Re: [Asterisk-Users] T.38 fax summary

2005-02-28 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Sun, Feb 27, 2005 at 05:32:49PM -0800, Lee Howard wrote: Quite right. I'm sorry to have misled. What happens is this (as an example scenario): The receiver will, for an example, receive the post-page message. The sender expects a response to this. The receiver, however, is required

Re: [Asterisk-Users] T.38 fax summary

2005-02-28 Thread Steve Underwood
Lee Howard wrote: On 2005.02.27 11:28 Jon Gabrielson wrote: You wouldn't happen to know how to do this would you? I currently have a box with both hylafax and asterisk installed. asterisk handles the dedicated voice lines over a t100p and hylafax handles the dedicated fax lines over a 4port serial

Re: [Asterisk-Users] T.38 fax summary

2005-02-28 Thread Steve Underwood
Lee Howard wrote: On 2005.02.27 09:30 Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: On Sun, Feb 27, 2005 at 09:10:48AM -0800, Lee Howard wrote: Fax cannot handle a one-second delay. As Steve mentions in the article, per-spec fax has some timings (particularly silence in direction switching) set at 75 ms +/-

Re: [Asterisk-Users] T.38 fax summary

2005-02-28 Thread Pedro Miguel de Sousa Caria
Hi, my name is Pedro Caria I'm new to this list. I live in Portugal and find myself in the position to talk often to various parts of the world, very often the Telco line has a delay superior to 1s, I also fax in the same conditions, so to my experience faxes do work with delays far superior to

Re: [Asterisk-Users] T.38 fax summary

2005-02-27 Thread Steve Underwood
Hi, Questions keep comming up about this, so I started writing something at http://www.soft-switch.org/foip.html . I think I covered the FAX over VoIP issues fairly completely. T.37 is pretty simple to explain. There is rather more to say about T.38, but at least this is a start. If anyone

Re: [Asterisk-Users] T.38 fax summary

2005-02-27 Thread Rich Adamson
Steve, Excellent summary thus far!!! Will the summary stay on that url for a lengthy period of time, or would it be possible to copy it to the wiki when complete? One item you might add to the T.38 discussion is a relatively short paragraph that describes/relates the current analog fax

Re: [Asterisk-Users] T.38 fax summary

2005-02-27 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Sun, Feb 27, 2005 at 04:14:46PM +0800, Steve Underwood wrote: Questions keep comming up about this, so I started writing something at http://www.soft-switch.org/foip.html . I think I covered the FAX over VoIP issues fairly completely. T.37 is pretty simple to explain. There is rather

Re: [Asterisk-Users] T.38 fax summary

2005-02-27 Thread Lee Howard
Hello Steve. It's an excellent read. In two places you mention that V.34-Fax is 28,800 bps. Actually, V.34-Fax has speeds ranging from 2400 baud to 33600 baud all using V.34. And, while most V.34 connections are going to not probably be more than 28,800 bps, I have seen sustained analog V.34

Re: [Asterisk-Users] T.38 fax summary

2005-02-27 Thread Lee Howard
On 2005.02.27 04:26 Rich Adamson wrote: Back in the olden days, I recall several modem vendors bundling PC fax software with their products. All of those old Win v3.1 apps created a fax file (eg, pdf or otherwise) that could be distributed via email. Well, I don't remember any of them doing PDFs.

Re: [Asterisk-Users] T.38 fax summary

2005-02-27 Thread Lee Howard
On 2005.02.27 08:34 Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: Hi, I read it and found it very enlightening. I do have one question regarding Modems don't like relativity. It says modems need a constant delay; is there a limit to what it can handle. For example, would it be possible to configure a jitterbuffer

Re: [Asterisk-Users] T.38 fax summary

2005-02-27 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Sun, Feb 27, 2005 at 09:10:48AM -0800, Lee Howard wrote: Fax cannot handle a one-second delay. As Steve mentions in the article, per-spec fax has some timings (particularly silence in direction switching) set at 75 ms +/- 20 ms. So if the delay gets much larger than 75 ms, then there's

Re: [Asterisk-Users] T.38 fax summary

2005-02-27 Thread Rich Adamson
Any computer fax application that I know of will write the image to file, modern ones usually use TIFF. HylaFAX, mgetty+sendfax, efax, spandsp, etc. Then you just write the glue to make it deliver that fax image by e-mail. HylaFAX already has that built-in, and just requires some minor

Re: [Asterisk-Users] T.38 fax summary

2005-02-27 Thread Jon Gabrielson
You wouldn't happen to know how to do this would you? I currently have a box with both hylafax and asterisk installed. asterisk handles the dedicated voice lines over a t100p and hylafax handles the dedicated fax lines over a 4port serial card with external modems. It would be really nice if I

Re: [Asterisk-Users] T.38 fax summary

2005-02-27 Thread Lee Howard
On 2005.02.27 09:30 Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: On Sun, Feb 27, 2005 at 09:10:48AM -0800, Lee Howard wrote: Fax cannot handle a one-second delay. As Steve mentions in the article, per-spec fax has some timings (particularly silence in direction switching) set at 75 ms +/- 20 ms. So if the

Re: [Asterisk-Users] T.38 fax summary

2005-02-27 Thread Lee Howard
On 2005.02.27 10:36 Rich Adamson wrote: Is it at all realistic to assume that HylaFax could coexist with Asterisk on one box? Yes, you could have both Asterisk and HylaFAX running on the same box. HylaFAX does not require a lot of resources (CPU, RAM, HDD) for small deployments. I've had

Re: [Asterisk-Users] T.38 fax summary

2005-02-27 Thread Lee Howard
On 2005.02.27 11:28 Jon Gabrielson wrote: You wouldn't happen to know how to do this would you? I currently have a box with both hylafax and asterisk installed. asterisk handles the dedicated voice lines over a t100p and hylafax handles the dedicated fax lines over a 4port serial card with

Re: [Asterisk-Users] T.38 fax summary

2005-02-27 Thread Remco Barende
On Sun, 27 Feb 2005, Lee Howard wrote: On 2005.02.27 11:28 Jon Gabrielson wrote: You wouldn't happen to know how to do this would you? I currently have a box with both hylafax and asterisk installed. asterisk handles the dedicated voice lines over a t100p and hylafax handles the dedicated fax

Re: [Asterisk-Users] T.38 fax summary

2005-02-27 Thread Jon Gabrielson
I have some extra FXS ports on my channel bank that I could plug the modems into, but is asterisk's fax support good enough for a production system? Everything I seem to read seems to state that asterisk fax detection and fax send/receive support is still very unreliable or is this only over

Re: [Asterisk-Users] T.38 fax summary

2005-02-27 Thread Lee Howard
On 2005.02.27 22:20 Jon Gabrielson wrote: I have some extra FXS ports on my channel bank that I could plug the modems into, but is asterisk's fax support good enough for a production system? Everything I seem to read seems to state that asterisk fax detection and fax send/receive support is still

Re: [Asterisk-Users] T.38 fax summary

2005-02-26 Thread Mark Eissler
On Feb 25, 2005, at 11:41 AM, Steve Underwood wrote: Mark, In the time it took to write all that you could probably have read up enough about T.38 to realise you were talking complete rubbish :-) Gee thanks Steve. And your insight has been absolutely beneficial as well. -mark -- Mark Eissler,

[Asterisk-Users] T.38 fax summary

2005-02-25 Thread Rich Adamson
Steve Underwood, Would you mind summarizing where/how T.38 functions, and maybe how it compares to the analog fax environment for the asterisk-users arhives? Seems to be some misunderstanding, and a lot of interest in handling faxes in various forms via asterisk. If some these approaches were

Re: [Asterisk-Users] T.38 fax summary

2005-02-25 Thread Lee Howard
On 2005.02.25 05:53 Rich Adamson wrote: Steve Underwood, Would you mind summarizing where/how T.38 functions, and maybe how it compares to the analog fax environment for the asterisk-users arhives? I don't mean to speak for Steve, so I hope that Steve will still reply if he chooses to, but I like

Re: [Asterisk-Users] T.38 fax summary

2005-02-25 Thread Mark Eissler
On Feb 25, 2005, at 10:20 AM, Lee Howard wrote: In a traditional analog fax you have modulated audio data, that is, the data stream is converted into an audio representation by the transmitter, and the receiver demodulates the audio stream to produce the data stream. A lot of data gets packed

Re: [Asterisk-Users] T.38 fax summary

2005-02-25 Thread Steve Underwood
Mark, In the time it took to write all that you could probably have read up enough about T.38 to realise you were talking complete rubbish :-) Regards, Steve Mark Eissler wrote: On Feb 25, 2005, at 10:20 AM, Lee Howard wrote: In a traditional analog fax you have modulated audio data, that is,