that if he completes hiscollege they would let him seek a career of his own choice - and if anytime during his stay he felt like leaving for Delhi - he could discuss the matter once again with them - he placed full faith in me - and I was determined to support my friend -even at the cost of offending his family. I was afraid that his father might get me in jail for misleading his son - if he really got angry with me too and became unreasonable. Fortunately, despite some hiccups - he stayed on an completed his college with high marks. Started off as a salesman in Asian Paints in their rural region (to work
Re: [Assam] Fwd: [Assam Society] Mizo farmer's staple food will bebiodiesel
I wonder why Assamese businessman cannot be expected to start exporting tea directly abroad - just like the MNCs are doing. With foreign returned supporters like you - with contacts everywhere - I think that is a feasable ploy.
Why make wine only for the local NE market - when it can be sold across India and abroad (never mind that even in France there is glut of wine which is now being converted into ethanol to be mixed with petrol)
Australia is successfully exporting lots of agri products - why not Assam?
Umeshmc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That's it-look at Tea andAssam. Look at what happened to Ireland.
Japan's Post ww2 constitution banned rice imports "We eat our own rice or peerish"
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From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "mc mahant" [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: assam@assamnet.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [Assam] Fwd: [Assam Society] Mizo farmer's staple food will bebiodieselDate: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:43:10 -0500
They all survive out of India's "Peace Dividend".
*** While it might be a cool way to live high on the hog on Mother_India's handouts, it cannot last for ever. In the meantime, what better way neutralize a restive population than to create "states" that produce little, have few resources and thus making them thoroughly dependent on 'mai-baap's" largesse ?
Mono-culture is a great way to rob indigenous peoples' autonomy by making them slaves to markets controlled by others. Imagine the day when Jathropa oil suddenly becomes unattractive and its price plummets? Like the tea that so many rural Assamese took to planting with the big tea houses now paying little for it.
At 9:48 PM +0530 10/10/05, mc mahant wrote:
I visited Mizoram in 1984. Just one Road and row of houses both sides. You could give a letter addressed to any Mizoramian(no stamps needed)to any truck driver heading uphill from Silchar--and you are sure it will be delivered without fail at the correct doorstep.
That is the population density. They all survive out of India's "Peace Dividend". They do live in style. Yet they produce nothing. The land gives nothing. Steep slope. No plains, no water retention at all. Ginger grows. Grapes are growing very well.But dilemma is that their own zealots have banned all drinks-so no winemaking. Assam can consume all thewine they can produce-but nobody teaches the Assamese" Wine Shops"the difference between Beer, Rum ,whiskey and Wine. So no customer demands Wine. So the fine Grape Crop goes waste.
Did I see some Assam Netter wanting a viable investment opportunity in Assam --well this one !
All -Jatrophain Mizoram may bring in some cash for a while. But the people will have no food security for themselves for along time. This is dangerous. I hope they won't be so reckless.
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From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: assam@assamnet.orgSubject: [Assam] Fwd: [Assam Society] Mizo farmer's staple food will bebiodieselDate: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:23:36 -0500blockquote, dl, ul, ol, li {padding-top:0;padding-bottom:0;}
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AssamSociety.yahoogroups.comList-Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:00:33 +0100 (BST)Subject: [Assam Society] Mizo farmer's staple food will be biodieselReply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dear friends ,
Willany community survive if mono culture is introduced and biodiversity is ruptured, where as market will be controlled by others and local farming system which supports the lively hood now will be replaced by JATROPHA,let usthink about Mizoram's tribal community after five years .
Jatropha toxicity is well studied around the world. The referenceliteratures are full of information about its toxic effects. At the websitehttp://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/duke_energy/Jatropha_curcas.html#Toxicity.The website http://www.inchem.org/documents/pims/plant/jcurc.htm
scientific evidences of Jatropha poisoning.
The senior natives of Chhattisgarh are also aware of its harmful effects. They explain its effects in simple words'Ek Beeja Se Pet Saf Hothe, Du Se Au, Teen Se Aspatal aur Char Se Upar' (One seed clears the motion, two results in more, three takes to hospital and four to God).
regards
ravi
Mizoram aims to become largest Jatropha growerAIZAWL, Oct 8 Agriculture Minister H Rammawi has expressed hope
Re: [Assam] Fwd: Wrong interpretation
In a message dated 10/10/2005 21:57:51 GMT Daylight Time, BBaruah writes: Bidyut There is no difference between you and me. What I said wason the basis of the Geeta. There Krishna said that he created the Varnas according to an individual's suitability to provide a particular service. I do not have a copy of the Geeta with me now. I myself didn't know about it; Umesh sent it to me on request.Umesh, I am sure, will oblige if requested. The cases cited prove the point. Of course the original idea misfired at the end. Bhuban ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Wrong interpretation
To my observation, Umesh is not knowledgeable on Vedic scriptures, he is like other Assamese that is why he is here :) Varna was not equal to Caste during Vedic age Krishna said in Geeta one gets Varnas according to his/her individual suitability to provide a particular service - this is true (not caste by birth). For example Parashar, Byash and Viswamitra did not have Brahmin parents (Manusamhita talks how they become Brahman). Similarly, Parasuram was not born to Kshyatriya parents. There are differences between Bhuban and me (I do not work in the same discipline like he does meaning I have a different Varna) Bidyut On 10/10/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/10/2005 21:57:51 GMT Daylight Time, BBaruah writes: Bidyut There is no difference between you and me. What I said wason the basis of the Geeta. There Krishna said that he created the Varnas according to an individual's suitability to provide a particular service. I do not have a copy of the Geeta with me now. I myself didn't know about it; Umesh sent it to me on request.Umesh, I am sure, will oblige if requested. The cases cited prove the point. Of course the original idea misfired at the end. BhubanOn 10/9/05, Bidyut Kakati [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bhubon and Maiki: What Geeta talks is not same as Caste today, because caste today is by birth. Geeta did not talk of by birth but by virtue. For example Parashar, Byash and Viswamitra did not have Brahmin parents (Manusamhita talks how they become Brahman). Similarly, Parasuram was not born to Kshyatriya parents. So it was a wrong interpretation to say God created the caste system - if you compare with today's cast system. My two cents :) On 10/9/05, mc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bhubon Kakaideo, YOU REPLY AS A GOOD IMPARTIAL INTELLECTUAL SHOULD DO--ALL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. We are proud to be your fellow Namti children and maybe being taught by the same great Khagen Barboruah. mm From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Assam] Rediff: US lawmakers flay India for human rights abuseDate: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 02:11:04 EDT I think I can attempt to answer Mike's basic questions at least partially. Dalit and Untouchables are not words to be found in the Hindu scriptures. The Geeta, however, mentions that God created the caste system (Varnas) according to an individual's ability to perform a job satisfactorily. It is like a strong man being asked to carry a heavy bundle and a person good at maths being asked to do accountancy. The concept of dignity of labour did not develop in India and the stratification of the society based on one's profession was the result. The learned man was respected while the person cleaning the toilet was looked down upon. Since the sons and daughters continued to do what their parents did, an entire community began either to be worshipped or looked down upon. Today the so-called Dalits have formed powerful organisations and the internet will provide you an wealth of knowledge on the subject. The learned Manu, the Hindu law-giver, has nothing to do with untouchability. He has, however, been much reviled for ill-treating Hindu women. I suppose the poor man was stating the law as it then stood. In Assam the society was grouped on different lines. There were no barbers; in the villages people helped each other. There were no toilet cleaners as people defecated in the open fields. There are people in India who help in the burial process (I forget what they are called, I understand there are many of them in the burning ghats of Benares). In Assam villagers did not require such help. Assamese women made their own clothes; so there were no low-class weavers or tailors in our society. Today of course things are changing. Muslim rulers at first tried to convert the people but it was a formidable task. They gave up. The caste system ultimately survived even during the Mughal rule. It is not that untouchability was completely absent in Assam but its practice was not as bad as in the rest of India. What is worst is the psychosis that the caste system has created in the minds of people. More on that at another opportunity Bhuban ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
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Re: [Assam] Wrong interpretation
Bidyut You have obviously become uncharitable to Umesh. Umesh stated in this very net that his father was engaged in fighting against casteism in India on the basis of support from religious text. He then mentioned the verse and chapter from the Geeta.I checked and found it wrong. I wrote back, he admitted that it was a mistake and gave me the correct reference. Now, I am not in a position to argue whether varna means the same thing as caste. You may feel free to begin an academic argument. I take your point. But would not this amount to an unfruitful pursuit? Bhuban ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] TEST- Please ignore
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