Re: CPU: ASSM vs ENTERPRISE COBOL

2011-04-07 Thread Angel Luis Domínguez
On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 04:14:54 -0400, Gordon G. Hodson gordon.hod...@btopenworld.com wrote: Original posting refers to CSF calls for encryption (processing); such calls generally involve the use of a separate encryption hardware engine/feature which generally has multiple parallel processing

Re: CPU: ASSM vs ENTERPRISE COBOL

2011-04-07 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Thu, 7 Apr 2011 06:53:12 -0400 Angel Luis Domínguez angel_luis_dominguez_mar...@yahoo.es wrote: :On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 04:14:54 -0400, Gordon G. Hodson :gordon.hod...@btopenworld.com wrote: :Original posting refers to CSF calls for encryption (processing); such :calls generally involve the use

Re: CPU: ASSM vs ENTERPRISE COBOL

2011-04-07 Thread Angel Luis Domínguez
On Thu, 7 Apr 2011 14:32:56 +0300, Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com wrote: LE will LOAD the module on the first call and then BALR the later calls. Change your ASM module to LOAD it and BALR as well. Thanks a lot Binyamin for your appointment. I did it and now the results are for

ASM vs HLL (Was: CPU: ASSM vs ENTERPRISE COBOL - SOLVED!)

2011-04-07 Thread Edward Jaffe
On 4/7/2011 9:42 AM, Angel Luis Domínguez wrote: On Thu, 7 Apr 2011 14:32:56 +0300, Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com wrote: LE will LOAD the module on the first call and then BALR the later calls. Change your ASM module to LOAD it and BALR as well. I did it and now the results are

Re: ASM vs HLL (Was: CPU: ASSM vs ENTERPRISE COBOL - SOLVED!)

2011-04-07 Thread Mike Shaw
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Re: ASM vs HLL (Was: CPU: ASSM vs ENTERPRISE COBOL - SOLVED!)

2011-04-07 Thread Sam Siegel
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Edward Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com wrote: On 4/7/2011 9:42 AM, Angel Luis Domínguez wrote: On Thu, 7 Apr 2011 14:32:56 +0300, Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com wrote: LE will LOAD the module on the first call and then BALR the later calls.

Re: ASM vs HLL (Was: CPU: ASSM vs ENTERPRISE COBOL - SOLVED!)

2011-04-07 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Assembler List [mailto:ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 2:21 PM To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Subject: ASM vs HLL (Was: CPU: ASSM vs ENTERPRISE COBOL - SOLVED!) On 4/7/2011 9:42

Re: ASM vs HLL (Was: CPU: ASSM vs ENTERPRISE COBOL - SOLVED!)

2011-04-07 Thread Alex Kodat
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 15:20:41 -0400, Edward Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com wrote: I keep attending IBM presentations that assert the code generated by the C compiler will outperform assembler. Some programmers I respect have asserted the same thing. Every time I look into this I see the

Re: ASM vs HLL (Was: CPU: ASSM vs ENTERPRISE COBOL - SOLVED!)

2011-04-07 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Apr 7, 2011, at 14:02, Alex Kodat wrote: A programmer, on the other hand, even with only a glimmer of knowledge of what the program is doing can usually guess which if block is most likely to be executed so optimize the code for that if block, for example by holding registers and pointers

Re: ASM vs HLL (Was: CPU: ASSM vs ENTERPRISE COBOL - SOLVED!)

2011-04-07 Thread Sam Siegel
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Alex Kodat a...@sirius-software.com wrote: On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 15:20:41 -0400, Edward Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com wrote: I keep attending IBM presentations that assert the code generated by the C compiler will outperform assembler. Some programmers I

Re: ASM vs HLL (Was: CPU: ASSM vs ENTERPRISE COBOL - SOLVED!)

2011-04-07 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Assembler List [mailto:ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Sam Siegel Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 3:41 PM To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Subject: Re: ASM vs HLL (Was: CPU: ASSM vs ENTERPRISE COBOL - SOLVED!) snip It is a

Re: ASM vs HLL (Was: CPU: ASSM vs ENTERPRISE COBOL - SOLVED!)

2011-04-07 Thread Alex Kodat
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 16:45:10 -0400, Sam Siegel s...@pscsi.net wrote: Look at the IPA and Profile directed optimization available to the C/C++ compiler. These features do exactly what you describe. These look pretty cool. I'd say that PDF is closer to being able to get the out of band

Re: ASM vs HLL (Was: CPU: ASSM vs ENTERPRISE COBOL - SOLVED!)

2011-04-07 Thread Tony Harminc
On 7 April 2011 16:02, Alex Kodat a...@sirius-software.com wrote: There are always pieces of information that are extremely useful in optimizing code that are simply not present in the code itself so not possible for a compiler to use in optimization. Some compilers, and more important, some

Re: ASM vs HLL

2011-04-07 Thread john gilmore
HLLs, which I prefer to call statement-level procedural languages (SLPLs) have their uses, particularly for investigational, throwaway routines and report preparation. Much depends upon how an SLPL is taught and used. I write a lot of throwaway PL/I; and when I do I write it much the way I

Re: ASM vs HLL (Was: CPU: ASSM vs ENTERPRISE COBOL - SOLVED!)

2011-04-07 Thread Kirk Talman
IBM Mainframe Assembler List ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU wrote on 04/07/2011 05:49:24 PM: From: Tony Harminc t...@harminc.com But the whole thing stinks - inventing cute tricks to pass implicit knowledge *through* the language to the code generator. It would be much nicer to be able to

Re: ASM vs HLL (Was: CPU: ASSM vs ENTERPRISE COBOL - SOLVED!)

2011-04-07 Thread Kirk Wolf
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 2:47 PM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com wrote: Of course, C programmers, as a general class, are not as good as HLASM programmers in designing and implementing algorithms. (Always beware of an argument that begins with Of course, ...) Is this an assertion

Re: ASM vs HLL (Was: CPU: ASSM vs ENTERPRISE COBOL - SOLVED!)

2011-04-07 Thread William M Klein
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Assembler List [mailto:ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Sam Siegel Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 4:30 PM To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Subject: Re: ASM vs HLL (Was: CPU: ASSM vs ENTERPRISE COBOL - SOLVED!) On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at