Re: [asterisk-users] Is there real benefits on a SMP machine for Asterisk?

2007-10-16 Thread Drew Gibson
Hi Raul, I think that Bacula is going to cause you many headaches with Asterisk. Backups are (surprise!) I/O intensive and when streaming data from the network to disk or tape it will saturate the available bandwidth. This will cause the I/O wait time on the CPU to run high and effectively

Re: [asterisk-users] Is there real benefits on a SMP machine for Asterisk?

2007-10-16 Thread Stephen Bosch
shadowym wrote: Whatever your many reasons, using that stuff for Asterisk is a waste of money but go crazy if you want! Well, all I can say is, you're clearly not dealing with my clients. They want the phones to work. Always. When they don't work, the clients get very, very angry at me.

Re: [asterisk-users] Is there real benefits on a SMP machine for Asterisk?

2007-10-15 Thread Matthew J. Roth
Raúl Gómez C. wrote: Thinking about my original post, I was reluctant of installing my PBX on a shared system, is a Dell PowerEdge 2950 with 2 Intel Xeon Dual Core CPUs @2GHz (4 totals cores) and 4GB RAM which serves as Domain Controller and File Server (Samba), central backup server

Re: [asterisk-users] Is there real benefits on a SMP machine for Asterisk?

2007-10-15 Thread Philipp Kempgen
Matthew J. Roth wrote: For 35 simultaneous calls, I'd recommend a dedicated server with a 3.0 GHz dual-core CPU, 2 GB of RAM, and fast SCSI disks. In my experience, the FSB can be just as important as processor speed so keep that in mind as you lay out your budget. You should be able to

Re: [asterisk-users] Is there real benefits on a SMP machine for Asterisk?

2007-10-15 Thread shadowym
Message- From: Matthew J. Roth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 8:53 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Is there real benefits on a SMP machine for Asterisk? Raúl Gómez C. wrote: Thinking about my original

Re: [asterisk-users] Is there real benefits on a SMP machine for Asterisk?

2007-10-15 Thread Shaw Terwilliger
shadowym wrote: I hope I am not opening a can of worms here but IMHO there is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON TO USE SCSI anymore! For sure not for this application but most other things too. SATA is mature now, does command queuing, and works well on 2.6 kernels. Oh, there is the issue of cost

Re: [asterisk-users] Is there real benefits on a SMP machine for Asterisk?

2007-10-15 Thread Raúl Gómez C.
Thanks Matthew and every one who had replied to my post! I will install my Sangoma A400D card on my existing server and I will give it a try, since we have the old PBX still working (its planned to be on operation until the end of this year) it will serve as a lab, and if there is much trouble we

Re: [asterisk-users] Is there real benefits on a SMP machine for Asterisk?

2007-10-15 Thread shadowym
: [asterisk-users] Is there real benefits on a SMP machine for Asterisk? shadowym wrote: I hope I am not opening a can of worms here but IMHO there is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON TO USE SCSI anymore! For sure not for this application but most other things too. SATA is mature now, does command queuing

Re: [asterisk-users] Is there real benefits on a SMP machine for Asterisk?

2007-10-13 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Fri, Oct 12, 2007 at 05:29:24PM +0200, Philipp Kempgen wrote: Atis Lezdins wrote: I have 8-core system that has web interface + sql + java + some other stuff running, and at 30 simultenous calls i get loadavg maximum of 3. I wouldn't be too happy about a system with a loadavg of 3.

Re: [asterisk-users] Is there real benefits on a SMP machine for Asterisk?

2007-10-13 Thread Philipp Kempgen
Tzafrir Cohen wrote: The loadavg is the average number of threads[0] ready to run (or running). To me it seems that there are important differences between systems, especially Linux/Unix, as of which of the states in following are counted in: - running (i.e. using the CPU) - runnable (i.e.

Re: [asterisk-users] Is there real benefits on a SMP machine for Asterisk?

2007-10-13 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Sat, Oct 13, 2007 at 03:31:09PM +0200, Philipp Kempgen wrote: Tzafrir Cohen wrote: The loadavg is the average number of threads[0] ready to run (or running). To me it seems that there are important differences between systems, especially Linux/Unix, as of which of the states in

Re: [asterisk-users] Is there real benefits on a SMP machine for Asterisk?

2007-10-13 Thread shadowym
12, 2007 8:44 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Is there real benefits on a SMP machine for Asterisk? On 10/12/07, Philipp Kempgen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wouldn't be too happy about a system with a loadavg of 3. The system he

Re: [asterisk-users] Is there real benefits on a SMP machine for Asterisk?

2007-10-12 Thread Mik Cheez
In 'top', you can always look at what percentage of your CPU is idle. Subtract that from 100 and you've got your load average. Cpu(s): 1.1% us, 0.6% sy, 0.0% ni, *98.1% id*, 0.1% wa, 0.1% hi, 0.0% si Erik Anderson wrote: On 10/12/07, Philipp Kempgen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't

Re: [asterisk-users] Is there real benefits on a SMP machine for Asterisk?

2007-10-12 Thread Mojo with Horan Company, LLC
Steve Totaro wrote: I don't think that is correct. I am running worldcommunitygrid and this is what I get top - 13:18:56 up 3 days, 22:49, 1 user, load average: 4.00, 4.04, 4.02 Cpu0:0.0%us,0.7%sy,99.3%ni,0.0%id,0.0%wa,0.0%hi,0.0%si,0.0%st

Re: [asterisk-users] Is there real benefits on a SMP machine for Asterisk?

2007-10-12 Thread Steve Totaro
I don't think that is correct. I am running worldcommunitygrid and this is what I get top - 13:18:56 up 3 days, 22:49, 1 user, load average: 4.00, 4.04, 4.02 Cpu0:0.0%us,0.7%sy,99.3%ni,0.0%id,0.0%wa,0.0%hi,0.0%si,0.0%st Cpu1:0.0%us,0.0%sy,100.0%ni,0.0%id,0.0%wa,0.0%hi,0.0%si,0.0%st

Re: [asterisk-users] Is there real benefits on a SMP machine for Asterisk?

2007-10-12 Thread Erik Anderson
On 10/12/07, Philipp Kempgen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think there is a formula like cpu usage = loadavg / #cpus A loadavg of 3 says that there are 3 processes waiting to be executed. Anyway, I'll admit that a loadavg of 3 /might/ be ok. Here's a quote from this page:

Re: [asterisk-users] Is there real benefits on a SMP machine for Asterisk?

2007-10-12 Thread Philipp Kempgen
Erik Anderson wrote: On 10/12/07, Philipp Kempgen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wouldn't be too happy about a system with a loadavg of 3. The system he mentioned had 8 cores, though. So a load average of 3 is less than 50% usage. I don't think there is a formula like cpu usage = loadavg /

Re: [asterisk-users] Is there real benefits on a SMP machine for Asterisk?

2007-10-12 Thread Gordon Henderson
On Fri, 12 Oct 2007, Tilghman Lesher wrote: On Friday 12 October 2007 10:29:24 Philipp Kempgen wrote: Atis Lezdins wrote: I have 8-core system that has web interface + sql + java + some other stuff running, and at 30 simultenous calls i get loadavg maximum of 3. I wouldn't be too happy

Re: [asterisk-users] Is there real benefits on a SMP machine for Asterisk?

2007-10-12 Thread Philipp Kempgen
Atis Lezdins wrote: I have 8-core system that has web interface + sql + java + some other stuff running, and at 30 simultenous calls i get loadavg maximum of 3. I wouldn't be too happy about a system with a loadavg of 3. Regards, Philipp Kempgen -- amooma GmbH - Bachstr. 126 - 56566

Re: [asterisk-users] Is there real benefits on a SMP machine for Asterisk?

2007-10-12 Thread Tilghman Lesher
On Friday 12 October 2007 11:10:02 Gordon Henderson wrote: On Fri, 12 Oct 2007, Tilghman Lesher wrote: On Friday 12 October 2007 10:29:24 Philipp Kempgen wrote: Atis Lezdins wrote: I have 8-core system that has web interface + sql + java + some other stuff running, and at 30 simultenous

Re: [asterisk-users] Is there real benefits on a SMP machine for Asterisk?

2007-10-12 Thread Tilghman Lesher
On Friday 12 October 2007 10:29:24 Philipp Kempgen wrote: Atis Lezdins wrote: I have 8-core system that has web interface + sql + java + some other stuff running, and at 30 simultenous calls i get loadavg maximum of 3. I wouldn't be too happy about a system with a loadavg of 3. I dunno, 3

Re: [asterisk-users] Is there real benefits on a SMP machine for Asterisk?

2007-10-12 Thread Raúl Gómez C.
Well, this has become a hot topic! :p Thinking about my original post, I was reluctant of installing my PBX on a shared system, is a Dell PowerEdge 2950 with 2 Intel Xeon Dual Core CPUs @2GHz (4 totals cores) and 4GB RAM which serves as Domain Controller and File Server (Samba), central backup

Re: [asterisk-users] Is there real benefits on a SMP machine for Asterisk?

2007-10-12 Thread Mik Cheez
Sorry...I should have been more specific in my original reply. In 'top', you can always look at what percentage of your CPU is idle. Subtract that from 100 and you've got your load average. I should have said you get your average load percentage, rather than just average load. Mik Cheez

Re: [asterisk-users] Is there real benefits on a SMP machine for Asterisk?

2007-10-12 Thread Mik Cheez
Actually, that looks right...look at your load average... Steve Totaro wrote: I don't think that is correct. I am running worldcommunitygrid and this is what I get top - 13:18:56 up 3 days, 22:49, 1 user, load average: 4.00, 4.04, 4.02

Re: [asterisk-users] Is there real benefits on a SMP machine for Asterisk?

2007-10-12 Thread Erik Anderson
On 10/12/07, Philipp Kempgen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wouldn't be too happy about a system with a loadavg of 3. The system he mentioned had 8 cores, though. So a load average of 3 is less than 50% usage. -erik ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation

Re: [asterisk-users] Is there real benefits on a SMP machine for Asterisk?

2007-10-12 Thread Philipp Kempgen
Raúl Gómez C. wrote: Thinking about my original post, I was reluctant of installing my PBX on a shared system, is a Dell PowerEdge 2950 with 2 Intel Xeon Dual Core CPUs @2GHz (4 totals cores) and 4GB RAM which serves as Domain Controller and File Server (Samba), central backup server (Bacula

[asterisk-users] Is there real benefits on a SMP machine for Asterisk?

2007-10-11 Thread Raúl Gómez C.
Hi list, I'm now considering to buy a new server for an Asterisk installation, since I've been kindly advisedhttp://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/2007-October/198146.htmlnot to use an old server for a mission critical app... Well, playing around in Dell's, HP's and IBM's online

Re: [asterisk-users] Is there real benefits on a SMP machine for Asterisk?

2007-10-11 Thread Atis Lezdins
At this point I was wondering if Asterisk gets real benefits on systems with several cores (up to 8 in Dell PE2950) for a system that will handle up to 35 simultaneous SIP call with 10 FXO ports and 2 FXS for analog phones/fax (Sangoma A400D PCI card). I suppose that yes. Asterisk uses

Re: [asterisk-users] Is there real benefits on a SMP machine for Asterisk?

2007-10-11 Thread Erik Anderson
On 10/11/07, Raúl Gómez C. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At this point I was wondering if Asterisk gets real benefits on systems with several cores (up to 8 in Dell PE2950) for a system that will handle up to 35 simultaneous SIP call with 10 FXO ports and 2 FXS for analog phones/fax (Sangoma

Re: [asterisk-users] Is there real benefits on a SMP machine for Asterisk?

2007-10-11 Thread Matthew J. Roth
Erik Anderson wrote: For this load level (even with high-load transcoding), a multi-core machine certainly would not be needed. That said, it certainly wouldn't hurt anything to add on extra cores, especially if they're free ;-) Raul, The points concerning overall load are valid, but I agree

Re: [asterisk-users] Is there real benefits on a SMP machine for Asterisk?

2007-10-11 Thread Raúl Gómez C.
Hi Gerald, Well we have 2 APC UPSes in the server room, so each power supply will be connected to one UPS, and the UPSes are connected to (a transfer system of) an auxiliary power generator that start in less than a minute after a blackout. The server will have RAID5, of SAS disc But thanks for